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If this part of the lawsuit claim is true, then PF Chang's is in trouble: "Phillips' suit claimed surcharges for gluten-free items were added to items that were naturally gluten free."

But otherwise, seems like a shakedown. The issue really isn't discrimination against those with a certain disease, as many consumers avoid gluten for reasons other than a diagnosed medical condition. There's no way for the restaurant to know if a customer has a diagnosed condition or is making a choice about their food for other reasons, and often the gluten-free grain products are more expensive to purchase, so a surcharge makes sense.
 
Gluten is like Bluetooth: nobody really knows what the fukc it is how it fukcing works.

My grandparents didn't know $hit about gluten and they all lived past their 80's.
 
If I can make peace with paying extra for soy milk at coffee places without it being a choice I made (allergies), then the gluten-free people can find it within themselves to take a wheat-free chill pill.
 
I'm going to sue every restaurant that charges me to swap fries for veggies.

THEY ARE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST CLEANABLED EATERS.
 
If this part of the lawsuit claim is true, then PF Chang's is in trouble: "Phillips' suit claimed surcharges for gluten-free items were added to items that were naturally gluten free."

But otherwise, seems like a shakedown. The issue really isn't discrimination against those with a certain disease, as many consumers avoid gluten for reasons other than a diagnosed medical condition. There's no way for the restaurant to know if a customer has a diagnosed condition or is making a choice about their food for other reasons, and often the gluten-free grain products are more expensive to purchase, so a surcharge makes sense.
Even in the case of things that are "naturally gluten free" there could be extra overhead to ensure that all the equipment used and raw ingredients are completely gluten free. If the owners want to pass that on to the consumer, so be it. If the consumer doesn't want to pay it, they can find some place else to each.
 
Even in the case of things that are "naturally gluten free" there could be extra overhead to ensure that all the equipment used and raw ingredients are completely gluten free. If the owners want to pass that on to the consumer, so be it. If the consumer doesn't want to pay it, they can find some place else to each.
DING DING DING
We have a winner.
 
If I can make peace with paying extra for soy milk at coffee places without it being a choice I made (allergies), then the gluten-free people can find it within themselves to take a wheat-free chill pill.

I'm with LMK on this. I have to pay extra for soy milk and fake cheeze. As long as the info is up front (I.e. Menu) and not slipped onto the bill, what's the problem?
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0.75% ruining things for the rest of us. I wish the gluten nut jobs would just choke on a bagel already.

Anyone with Celiac Disease (.75% of the population) is NOT a "gluten nut job". Would you call someone with diabetes a "sugar nut job"? Because that's basically what you are doing.

Celiac Disease is a serious medical condition and one which changes many aspects of life. Just watching the sad look on my 6 year old daughter's face at birthday parties when everyone else is chowing down on pizza and cake is enough to make a grown man cry (and believe me... it has).
 
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Even in the case of things that are "naturally gluten free" there could be extra overhead to ensure that all the equipment used and raw ingredients are completely gluten free. If the owners want to pass that on to the consumer, so be it. If the consumer doesn't want to pay it, they can find some place else to each.

Should toll gates also be added to handicap ramps to defray the extra costs for businesses to comply with ADA requirements for those in wheelchairs?
 
Anyone with Celiac Disease (.75% of the population) is NOT a "gluten nut job". Would you call someone with diabetes a "sugar nut job"? Because that's basically what you are doing.

Celiac Disease is a serious medical condition and one which changes many aspects of life. Just watching the sad look on my 6 year old daughter's face at birthday parties when everyone else is chowing down on pizza and cake is enough to make a grown man cry (and believe me... it has).
My comments, although not depicted, are separate. And, the first point was an obvious joke/troll - didn't think I needed the asterisk. I have two family members who have CD and I feel for them just as you do with your daughter. My comment about the gluten nut jobs was directed at folks such as this:

 
Isn't there an Orlando restaurant that assesses a surcharge if they think the diners are European?
 
People with allergies just need to stop going to restaurants. Problem = solved.
 
Anyone with Celiac Disease (.75% of the population) is NOT a "gluten nut job". Would you call someone with diabetes a "sugar nut job"? Because that's basically what you are doing.

Celiac Disease is a serious medical condition and one which changes many aspects of life. Just watching the sad look on my 6 year old daughter's face at birthday parties when everyone else is chowing down on pizza and cake is enough to make a grown man cry (and believe me... it has).

I don't think anyone is doubting that there are people who seriously can't come in contact with gluten. I think the people who see the trend happening and assume it's the healthier new diet to have but then complain when it costs extra to have gluten-free items or items that are verified to not be cross-contaminated that we are complaining about.

I have severe, life-threatening allergies and I totally understand that it costs extra to make non-dairy versions of meals, and soy is extra, and that making sure a facility/restaurant/whatever is absolutely not being contaminated costs extra in labor, education, products, etc. Yes, it's not MY fault that I have these allergies, but it's my lot in life and I've accepted that a latte is going to be extra for me. And I'm happy to pay more for a meal at Ethos, where I know I don't have to stress out before taking the first bite, than at a random restaurant where there's always a slight chance I'll end up in the hospital, or worse.

And if you want to talk said kids at birthday parties- I grew up never having a birthday cake, and watching other kids have ice cream and pizza and cake at my birthdays (because duh you have to feed your friends what they expect when you're a kid) and my mom would either have a bowl of grapes or baby carrots or a Hydrox cookie (the pre-oreo that was naturally vegan) and stick a candle in that for me to blow out on my birthdays. I would just advise instead of getting defensive try to educate us more about the disease.
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My comments, although not depicted, are separate. And, the first point was an obvious joke/troll - didn't think I needed the asterisk. I have two family members who have CD and I feel for them just as you do with your daughter. My comment about the gluten nut jobs was directed at folks such as this

Like you said... you didn't depict your comments as separate and the "joke" was apparently not as obvious as you thought.
 
I don't think anyone is doubting that there are people who seriously can't come in contact with gluten. I think the people who see the trend happening and assume it's the healthier new diet to have but then complain when it costs extra to have gluten-free items or items that are verified to not be cross-contaminated that we are complaining about.

I have severe, life-threatening allergies and I totally understand that it costs extra to make non-dairy versions of meals, and soy is extra, and that making sure a facility/restaurant/whatever is absolutely not being contaminated costs extra in labor, education, products, etc. Yes, it's not MY fault that I have these allergies, but it's my lot in life and I've accepted that a latte is going to be extra for me. And I'm happy to pay more for a meal at Ethos, where I know I don't have to stress out before taking the first bite, than at a random restaurant where there's always a slight chance I'll end up in the hospital, or worse.

And if you want to talk said kids at birthday parties- I grew up never having a birthday cake, and watching other kids have ice cream and pizza and cake at my birthdays (because duh you have to feed your friends what they expect when you're a kid) and my mom would either have a bowl of grapes or baby carrots or a Hydrox cookie (the pre-oreo that was naturally vegan) and stick a candle in that for me to blow out on my birthdays. I would just advise instead of getting defensive try to educate us more about the disease.
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I'm sure glad one of you has a brain - kudos LMK.
 
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I don't think anyone is doubting that there are people who seriously can't come in contact with gluten. I think the people who see the trend happening and assume it's the healthier new diet to have but then complain when it costs extra to have gluten-free items or items that are verified to not be cross-contaminated that we are complaining about.

But is that what you are complaining about? The woman who is suing has Celiac Disease from what I understand.

I have severe, life-threatening allergies and I totally understand that it costs extra to make non-dairy versions of meals, and soy is extra, and that making sure a facility/restaurant/whatever is absolutely not being contaminated costs extra in labor, education, products, etc. Yes, it's not MY fault that I have these allergies, but it's my lot in life and I've accepted that a latte is going to be extra for me. And I'm happy to pay more for a meal at Ethos, where I know I don't have to stress out before taking the first bite, than at a random restaurant where there's always a slight chance I'll end up in the hospital, or worse.

I have no problem with a restaurant or store charging more for gluten free items which are different than regular ones. Believe me, my grocery bill is probably 50% more than someone without Celiac Disease as I get such joys as spending $5 for 6 oz of cookies instead of $3 for a pound of comparable gluten containing regular ones.

I do have a problem with a store charging more for the exact same item as PF Changs is doing. Cheetos are gluten free. If Frito Lay charged $5 per bag for ones which say "Gluten Free" and $3 per bag for the exact same Cheetos which didn't say "Gluten Free", I'd have a problem with that. They don't do that, of course, and all Cheetos have the "Gluten Free" claim on them and cost the same as they did before Frito Lay certified them as a gluten free product.

I have no problem with Red Robin charging me $1 extra for a gluten free bun made with gluten free grains because they cost more to procure. As they should, they don't charge me extra to cook my fries separately in a fryer that hasn't cooked gluten containing items and for them to not put seasoning on them. If they charged extra for such fries, I'd have a problem.

I have no problem with Walt Disney World charging me $10.99 for a gluten free pizza because it costs more for them to buy the shell which is made with potato, tapioca, and rice than it costs for the regular shells made from wheat which they charge $8 for. I wouldn't have a problem with them charging extra for a gluten free bun on a burger because it costs them extra (they don't, thankfully). As they should, they don't charge extra for fries cooked in an allergen free fryer. If they charged extra for such fries, I'd have a problem.

PF Changs is charging extra to cook with the same ingredients in a separate pan. That's what the lawsuit is about. If they have dishes which costs more to make because they have to use different ingredients to make them gluten free, that's perfectly fine. But they shouldn't charge more to cook items which are naturally gluten free using the same exact ingredients they use on their regular menu. We can argue if a lawsuit is the right way to go about fighting this, but I've chosen to speak with my dollars and do not frequent PF Changs.

And if you want to talk said kids at birthday parties- I grew up never having a birthday cake, and watching other kids have ice cream and pizza and cake at my birthdays (because duh you have to feed your friends what they expect when you're a kid) and my mom would either have a bowl of grapes or baby carrots or a Hydrox cookie (the pre-oreo that was naturally vegan) and stick a candle in that for me to blow out on my birthdays. I would just advise instead of getting defensive try to educate us more about the disease.
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I'm sorry your mother didn't love you enough to bake you a vegan birthday cake.
 
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But is that what you are complaining about? The woman who is suing has Celiac Disease from what I understand.



I have no problem with a restaurant or store charging more for gluten free items which are different than regular ones. Believe me, my grocery bill is probably 50% more than someone without Celiac Disease as I get such joys as spending $5 for 6 oz of cookies instead of $3 for a pound of comparable gluten containing regular ones.

I do have a problem with a store charging more for the exact same item as PF Changs is doing. Cheetos are gluten free. If Frito Lay charged $5 per bag for ones which say "Gluten Free" and $3 per bag for the exact same Cheetos which didn't say "Gluten Free", I'd have a problem with that. They don't do that, of course, and all Cheetos have the "Gluten Free" claim on them and cost the same as they did before Frito Lay certified them as a gluten free product.

They have every right to do this. If they have to go through the trouble to rebrand and remarket their products because idiots with no gluten allergy what so-ever tell people not to but Cheetos because of gluten. Any jack-ass can read ingredients on a package and know the difference. If someone is willing to pay extra because the packaging says gluten free that's their own problem. It's simple Darwin'ism, IMO.
 
But is that what you are complaining about? The woman who is suing has Celiac Disease from what I understand.



I have no problem with a restaurant or store charging more for gluten free items which are different than regular ones. Believe me, my grocery bill is probably 50% more than someone without Celiac Disease as I get such joys as spending $5 for 6 oz of cookies instead of $3 for a pound of comparable gluten containing regular ones.

I do have a problem with a store charging more for the exact same item as PF Changs is doing. Cheetos are gluten free. If Frito Lay charged $5 per bag for ones which say "Gluten Free" and $3 per bag for the exact same Cheetos which didn't say "Gluten Free", I'd have a problem with that. They don't do that, of course, and all Cheetos have the "Gluten Free" claim on them and cost the same as they did before Frito Lay certified them as a gluten free product.

I have no problem with Red Robin charging me $1 extra for a gluten free bun made with gluten free grains because they cost more to procure. As they should, they don't charge me extra to cook my fries separately in a fryer that hasn't cooked gluten containing items and for them to not put seasoning on them. If they charged extra for such fries, I'd have a problem.

I have no problem with Walt Disney World charging me $10.99 for a gluten free pizza because it costs more for them to buy the shell which is made with potato, tapioca, and rice than it costs for the regular shells made from wheat which they charge $8 for. I wouldn't have a problem with them charging extra for a gluten free bun on a burger because it costs them extra (they don't, thankfully). As they should, they don't charge extra for fries cooked in an allergen free fryer. If they charged extra for such fries, I'd have a problem.

PF Changs is charging extra to cook with the same ingredients in a separate pan. That's what the lawsuit is about. If they have dishes which costs more to make because they have to use different ingredients to make them gluten free, that's perfectly fine. But they shouldn't charge more to cook items which are naturally gluten free using the same exact ingredients they use on their regular menu. We can argue if a lawsuit is the right way to go about fighting this, but I've chosen to speak with my dollars and do not frequent PF Changs.



I'm sorry your mother didn't love you enough to bake you a vegan birthday cake.

Oh for crying out loud, people complain about measures taken to prevent allergies all the time. Yes, it sucks that since gluten-free is the diet du jour, companies in this capitalist society are banking on it. That being said, it also sucks that when I go to a restaurant and I order the same dish as my husband but "vegetarian" (which usually amounts to them taking the meat out and putting a few more cheap veggies in), and it costs the same. Or when any baked good labeled vegan costs significantly more, even if there was no cost different in ingredients and labor. But hey- if we keep buying it at the higher prices, they will just keep charging them because why would a company want to make less because "it's not fair"?

I think you not being able to take a lighthearted ribbing is going to cause more people to reply to this thread poking even more fun. There are a lot of injustices in the world. And sometimes it's fun to just laugh at both sides. Chillax.

And vegan cakes were shit in the 80's, so my parents loved me enough to not make me eat that crap and just stick with being the weirdo with a bowl of fruit covered in melted candle wax.
 
And if she successfully sued (I honestly don't care enough to read the article), then holy crap I'm suing for free soy milk and I demand a back payment from Starbucks for the years of $0.60-per-drink more I paid.
Imma make it rain dairy-free options up in this bitch.
 
And if she successfully sued (I honestly don't care enough to read the article), then holy crap I'm suing for free soy milk and I demand a back payment from Starbucks for the years of $0.60-per-drink more I paid.
Imma make it rain dairy-free options up in this bitch.

But substituting soy milk for regular milk is an ingredient change. You would be owed nothing.
 
They have every right to do this. If they have to go through the trouble to rebrand and remarket their products because idiots with no gluten allergy what so-ever tell people not to but Cheetos because of gluten. Any jack-ass can read ingredients on a package and know the difference. If someone is willing to pay extra because the packaging says gluten free that's their own problem. It's simple Darwin'ism, IMO.

And that's the crux of the problem. For someone with Celiac Disease it isn't as simple as being a "jack-ass" who can read an ingredient list to know the difference. The ingredients for Cheetos are completely gluten free but if they were fried in oil that had previously been used to fry a product which contains barley (for example), that fact is not required to be stated on the product label. If someone with Celiac Disease were to then eat that item, their body's immune system would kick into action to attack itself. Without the "gluten free" claim there is no way for a consumer to know, just by looking at the ingredient list, if it is safe.
 
And that's the crux of the problem. For someone with Celiac Disease it isn't as simple as being a "jack-ass" who can read an ingredient list to know the difference. The ingredients for Cheetos are completely gluten free but if they were fried in oil that had previously been used to fry a product which contains barley (for example), that fact is not required to be stated on the product label. If someone with Celiac Disease were to then eat that item, their body's immune system would kick into action to attack itself. Without the "gluten free" claim there is no way for a consumer to know, just by looking at the ingredient list, if it is safe.

Good to know - thanks for the free education. So i seems to me you just solved your own conundrum. You MUST pay extra to KNOW something is gluten free. When you order that meal "Gluten free" you expect a 100% guarantee there is no Gluten, so extra precautions must be taken to ensure your health. It's the way the world works. This greedy woman deserve nothing except a "you're welcome" from PF Changs for ensuring her meal was Gluten Free.

Dumb bitch.*
 
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Good to know - thanks for the free education. So i seems to me you just solved your own conundrum. You MUST pay extra to KNOW something is gluten free. When you order that meal "Gluten free" you expect a 100% guarantee there is no Gluten, so extra precautions must be taken to ensure your health. It's the way the world works. This greedy woman deserve nothing except a "you're welcome" from PF Changs for ensuring her meal was Gluten Free.

Dumb bitch.*
So (Knight of Pegasus) they have to charge you extra because they need to have a special fryer just for the gluten free fries. Same for the knives, plates, etc. They have to make sure it is really gluten free.

The only reason to sue would be if you order a more expensive gluten free dish and you get sick from gluten.
 
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