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imagine coming to a political subforum on a College Football message board looking for "classy" banter
Truthfully, there’s been more interesting back-and-forth discussions here than I would have thought when I started posting.

The fun thing (IMHO) about a fan football board with a political forum is having a heated discussion about something political with a guy in the political forum and then turning around and agreeing with the same guy on his comments about the QB’s play in the last game and enthusiastically defending them against the naysayers (and vise versa).

Granted, that’s not how everybody operates. For some folks, once you’re on the opposite side of any political discussion, you’re branded for life.

But the cold, hard truth for some folks to swallow is that, regardless of our politics, we all have more in common than we have differences.
 
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Truthfully, there’s been more interesting back-and-forth discussions here than I would have thought when I started posting.

The fun thing (IMHO) about a fan football board with a political forum is having an heated discussion about something political with a guy in the political forum and then turning around and agreeing with the same guy on his comments about the QB’s play in the last game and enthusiastically defending them against the naysayers (and vise versa).

Granted, that’s not how everybody operates. For some folks, once you’re on the opposite side of any political discussion, you’re branded for life.

But the cold, hard truth for some folks to swallow is that, regardless of our politics, we all have more in common than we have differences.

Very true
 
Truthfully, there’s been more interesting back-and-forth discussions here than I would have thought when I started posting.

The fun thing (IMHO) about a fan football board with a political forum is having a heated discussion about something political with a guy in the political forum and then turning around and agreeing with the same guy on his comments about the QB’s play in the last game and enthusiastically defending them against the naysayers (and vise versa).

Granted, that’s not how everybody operates. For some folks, once you’re on the opposite side of any political discussion, you’re branded for life.

But the cold, hard truth for some folks to swallow is that, regardless of our politics, we all have more in common than we have differences.
Funny you mention that. I trash Knight Classes here and we actually have very civilized discussions on the UCF football board.

Additionally, I’m often fighting with Nebraska fans and everyone knows most of Nebraska is Republican, so we generally see eye to eye here

I’ve actually been called a USF fan by liberals on here. That hurts! Read my damn avatar. Lol
 
Funny you mention that. I trash Knight Classes here and we actually have very civilized discussions on the UCF football board.

Additionally, I’m often fighting with Nebraska fans and everyone knows most of Nebraska is Republican, so we generally see eye to eye here

I’ve actually been called a USF fan by liberals on here. That hurts! Read my damn avatar. Lol
Well, in fairness you're pretty much nothing more than a shit-tier poster and nobody loves you. But I'm glad you're here......until the next time you criticize Nebraska and then I swear I will pray that you die a horrible painful death. Its all good.
 
Well, in fairness you're pretty much nothing more than a shit-tier poster and nobody loves you. But I'm glad you're here......until the next time you criticize Nebraska and then I swear I will pray that you die a horrible painful death. Its all good.
some are still too pissy about Frost leaving to realize that he's about to start something special at Nebraska.

there's a strong possibility he's a mix of Chip Kelly and Urban Meyer.
this is the time to jump on the bandwagon
 
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some are still too pissy about Frost leaving to realize that he's about to start something special at Nebraska.

there's a strong possibility he's a mix of Chip Kelly and Urban Meyer.
this is the time to jump on the bandwagon
Honestly, I’ll believe it when I see it. Right now, factually, he’s coming off a 4-8 season with a very favorable 2019 schedule. You’re going to have to pray that Martinez stays healthy, because the backups aren’t great.

Additionally, what is something special? The CFP? A National Championship? I don’t think fans will ultimately be happy with just 9-10 win seasons. Just my outside opinion
 
Honestly, I’ll believe it when I see it. Right now, factually, he’s coming off a 4-8 season with a very favorable 2019 schedule. You’re going to have to pray that Martinez stays healthy, because the backups aren’t great.

Additionally, what is something special? The CFP? A National Championship? I don’t think fans will ultimately be happy with just 9-10 win seasons. Just my outside opinion

Right now, fans would be thrilled to get a couple of 10 win seasons. After that, he needs to bring home a conference title fairly regularly and be in the CFP picture. We don't expect the 90s and realize it took osborne 20+ years to win a national title. As long as he beats the teams he is supposed to beat and doesnt get blown out every time he faces a really good team then he's got all the time he wants.

Also, we havent seen him in game action yet, but martinez's backup will be Luke McCaffery, who is probably ahead of where Martinez was at this point. He's Christian's brother, and I can say with certainty that Luke is the faster of the 2. IMO, the biggest question about this years team is still Chinander who hasnt exactly impressed me. I get what he's trying to do but I just question whether or not his system is a good fit for the B1G.
 
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Honestly, I’ll believe it when I see it. Right now, factually, he’s coming off a 4-8 season
I could have sworn that, factually, Frosty came off a losing season in Year One with the Knights too.

Additionally, what is something special? The CFP? A National Championship? I don’t think fans will ultimately be happy with just 9-10 win seasons. Just my outside opinion
Nebraska is about winning championships. But Husker fans will be patient knowing we've got the right guy in charge.

That said, with this year's schedule, a "UCF 2017-like" run for Nebraska isn't outside the realm of possibility.
IMO, the biggest question about this years team is still Chinander who hasnt exactly impressed me. I get what he's trying to do but I just question whether or not his system is a good fit for the B1G.
IMO, chinander and the Blackshirts are going to surprise folks this season.
 
I could have sworn that, factually, Frosty came off a losing season in Year One with the Knights too.

Nebraska is about winning championships. But Husker fans will be patient knowing we've got the right guy in charge.

That said, with this year's schedule, a "UCF 2017-like" run for Nebraska isn't outside the realm of possibility.
IMO, chinander and the Blackshirts are going to surprise folks this season.
Chinander is dead weight. The only surprise that you’re going to get with him will be disappointment. The offense had better be hitting on all cylinders in the big games or you’re going to have issues. Otherwise, you’re going to live and die on turnovers.
 
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Chinander is dead weight. The only surprise that you’re going to get with him will be disappointment. The offense had better be hitting on all cylinders in the big games or you’re going to have issues. Otherwise, you’re going to live and die on turnovers.

Harsh words for a DC who helped give you an undefeated season a season ago. It's easier to have newbie jump in and make plays on offense than it is to play lights out defense. Any DC is going to be challenged running a defense for offensive-minded coaches like Frost and Heubel. But I like Chins and believe he's going to have a good D this season.
 
Honestly, I’ll believe it when I see it. Right now, factually, he’s coming off a 4-8 season with a very favorable 2019 schedule. You’re going to have to pray that Martinez stays healthy, because the backups aren’t great.

Additionally, what is something special? The CFP? A National Championship? I don’t think fans will ultimately be happy with just 9-10 win seasons. Just my outside opinion

Yknow, I honestly think the majority of Nebraska fans would be happy with success similar to Wisconsin; 9-10 win seasons, always competitive, and an occasional Big 10 Championship.

Theres a notion that firing Pelini meant that 9 wins wasnt good enough. I dont think most people saw how bad the losses were. Nebraska was getting killed worse than the FCS schools Alabama plays.
 
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That said, with this year's schedule, a "UCF 2017-like" run for Nebraska isn't outside the realm of possibility.
So.. to clarify things, you’re saying that an undefeated season isn’t out of the realm of possibility?
 
Harsh words for a DC who helped give you an undefeated season a season ago.
That’s not telling the whole story. He was horrible vs USF and in the CCG. He wasn’t exactly stellar vs bottom feeder UConn and FCS Austin Peay. You had to be there. Remember, he had a few pre-NFL guys on that team.
 
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Yknow, I honestly think the majority of Nebraska fans would be happy with success similar to Wisconsin; 9-10 win seasons, always competitive, and an occasional Big 10 Championship.

Theres a notion that firing Pelini meant that 9 wins wasnt good enough. I dont think most people saw how bad the losses were. Nebraska was getting killed worse than the FCS schools Alabama plays.
I said from day one. Frost will be considered successful IMO if he goes to the CCG. He doesn’t even have to win it.
 
So.. to clarify things, you’re saying that an undefeated season isn’t out of the realm of possibility?

As crazy as it sounds, i actually do believe that nebraska could have an undefeated regular season. The schedule is really favorable. Its not going to happen, but its possible.
 
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As crazy as it sounds, i actually do believe that nebraska could have an undefeated regular season. The schedule is really favorable. Its not going to happen, but its possible.
It’s the most favorable schedule that Nebraska could possibly have with at least one or two of the toughest conference opponents being at home or not on the schedule
 
That’s not telling the whole story. He was horrible vs USF and in the CCG. He wasn’t exactly stellar vs bottom feeder UConn and FCS Austin Peay. You had to be there.
I followed every game. He took an obscure safety, Shaqem Griffen, and made him a star while bringing in a difference-making CB and molding the squad into a unit that could be counted on when the game was on the line.

It’s true that they got tired at the end of a long season and it showed those last two games of the season against two great offenses. It may not have looked pretty, but nevertheless, they did it. Then they showed what they were made of when they faced off against SEC powerhouse, Auburn, who — as I recall from the pundits — was supposed to run through, over, and around them.
 
I followed every game. He took an obscure safety, Shaqem Griffen, and made him a star while bringing in a difference-making CB and molding the squad into a unit that could be counted on when the game was on the line.

It’s true that they got tired at the end of a long season and it showed those last two games of the season against two great offenses. It may not have looked pretty, but nevertheless, they did it. Then they showed what they were made of when they faced off against SEC powerhouse, Auburn, who — as I recall from the pundits — was supposed to run through, over, and around them.
That’s just 2-3 games. He clearly wasn’t stellar in many of the rest

Additionally, he had 2 Pre-NFL defensive lineman in Pittman and Hill.

That’s a squad with 4 guys on NFL rosters and you’re giving up 33 to Austin Peay? Howabout 10-14?

He just hasn’t proven anything. I think most Nebraska fans aren’t thrilled with him.

The guy simply is not a great Defensive Coordinator and Frost probably will have to ultimately fire his friend to be as successful as he can. Ultimately, some of these excuse games will eventually catch up to you.
 
The guy simply is not a great Defensive Coordinator and Frost probably will have to ultimately fire his friend to be as successful as he can. Ultimately, some of these excuse games will eventually catch up to you.
There are few certainties in life but Frost keeping Chinander as his DC is one of them. They’ll part someday but it will be when Chins gets his own P5 HCing gig.

Is the jury out on Chinander as a top P5 DC? Yeah. But to be fair to me, Crazyhole, and other Husker fans here, we’ve suffered through some pretty inept defensive coordinators since Charlie McBride retired. Hell, Chinander is frickin’ Nick Saban compared to our last DC, Bob Diaco! Even Bo Pelini, who was a national championship DC sucked once Nebraska moved to the Big Ten because he was too damn stubborn to change his D which was designed for the high flying Big XII and not the run-heavy B1G.
 
There are few certainties in life but Frost keeping Chinander as his DC is one of them. They’ll part someday but it will be when Chins gets his own P5 HCing gig.

Is the jury out on Chinander as a top P5 DC? Yeah. But to be fair to me, Crazyhole, and other Husker fans here, we’ve suffered through some pretty inept defensive coordinators since Charlie McBride retired. Hell, Chinander is frickin’ Nick Saban compared to our last DC, Bob Diaco! Even Bo Pelini, who was a national championship DC sucked once Nebraska moved to the Big Ten because he was too damn stubborn to change his D which was designed for the high flying Big XII and not the run-heavy B1G.
Well if that’s the bar you set, it’s completely understandable. Diaco was terrible
 
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Well if that’s the bar you set, it’s completely understandable. Diaco was terrible
That isnt the bar, but considering how bad diaco was it helps Chinander get the benefit of the doubt for at least 3 years. After that, he will be measured against the success that the offense has. Any high scoring losses will be unacceptable. Anything less than 21 point wins, or wins where he holds the other team to fewer than 20 points won't fly. Granted, its a different game now but most nebraska fans still hold to the standard of 300 yards and 17 points allowed. That may be unfair to him but husker fans love great defense
 
This fall will tell us a lot about Chinander and his defense. Nebraska should have the best DL it’s had since the Suh days. That, plus a solid secondary and a good, but not deep, linebacking crew are reasons why there is quiet optimism in Husker Nation this summer. The play of the defense will be the difference-maker. Heck, if you were to watch a 2018 Husker highlights video, you’d wonder how in the world Nebraska had a losing season. The offense, particularly for Year One under Frost, was impressive - particularly the last half of the season.

Martinez is the real deal at QB and it’s no hype to believe he could become a legitimate Heisman candidate as the season progresses. Frost has surrounded Martinez with some very speedy new weapons so you guys might want to keep an eye on the Big Red this season.
 
If we didn’t get up big quick and make the offense one-dimensional, then Chins has major issues. His novelty was blitzing Shaq on every passing down where teams couldn’t account for his 4.4 speed. But if we didn’t get up big right away, then he struggled. We went undefeated because the offense was lights out and USF was stupid enough to kick to Mike Hughes after Chins failed to recognize USF motioning to get their best WR against our slowest LB (for the 20th time) resulting in a long bomb. The guys were obviously confused about how to handle a simple motion switching the RB to the outside and the WR inside and the sideline was no help. This was after doing it all game long and after teams had been doing it with great success for games.

So, no, I would have no confidence in Chinander’s abilities as a DC.
 
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If we didn’t get up big quick and make the offense one-dimensional, then Chins has major issues. His novelty was blitzing Shaq on every passing down where teams couldn’t account for his 4.4 speed. But if we didn’t get up big right away, then he struggled. We went undefeated because the offense was lights out and USF was stupid enough to kick to Mike Hughes after Chins failed to recognize USF motioning to get their best WR against our slowest LB (for the 20th time) resulting in a long bomb. The guys were obviously confused about how to handle a simple motion switching the RB to the outside and the WR inside and the sideline was no help. This was after doing it all game long and after teams had been doing it with great success for games.

So, no, I would have no confidence in Chinander’s abilities as a DC.
This is my biggest concern. He doesnt seem to see trends on the offense and adjust to them. I guess in fairness, Shannon is pretty much the same way for the first half but proved to be one of the best in the business on making halftime adjustments. Chinander to me looks a lot like Pelini, who after 4 years still never learned how to stop the jet sweep. Melvin Gordon is still running across nebraska because we just couldnt stop him.
 
This is my biggest concern. He doesnt seem to see trends on the offense and adjust to them. I guess in fairness, Shannon is pretty much the same way for the first half but proved to be one of the best in the business on making halftime adjustments. Chinander to me looks a lot like Pelini, who after 4 years still never learned how to stop the jet sweep. Melvin Gordon is still running across nebraska because we just couldnt stop him.
FWIW, Shannon made some great halftime adjustments, but since he was so terrible in the half of so many games, I think he’s only just a bit of an upgrade over Chinander.

It seemed like Chinander couldn’t handle when complicated things were thrown at him. Maybe it’s just inexperience.
 
It seemed like Chinander couldn’t handle when complicated things were thrown at him. Maybe it’s just inexperience.
Or maybe he didn't have the horses to do anything about it. In fairness, he has been working with three defenses relying on the previous coaching staff's recruits.

It's been my experience that a coach gets much smarter once he's playing defense with bigger, faster, and more hard-hitting players.
 
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Or maybe he didn't have the horses to do anything about it. In fairness, he has been working with three defenses relying on the previous coaching staff's recruits.

It's been my experience that a coach gets much smarter once he's playing defense with bigger, faster, and more hard-hitting players.
The roster he inherited at UCF was just fine on defense. He’s just not that good.
 
Clearly. The Knights' 0-12 record speaks volumes about the defense he inherited. :rolleyes:
Let’s not compare the 2015 and 2017 defensive rosters. That’s 2 years apart

You guys thought Tre Neal was a stud, because he started and was 3rd in tackles. Knowledgeable UCF fans weren’t hating when we told Nebraska fans that he wasn’t going to be a starter at UCF and WASN’T THAT good. Sometimes you just have to see it for yourself.
 
Let’s not compare the 2015 and 2017 defensive rosters. That’s 2 years apart
Weren't we talking about the roster that Chinander inherited?
You guys thought Tre Neal was a stud, because he started and was 3rd in tackles. Knowledgeable UCF fans weren’t hating when we told Nebraska fans that he wasn’t going to be a starter at UCF and WASN’T THAT good.
Or maybe that says something about the state of the defense Chins inherited at Nebraska?

Given his body of work as DC, the jury is still out on Chinander. You guys may turn out to be right. But I like the direction he is taking the Blackshirt D. Time will tell who's right.
 
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You guys thought Tre Neal was a stud, because he started and was 3rd in tackles.
A stud? I'm not sure we'd have gone that far.

But truthfully, I *really* liked Tre and his moxy. The guy was a winner. For both UCF and Nebraska, Neal could be counted on to make the big play when we needed it.
 
One more thing about Tre Neal: I loved the guy's sense-of-humor. He came to Nebraska for Dental School and told reporters last fall his plan was to knock out some teeth on-the-field but then repair them off-the-field.

One of his other virtues was that he was a total team player thru-and-thru. Tre spent a lot of time educating his new teammates to Coach Chins' system. In fact, he was so good at it -- and got so many encouraging compliments from his coaches -- that by the end of last season I got the feeling Tre was rethinking his plans and considering a career in coaching.

Who knows? You may be seeing him again at UCF down the road.
 
One more thing about Tre Neal: I loved the guy's sense-of-humor. He came to Nebraska for Dental School and told reporters last fall his plan was to knock out some teeth on-the-field but then repair them off-the-field.

One of his other virtues was that he was a total team player thru-and-thru. Tre spent a lot of time educating his new teammates to Coach Chins' system. In fact, he was so good at it -- and got so many encouraging compliments from his coaches -- that by the end of last season I got the feeling Tre was rethinking his plans and considering a career in coaching.

Who knows? You may be seeing him again at UCF down the road.
Well.., we definitely could have used him in the Fiesta Bowl even as a backup as we lost a safety to targeting and that amongst a few other things were the backbreakers
 
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