Excuse me? When did this become an either/or thing?16 months ago his girlfriend told the FBI that he was putting together explosives. Maybe they should have investigated this instead of a garage door pull-down rope
You're excused. The FBI, not so much.Excuse me? When did this become an either/or thing?
The FBI employs over 35,000 people in 56 field offices and maintains 400 resident agencies across the United States. I would expect them to follow through on both of these situations that were brought to their attention.
I agree with you that the FBI (IMHO) dismissed this thing way too easily after the gf brought it to the agency's attention. On the other hand, I have no clue how many of these kinds of cases they routinely get where it turns out to be nothing.You're excused. The FBI, not so much.
And yet they had the time to investigate a rope.I agree with you that the FBI (IMHO) dismissed this thing way too easily after the gf brought it to the agency's attention. On the other hand, I have no clue how many of these kinds of cases they routinely get where it turns out to be nothing.
But you would think a BOMB threat should be taken A TAD MORE SERIOUSLY than these FBI agents took it in this case.
Good grief, what an idiotic thing to say!!! I'm going way out on a limb here and opine that the 35,000 employees of the FBI probably investigated a lot of things this past year. 🙄And yet they had the time to investigate a rope.
The local PD attempted to contact this guy by going out to his trailer and he didn’t answer the knock. Unable to see anything amiss from the outside, they had no PC to enter the RV and no real evidence to file a warrant. People say all kinds of shit about their bf/gf/husband/wife/ex all around the country and almost none of it is true. I’m sure that the public, in this day and age, wouldn’t want them ignoring due process.THe FBI and Local PD dropped the ball on this, but it wasnt because they investigated a rope.
The local PD attempted to contact this guy by going out to his trailer and he didn’t answer the knock. Unable to see anything amiss from the outside, they had no PC to enter the RV and no real evidence to file a warrant. People say all kinds of shit about their bf/gf/husband/wife/ex all around the country and almost none of it is true. I’m sure that the public, in this day and age, wouldn’t want them ignoring due process.
I don’t know that we have enough information to know what the FBI did or didn’t do on this case in order to say that they dropped the ball. Contrary to the hyperbole some like to throw out there, we do not live in a police state. People that are determined to do bad things and have even a modicum of intelligence, especially relative loners that don’t talk to anyone about it, are going to have a good chance of succeeding. We would have to give up our liberty to attempt to achieve absolute security and that is not a trade that most are willing to make.
Without getting into semantics of due process, there are procedures for each of the agencies and there are jurisdictional handoffs for different accusations. If their protocol is to handoff to ATF or the FBI, then the local PD may have done what they should do and it’s entirely possible the FBI did what they could. It was the woman’s attorney that made that statement, not Warner’s attorney, and there’s no evidence that he reported it to anyone. So you may have an accusation from one place without any corroborating evidence amongst a sea of other complaints and investigations that are being worked. Warner had made no previous threats, didn’t engage in a pattern of behavior that triggered law enforcement intel, etc.It wasnt just his girlfriend, his former attorney also told the PD that the guy constantly talked about bombs, and that he likely had the ability to make a bomb. Nobody is saying they should have ignored due process, actually just the opposite. People are wishing they had followed due process and at least attempted to get a warrant.
Without getting into semantics of due process, there are procedures for each of the agencies and there are jurisdictional handoffs for different accusations. If their protocol is to handoff to ATF or the FBI, then the local PD may have done what they should do and it’s entirely possible the FBI did what they could. It was the woman’s attorney that made that statement, not Warner’s attorney, and there’s no evidence that he reported it to anyone. So you may have an accusation from one place without any corroborating evidence amongst a sea of other complaints and investigations that are being worked. Warner had made no previous threats, didn’t engage in a pattern of behavior that triggered law enforcement intel, etc.
It’s far easier to connect the dots in hindsight than in real-time. Just because they didn’t pick up on this doesn’t mean they dropped the ball. Maybe they did, maybe they didn’t, but cherry-picking the girlfriend’s accusations is meager proof of LE incompetence.
The lawyer was his girlfriend’s lawyer.Again, not just his girlfriend. A lawyer who had represented also told police this guy was a concern. And BTW, the police lied about this for several days after, which doesnt make them look great.
The lawyer was his girlfriend’s lawyer.
It’s still just one source of accusation without any physical or corroborative evidence. So they go out and attempt to make contact and don’t talk to the guy and see nothing when they go. What do you want them to do next given all the other stuff they have to do on a daily basis?He had represented the claimant in the past as well.
It’s still just one source of accusation without any physical or corroborative evidence. So they go out and attempt to make contact and don’t talk to the guy and see nothing when they go. What do you want them to do next given all the other stuff they have to do on a daily basis?
You generally need more than one person’s accusations to get a search warrant.THey could have easily pursued a warrant.