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National Socialists (Nazis) are not Right Wing

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Go ahead, name the conservative, small government principles they are fighting for.

Remember, when it comes to slavery, it was the Republicans that fought to end it. Jim Crowe, segregation, etc were all instituted by the left. You can't change history no matter how hard MSNBC and the NYT tries to.

This violence is left on left, fat Chemmie vs really fat Chemmie. Folks like him (her? ze? not sure which pronoun to use to describe a blob) are responsible and need to be held accountable.
 
Anyone with a brain knows the parties switched their political and legislative agendas decades ago. So yes, while the democrats of the 1800's fought for slavery and the Republican Lincoln freed the slaves, today neither political party resembles what they were then. If they did, why wouldn't every black person in America always vote Republican? Because the parties changed and now they vote overwhelmingly democrat.

Nice try.
 
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Ace of Knights said:
Anyone with a brain knows the parties switched their political and legislative agendas decades ago. So yes, while the democrats of the 1800's fought for slavery and the Republican Lincoln freed the slaves, today neither political party resembles what they were then. If they did, why wouldn't every black person in America always vote Republican? Because the parties changed and now they vote overwhelmingly democrat.

Nice try.
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You should study up on that theory a bit more before you espouse it so condemingly.
 
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sk8knight said:
You should study up on that theory a bit more before you espouse it so condemingly.
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Please tell me where I am wrong. Somewhere between 1860 and 1936 the parties switched their platforms. Because Lincoln's Republicans argued for further federal powers of expansion (ex. Freeing the slaves) which is the exact opposite of the Republicans of today who argue for limited federal powers.

And while I realize the Nazis do not represent the mainstream of the right, in today's world they are to the right just as the commies are the extreme left. After all Fascism was in direct response to communism.
 
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This entire debate is so, so stupid.

Aside from some shitheads waving flags at a rally, the Nazis and Confederacy have virtually nothing in common.
 
UCFKnight85 said:
This entire debate is so, so stupid.

Aside from some shitheads waving flags at a rally, the Nazis and Confederacy have virtually nothing in common.
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Except, you know, the whole "our white race is superior to others" thing. Seems the promoters of last weekend's rally knew they would have something in common. Check out the symbols used in the promotional material.
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CommuterBob said:
Except, you know, the whole "our white race is superior to others" thing. Seems the promoters of last weekend's rally knew they would have something in common. Check out the symbols used in the promotional material.
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You're confusing what morons put on a poster in 2017 vs. actual reality with context.

Beyond the element of racism, there is virtually NOTHING in common when looking at geopolitics, economic factors, military goals, leadership, and intended outcomes desired.

Even the issue of racism isn't really relatable. The Confederacy was outright racist against black people and wanted to continue slavery, but were very accommodating to Native Americans. They fought side by side and many NA tribes were slave owners themselves. The Nazis didn't care much about slavery- they simply wanted to annihilate everyone who was not a white German and establish a master race.
 
Can people, consistently between individuals, ever be secure in their own ascendancy and character such that insecurity over their racial position doesn't cause them to take up courses of injustice against fellow men of other races?
 
Ace of Knights said:
Please tell me where I am wrong. Somewhere between 1860 and 1936 the parties switched their platforms. Because Lincoln's Republicans argued for further federal powers of expansion (ex. Freeing the slaves) which is the exact opposite of the Republicans of today who argue for limited federal powers.

And while I realize the Nazis do not represent the mainstream of the right, in today's world they are to the right just as the commies are the extreme left. After all Fascism was in direct response to communism.
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Wait...so less government control over a person's daily life (freedom) = more government control? Nice try.
 
prager u did a video about the whole parties switching sides and the time line. unfortunately, i cant get to youtube at work to link it.
 
UCFWayne said:
prager u did a video about the whole parties switching sides and the time line. unfortunately, i cant get to youtube at work to link it.
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There are two arguments at play in this thread. The question is does the American party switch switch in the 1900s also change the political views of the Neo American Nazis that were on display a few days ago? And how do those clowns relate to 1940s Nazi Germany.

In the end I don't think it really matters. In today's world in America they get lumped in with the right and get mixed with militias and the Sovereign Citizens. Just as Antifa and others are seen as being on the left. You got extremes on both sides.
 
Ace of Knights said:
There are two arguments at play in this thread. The question is does the American party switch switch in the 1900s also change the political views of the Neo American Nazis that were on display a few days ago? And how do those clowns relate to 1940s Nazi Germany.

In the end I don't think it really matters. In today's world in America they get lumped in with the right and get mixed with militias and the Sovereign Citizens. Just as Antifa and others are seen as being on the left. You got extremes on both sides.
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The Nazis lump themselves in with the far right, but that's only out of necessity. They really don't have a political home and identify more with the far left than the far right, but as I said, the political spectrum is a mobius strip.
 
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CommuterBob said:
The Nazis lump themselves in with the far right, but that's only out of necessity. They really don't have a political home and identify more with the far left than the far right, but as I said, the political spectrum is a mobius strip.
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Do they lump themselves in there or is that where researchers have lumped them? But I agree. It gets weird when some attributes are shared between some groups but they disagree on others.
 
extremists are stupid on both sides. One thing you can be sure of, however, is that the rise of antifa and BLM brought those crazy KKK guys out of the shadows.

How many nazi wacko articles did you read about in the paper 2 years ago? Basically, none. Now, these left wing dip$hit$ come roaring out and here come the right wing crazies to battle them.

Happens every time.
 
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extremists are stupid on both sides. One thing you can be sure of, however, is that the rise of antifa and BLM brought those crazy KKK guys out of the shadows.

How many nazi wacko articles did you read about in the paper 2 years ago? Basically, none. Now, these left wing dip$hit$ come roaring out and here come the right wing crazies to battle them.

Happens every time.
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Had the antifa thugs stayed home, the neo-Nazis would have stayed as irrelevant as they have been for the past 3 decades. By showing up they gave them exactly what they were looking for, relevance.
 
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fabknight said:
Had the antifa thugs stayed home, the neo-Nazis would have stayed as irrelevant as they have been for the past 3 decades. By showing up they gave them exactly what they were looking for, relevance.
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yep....
 
Ace of Knights said:
Anyone with a brain knows the parties switched their political and legislative agendas decades ago. So yes, while the democrats of the 1800's fought for slavery and the Republican Lincoln freed the slaves, today neither political party resembles what they were then. If they did, why wouldn't every black person in America always vote Republican? Because the parties changed and now they vote overwhelmingly democrat.

Nice try.
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If that is true explain Robert Byrd.
 
fabknight said:
Had the antifa thugs stayed home, the neo-Nazis would have stayed as irrelevant as they have been for the past 3 decades. By showing up they gave them exactly what they were looking for, relevance.
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this is how you fight those terrible ideas. let them spit their hate for the world to see. the world will by and large turn their backs on them.

unfortunately, when antifa shows up to fight them, they are often times the agressers and start the fight. this can make some people sympathetic to the kkk and their cause. this helps grow their numbers.

then antfia says hey, the kkk are a growing threat, we need more people to help us combat them. its a vicious cycle.
 
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Had the antifa thugs stayed home, the neo-Nazis would have stayed as irrelevant as they have been for the past 3 decades. By showing up they gave them exactly what they were looking for, relevance.
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That may be true, but a counterpoint could be made that these Nazis and KKK feel emboldened by their (perceived or actual) support by Trump. When David Duke, (an antisemitic conspiracy theorist, Holocaust denier, convicted felon, and former Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan) tweets "GOD BLESS DONALD TRUMP" and "Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the truth about #Charlottesville & condemn the leftist terrorists in BLM/Antifa", you might want to rethink your policy.
 
NinjaKnight said:
That may be true, but a counterpoint could be made that these Nazis and KKK feel emboldened by their (perceived or actual) support by Trump. When David Duke, (an antisemitic conspiracy theorist, Holocaust denier, convicted felon, and former Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan) tweets "GOD BLESS DONALD TRUMP" and "Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the truth about #Charlottesville & condemn the leftist terrorists in BLM/Antifa", you might want to rethink your policy.
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i think trump aligning with bannon is a problem. he needs to distance himself from bannon and those ties to kkk. i do think that helps make the kkk stronger.

however, i think that the rise of antifa, has played a larger role as i stated above. carbob is right about the political spectrum, its not a line with 2 endpoints but more of a ring. those on far right and left both share something in common.
 
UCFWayne said:
i think trump aligning with bannon is a problem. he needs to distance himself from bannon and those ties to kkk. i do think that helps make the kkk stronger.

however, i think that the rise of antifa, has played a larger role as i stated above. carbob is right about the political spectrum, its not a line with 2 endpoints but more of a ring. those on far right and left both share something in common.
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It's really difficult to quantify. There's soo many facets to political ideologies that it's very difficult to place on a line or even a grid. Many ideologies on the fringes will have some commonalities so they'll end up next each other if you pick the right variable (i.e. Communism and Fascism are both authoritarian but polar opposites in terms of equality).
 
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This is what an Eisenhower Republican sounds like ...

QUOTE: ‘As President of the United States, and as a Republican, I reject the support of white supremacists. The country that defeated Hitler’s armies is no place for Nazi flags. The party of Lincoln won’t stand with those who carry the battle flags of the failed Confederacy.’ -- Arnold Schwarzenegger on how a President should address Charlottesville.

As least a lot of the silent majority of Republicans, the ones that put Trump into power, spoke out after this weekend, and again during this week, against Trump.
 
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