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NIL already leveling itself out?

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When you start getting paid like a semi-pro you have to deal with the semi-pro expectations

NIL Kings like DJ Uiagaleiei, D'eriq King and CJ Stroud raked in big bucks before the season and already Clemson, Miami and Ohio State are out of the playoff picture three weeks in.

Im sure companies are learning early what the return on investment looks for unproven products, very dim.

I think the preseason million dollar QB phenomenon will probably be short-lived, even the Bama QB almost lost to Florida. These dudes will have to produce first.

But on the bright side the D2 women's basketball Tik Tokers will still be securing the bag, their "skillset" is not performance based anyways.
 
When you start getting paid like a semi-pro you have to deal with the semi-pro expectations

NIL Kings like DJ Uiagaleiei, D'eriq King and CJ Stroud raked in big bucks before the season and already Clemson, Miami and Ohio State are out of the playoff picture three weeks in.

Im sure companies are learning early what the return on investment looks for unproven products, very dim.

I think the preseason million dollar QB phenomenon will probably be short-lived, even the Bama QB almost lost to Florida. These dudes will have to produce first.

But on the bright side the D2 women's basketball Tik Tokers will still be securing the bag, their "skillset" is not performance based anyways.
yep ..certain lady athletes will make bank a lot longer than some of their male counterparts
 
There’s still only so many athletes the top programs can take. And even less they will pay big bucks for. The gap between the has and has nots has and will always be there. The only thing this changes is teams can now throw money at it to try and improve. This was already happening with coaches. Look at FSU. They have thrown tons of money at coaches already. But the Spanx lady still only is a finite money source. And the appetite to flush money down the toilet has to be getting weaker no matter how wealthy you are.
 
It’s not Xs and Os. It’s the Jimmy’s and Joes. Coach doesn’t matter. The players do. Saban isn’t some great coach. He’s a great recruiter.
Taggart and Norvell are also great recruiters. That gives them a team that is on par with Jacksonville State.
 
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Taggart and Norvell are also great recruiters. That gives them a team that is on par with Jacksonville State.
For the record I’m not talking class rankings. Talking guys that go to NFL and are good. Memphis doesn’t have many but he was good there. How many good NFL players has Taggart coached at FSU? Saban has a long list. He sucked in NFL when he couldn’t hand pick his entire roster.
 
He sucked in NFL when he couldn’t hand pick his entire roster.
NFL and college is vastly different. What motivates a college player and an NFL player is completely different worlds. Coaches like Saban and Urban Meyer come in and think they can push multi millionaire professionals around like they are college kids.

If the players don't respect/like you, then they won't play for you.
 
When Lottery was 1st introduced to Florida ,, it was orgasmic !! .... and it eventually found it's equilibrium and so will NIL ..
 
For the record I’m not talking class rankings. Talking guys that go to NFL and are good. Memphis doesn’t have many but he was good there. How many good NFL players has Taggart coached at FSU? Saban has a long list. He sucked in NFL when he couldn’t hand pick his entire roster.
Florida State had 4 draft picks last year from a 3-9 team full of Taggart players.
 
Florida State had 4 draft picks last year from a 3-9 team full of Taggart players.
Are they all starters? I’m not going to look each up. He was only there 2 years. Didn’t finish the second year. Heup was here longer and we had 4 drafted. Will all 4 of ours pan out? Probably not. FSU 4 may not either.
 
It’s not Xs and Os. It’s the Jimmy’s and Joes. Coach doesn’t matter. The players do. Saban isn’t some great coach. He’s a great recruiter.
What makes Saban a great recruiter? What is his selling point? Obviously today he can go around and say we are perineal championship contenders, have most players in NFL, etc., but that couldn't have been the pitch in the late 2000s, right?
 
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What makes Saban a great recruiter? What is his selling point? Obviously today he can go around and say we are perineal championship contenders, have most players in NFL, etc., but that couldn't have been the pitch in the late 2000s, right?
I'd guess his own evaluations also have to play a role.
 
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What makes Saban a great recruiter? What is his selling point? Obviously today he can go around and say we are perineal championship contenders, have most players in NFL, etc., but that couldn't have been the pitch in the late 2000s, right?
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What makes Saban a great recruiter? What is his selling point? Obviously today he can go around and say we are perineal championship contenders, have most players in NFL, etc., but that couldn't have been the pitch in the late 2000s, right?
good question, because even before that he was able to win at LSU. Something about him specifically makes talent want to follow him.
 
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good question, because even before that he was able to win at LSU. Something about him specifically makes talent want to follow him.
It’s because he’s such a great coach and has demonstrated that over time. What separates himself is he’s also so amazing at coaching up his own coach’s so he has a high level of preparation and coaching at each level on his staff and that’s so underrated. Look how much turnover they have on that staff and never miss a beat. His players are always top of the line prepared physically and mentally. He obviously gets great talent but he develops top tier talent better than anyone in the country. How is it being said he’s not a top of the line coach? Yeah the nfl didnt go perfect but that’s not a slight on him as a coach. Year 1 he took a 4-12 team and went 9-7. Year 2 was marred by the bad roster decision to sign culpepper who’s knee never recovered and had to started joey Harrington for the dam year and only won 6 games lol. None of that is an inditement on him purely as a football coach in fact I’d say he quickly turned around a bad team in year 1 but unfortunately got the qb decision horribly wrong which in the nfl no matter what is a death sentence for your team.
 
It’s because he’s such a great coach and has demonstrated that over time. What separates himself is he’s also so amazing at coaching up his own coach’s so he has a high level of preparation and coaching at each level on his staff and that’s so underrated. Look how much turnover they have on that staff and never miss a beat. His players are always top of the line prepared physically and mentally. He obviously gets great talent but he develops top tier talent better than anyone in the country. How is it being said he’s not a top of the line coach? Yeah the nfl didnt go perfect but that’s not a slight on him as a coach. Year 1 he took a 4-12 team and went 9-7. Year 2 was marred by the bad roster decision to sign culpepper who’s knee never recovered and had to started joey Harrington for the dam year and only won 6 games lol. None of that is an inditement on him purely as a football coach in fact I’d say he quickly turned around a bad team in year 1 but unfortunately got the qb decision horribly wrong which in the nfl no matter what is a death sentence for your team.
Which is exactly the point. If he doesn’t have the best talent around he doesn’t win championships. If he stayed at Michigan State he never wins a NC. LSU and Bama have big boosters and get the best players money can buy. He doesn’t get the best players because he was a 5’8” corner at Kent. It’s because of the boosters.
 
Which is exactly the point. If he doesn’t have the best talent around he doesn’t win championships. If he stayed at Michigan State he never wins a NC. LSU and Bama have big boosters and get the best players money can buy. He doesn’t get the best players because he was a 5’8” corner at Kent. It’s because of the boosters.
Its a cop out to say that its all because of boosters/money. Why has coaches routinely failed at Texas, Alabama was terrible for a period, UF, FSU has been up and down.

Malzhan had all the boosters and money he could ever want in Auburn, but then he will be more successful at UCF? Makes the hire look bad.

Unique challenge for Saban, he gets so much talent, big ego guys that were brought up as superstars in high schools and projected to be NFL millionaires and manages to get them to work together, grow and win. UCF gets a few highly touted recruits and they end up causing more problems for the program than benefit.
 
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Its a cop out to say that its all because of boosters/money. Why has coaches routinely failed at Texas, Alabama was terrible for a period, UF, FSU has been up and down.

Malzhan had all the boosters and money he could ever want in Auburn, but then he will be more successful at UCF? Makes the hire look bad.

Unique challenge for Saban, he gets so much talent, big ego guys that were brought up as superstars in high schools and projected to be NFL millionaires and manages to get them to work together, grow and win. UCF gets a few highly touted recruits and they end up causing more problems for the program than benefit.
Miami was good when they were paying players. FSU players were getting all kinds of gifts and money when they were good. Norvell mentioned wanting to do it the right way. That probably won’t work even though they can get them money without breaking rules. Does Saban even coach the players much? He seems to just be a guy that expects the position coaches to do most of it. Frost is breaking rules because he’s realizing it’s not about just coaching when you are playing teams that get recruits large NIL deals. In the winter not much difference between Ohio and Nebraska. Difference is they get a high school QB to come early for 7 figures. Even Belichek has sucked in his career without Brady. It’s the players. Not coaches.
 
It’s because he’s such a great coach and has demonstrated that over time. What separates himself is he’s also so amazing at coaching up his own coach’s so he has a high level of preparation and coaching at each level on his staff and that’s so underrated. Look how much turnover they have on that staff and never miss a beat. His players are always top of the line prepared physically and mentally. He obviously gets great talent but he develops top tier talent better than anyone in the country. How is it being said he’s not a top of the line coach? Yeah the nfl didnt go perfect but that’s not a slight on him as a coach. Year 1 he took a 4-12 team and went 9-7. Year 2 was marred by the bad roster decision to sign culpepper who’s knee never recovered and had to started joey Harrington for the dam year and only won 6 games lol. None of that is an inditement on him purely as a football coach in fact I’d say he quickly turned around a bad team in year 1 but unfortunately got the qb decision horribly wrong which in the nfl no matter what is a death sentence for your team.
That’s what I’m trying to get at. So he has some ability of influencing his players and coaches to achieve greatness that for some reason other coaches don’t?

Does he work like 100 hours per week? Is that why he’s more prepared than other coaches? Does his mind just work faster and more efficient than other coaches?
 
Miami was good when they were paying players. FSU players were getting all kinds of gifts and money when they were good. Norvell mentioned wanting to do it the right way. That probably won’t work even though they can get them money without breaking rules. Does Saban even coach the players much? He seems to just be a guy that expects the position coaches to do most of it. Frost is breaking rules because he’s realizing it’s not about just coaching when you are playing teams that get recruits large NIL deals. In the winter not much difference between Ohio and Nebraska. Difference is they get a high school QB to come early for 7 figures. Even Belichek has sucked in his career without Brady. It’s the players. Not coaches.
It's coaches and players, Brady would not have become who he is without Belichick. After enough years though players like Brady can rival any coach in terms of knowledge/preparation.

So essentially teams like FSU, Miami, USC, Michigan, Texas, all decided to stop paying players and now are inferior. Had nothing to do with Hall of Fame coaches. Hopefully they don't figure it out.
 
It's coaches and players, Brady would not have become who he is without Belichick. After enough years though players like Brady can rival any coach in terms of knowledge/preparation.

So essentially teams like FSU, Miami, USC, Michigan, Texas, all decided to stop paying players and now are inferior. Had nothing to do with Hall of Fame coaches. Hopefully they don't figure it out.
So coaches who change teams and suck, very long list, is it because they no longer can coach? What could possibly be a reason a great coach changes locations and has a harder time winning?
 
That’s what I’m trying to get at. So he has some ability of influencing his players and coaches to achieve greatness that for some reason other coaches don’t?

Does he work like 100 hours per week? Is that why he’s more prepared than other coaches? Does his mind just work faster and more efficient than other coaches?
I think the biggest thing in addition to being an elite coach and organization / prep for the entire program is the overall leadership he provides. It's easy to say most head coaches are probably leaders but there's levels to it. How many teams get top tier talent and it just doesn't work either due to character, work ethic, or just the ability to bring an entire unit of 80+ players who were all not just all stars but kings of their towns elite talents. He's built a system everywhere he goes where when you commit to Alabama you know you are committing to working your as$ off, being coached hard, being coached hard, and earning everything you got because everyone here has pro talent. You may enjoy the school but you know you're going to essentially an NFL feeder. Put the highest level talent and that's a dangerous combo and he's built it better than anyone else in history of college football. Phil Jackson is a pro example of this. He was a great coach but everyone always talked most glowingly about his ability to manage teams full of superstars to excel together.
 
So coaches who change teams and suck, very long list, is it because they no longer can coach? What could possibly be a reason a great coach changes locations and has a harder time winning?
Of course again it's a combination of factors that being said, Nick Saban and Urban Meyer won national championships in multiple schools. Urban Meyer in his second season at Utah went undefeated, 2nd season at UF won a national championship, and in 1st season at Ohio State went undefeated.

As in any sport a great coach can't win without great players, and great players can't win without a great coach. Might get lucky with a one off championship. But when you have both you get dynasties, Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State, Florida State, Oklahoma, Miami.

If it was only about talent, then apparently it wasn't Heupel at all and it was only the players that are not good enough the last few years.
 
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