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28,000 people under 50 died of COVID in 14 months at time of the below above

How many people 50 and under have died of vaccination?
 
I'm not too concerned with this. I'm way more worried on whether the vaccines lead to ADE, which we don't know yet.
 
I'm not too concerned with this. I'm way more worried on whether the vaccines lead to ADE, which we don't know yet.
Well that's a bigger, long-term concern. And it's not unrelated to antibiotics and other 'modern medicine.' One could argue mRNA will become the new 'modern medicine.' I'm very hopeful it will too.

But everything has unintended consequences. People don't realize that we are changing the natural 'attack vectors' in our bodies.

Not everything is a positive, although usually it's positive benefits >>> negative issues. But I strongly believe VZL vaccines -- in hindsight -- will be considered a negative result (more negative than positive), especially given how VZV is hosted in the body and attacks it, eternally.

I don't think SARS-CoV-2 vaccines will be viewed negatively, At most, the dosage and purity given to children may be considered 'incorrect' initially, given children are overwhelmingly immune from falling ill to SARS-CoV-2. Only time will tell, but in the end, there will be a lot of commentary -- once again -- about how we have to be more cautious with children, like in the past after other mistakes with vaccinating children.
 
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Well that's a bigger, long-term concern.
And it's not unrelated to antibiotics and other 'modern medicine.'

One could argue mRNA will become the new 'modern medicine.'
I'm very hopeful it will too.

But everything has unintended consequences.
Based on the animal testing of mRNA vaccines in the past, it may not be a "long term" problem. I'm with you in hoping that it isn't, but its too soon to know.
 
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Based on the animal testing of mRNA vaccines in the past, it may not be a "long term" problem. I'm with you in hoping that it isn't, but its too soon to know.
The short-term problem is that we don't have a good understanding of not only Corornaviruses, but the Immune system. Once we can develop a better set of profiles for the Immune system, it will get better ... even if worse, for some.

But one thing is fact ...

The history of vaccines and various results, advisements, etc... should not be blindly applied to either mRNA or Adenovirus types, and the fact that people are ... is pure ignorance. Even Truvada, an Adenovirus type, has a mixed history so far too.

We only have the mRNA vaccines under EUA because their efficacy in trials were too high to ignore, especially for 45+ -- 93%+ of the dead -- and very likely worth the long-term risks. We're talking a population that likely would not live 20 years without it.

But for kids that still have 60 years, a good 4-5x their lifespan left ... waiting may end up being far better -- as they only represent 0.04% of the dead.

It's amazing how much people are assuming, and don't realize we really don't know jack. "All vaccines are safe and completely worth it." No, a supermajority of vaccines have been proven to be well worth it. But mRNA is pending, especially the younger we go. Even Adenovirus types have a lot to prove too.

Anti-vaxxers are correct on 1 thing. mRNA and Adenovirus types are still experimental. Anyone saying otherwise is really ignoring the facts, just like Dr. Fauci on 'gain of function.' It's trying to re-write the realities of what we don't know, and could have risks we don't want to believe are there.
 
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The short-term problem is that we don't have a good understanding of not only Corornaviruses, but the Immune system. Once we can develop a better set of profiles for the Immune system, it will get better ... even if worse, for some.

But one thing is fact ...

The history of vaccines and various results, advisements, etc... should not be blindly applied to either mRNA or Adenovirus types, and the fact that people are ... is pure ignorance. Even Truvada, an Adenovirus type, has a mixed history so far too.

We only have the mRNA vaccines under EUA because their efficacy in trials were too high to ignore, especially for 45+ -- 93%+ of the dead -- and very likely worth the long-term risks. We're talking a population that likely would not live 20 years without it.

But for kids that still have 60 years, a good 4-5x their lifespan left ... waiting may end up being far better -- as they only represent 0.04% of the dead.

It's amazing how much people are assuming, and don't realize we really don't know jack. "All vaccines are safe and worth it." No, most vaccines are proven to be worth it. mRNA is pending, especially the younger we go. Even Adenovirus types have a lot to prove too.

Anti-vaxxers are correct on 1 thing. mRNA and Adenovirus types are still experimental. Anyone saying otherwise is really ignoring the facts, just like Dr. Fauci on 'gain of function.' It's trying to re-write the realities of what we don't know, and could have risks we don't want to believe are there.
That's fine, and time will tell. Personally I am reticent of both the mRNA vaccines and the adenovirus mutated vaccines because both seem rushed and the concept of both is sketchy as hell.
 
That's fine, and time will tell. Personally I am reticent of both the mRNA vaccines and the adenovirus mutated vaccines because both seem rushed and the concept of both is sketchy as hell.
I went with the Adenovirus type because it was available and I had already been tracking Truvada.

I just turned 48 and I realized that I could wait until 50, giving time for a lot of things to be known, probably without issue. But in the end, I gave in to the J&J AD26 type, because my wife got it, had a number of issues by week 3, but improved by the time I received a slot. I also had a very good reaction by week 3, completely different.

I may still end up regretting it long-term, but I made the call, without any pressure, evaluating the risk. I fully expect some non-chronic issues long-term as a result of the AD26 type, mostly annoyances with my eyes. As always ... we'll see. But anyone thinking we can modify our bodies without at least minor changes just don't understand.

We have the same thing with antibiotics and so many other realities.

Heck, we're only now starting to understand gut bacteria and how we've been harming our digestive systems with modern medicine. That's why gastrointestinal issues have skyrocketed it. And as with more MRSA and antibiotic resistant bacteria, we've only clobbered those 'good bacteria' even worse as a result.

And if you point that out, among other things, people will say, "Oh, mRNA is different, and proven," and I'm like (but don't say) ... "You do realize the people saying that, which you're repeating, are talking out of their @$$es, right?!"
 
I went with the Adenovirus type because it was available and I had already been tracking Truvada.

I just turned 48 and I realized that I could wait until 50, giving time for a lot of things to be known, probably without issue. But in the end, I gave in to the J&J AD26 type, because my wife got it, had a number of issues by week 3, but improved by the time I received a slot. I also had a very good reaction by week 3, completely different.

I may still end up regretting it long-term, but I made the call, without any pressure, evaluating the risk. I fully expect some non-chronic issues long-term as a result of the AD26 type, mostly annoyances with my eyes. As always ... we'll see. But anyone thinking we can modify our bodies without at least minor changes just don't understand.

We have the same thing with antibiotics and so many other realities.

Heck, we're only now starting to understand gut bacteria and how we've been harming our digestive systems with modern medicine. That's why gastrointestinal issues have skyrocketed it. And as with more MRSA and antibiotic resistant bacteria, we've only clobbered those 'good bacteria' even worse as a result.

And if you point that out, among other things, people will say, "Oh, mRNA is different, and proven," and I'm like (but don't say) ... "You do realize the people saying that, which you're repeating, are talking out of their @$$es, right?!"
MRNA is different, and not proven. My concern about the J&J is that they took two viruses and mutated them together. Just my impression, but that seems like a bad idea. It's probably fine, it's just that the concept of that seems pretty dangerous.
 
MRNA is different, and not proven. My concern about the J&J is that they took two viruses and mutated them together. Just my impression, but that seems like a bad idea. It's probably fine, it's just that the concept of that seems pretty dangerous.
To me you don't know what u say...or prove me wrong.
 

28,000 people under 50 died of COVID in 14 months at time of the below above

How many people 50 and under have died of vaccination?
28000 people died after having tested positive to a PCR test with the cycles around 35-45. That’s different than dying from covid. I highly doubt every one of those was an actual case of Covid with symptoms being documented. Still could be in the tens of thousands, though.

We have no idea how many under 50 have died from the vaccine. The reporting system is massively under utilized. It sits at around 5-6 thousand deaths right now, I have seen people say that it is currently under reported and the deaths are around 25,000. I won’t defend that number.

I have also seen videos of nurses saying they are pressured to not report adverse reactions or deaths as vaccine related. That’s anecdotal and not proof of anything. The point is that official vaccine numbers might be just as questionable as official covid numbers.
 
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Also when was vaccine available..not before Jan 20...then it was only available to 60 and older. Hmm this fake
 
28000 people died after having tested positive to a PCR test with the cycles around 35-45. That’s different than dying from covid. I highly doubt every one of those was an actual case of Covid with symptoms being documented. Still could be in the tens of thousands, though.

We have no idea how many under 50 have died from the vaccine. The reporting system is massively under utilized. It sits at around 5-6 thousand deaths right now, I have seen people say that it is currently under reported and the deaths are around 25,000. I won’t defend that number.

I have also seen videos of nurses saying they are pressured to not report adverse reactions or deaths as vaccine related. That’s anecdotal and not proof of anything. The point is that official vaccine numbers might be just as questionable as official covid numbers.
So.. what point are you trying to make? That vaccine death numbers are anywhere in the ballpark of COVID death numbers and we should just scrap the vaccine and keep this pandemic going on forever?
 
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Then say this is speculation..**** man...u don't know shit..then why post like all this is true..
 
So... @Happy Hands has “seen videos.” Now I’m convinced that this whole COVID thing is a fraud and the government injected a microchip into over 50% of the population, so they can watch them take a dump at lunchtime
 
28000 people died after having tested positive to a PCR test ...
PCR tests are about as misunderstood -- let alone as misinterpreted -- as DNA Marker tests. But people believe they test unique/absolute, when they do not. PCR test are misread over 90% of the time, as court case after court case has heard. The courts have not been good to the states that treat any positive PCR return as SARS-CoV-2 symptomatic.

I have also seen videos of nurses saying they are pressured to not report adverse reactions or deaths as vaccine related. That’s anecdotal and not proof of anything. The point is that official vaccine numbers might be just as questionable as official covid numbers.
Most things are anecdotal right now.

The only thing that pissed me off is when states started purposely preventing the use of immunosupressives for SARS-CoV-2, even though they still allowed it for SARS-CoV[-1], MERS-CoV, HCoV-OC43, Malaria, Lymes and so many others. They allowed it for virtually all Coronaviruses and Respiratory diseases except SARS-CoV-2, over the objections of even their own, state boards.

Doctors must have the option!
 
So.. what point are you trying to make? That vaccine death numbers are anywhere in the ballpark of COVID death numbers and we should just scrap the vaccine and keep this pandemic going on forever?
Oh, just given the amount of adverse reactions the vaccine should be scrapped. I think the flu vaccine in the 70’s was scrapped after 12 deaths. I don’t know the real number, but it is certainly much higher than 12. That’s not mentioning heart attacks, blood clots, seizures, etc.

To be clear, I am talking about a vaccine that has only been proven to reduce symptoms and that is from trials run by the pharmaceutical companies themselves. Companies that have been pushed out products knowing they were deadly were incentivized by billions of dollars to show that their vaccine is “safe and effective.” I won’t go into how the CDC, FDA and the NIH are all either compromised by pharmaceutical money or are involved in the production of the vaccine itself.

Covid exists and is dangerous for a certain segment of the population, but the pandemic was created by government. I don’t need to imagine things like microchips in the vaccine to see governmental manipulation.
 
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Oh, just given the amount of adverse reactions the vaccine should be scrapped. I think the flu vaccine in the 70’s was scrapped after 12 deaths. I don’t know the real number, but it is certainly much higher than 12. That’s not mentioning heart attacks, blood clots, seizures, etc.

To be clear, I am talking about a vaccine that has only been proven to reduce symptoms and that is from trials run by the pharmaceutical companies themselves. Companies that have been pushed out products knowing they were deadly were incentivized by billions of dollars to show that their vaccine is “safe and effective.” I won’t go into how the CDC, FDA and the NIH are all either compromised by pharmaceutical money or are involved in the production of the vaccine itself.

Covid exists and is dangerous for a certain segment of the population, but the pandemic was created by government. I don’t need to imagine things like microchips in the vaccine to see governmental manipulation.
Are you secretly developing a COVID vaccine in your garage? Let me know when it’s finished. I’m going to need it to fight this fake virus. Make sure it’s at least 80 proof and flavored. I got 10 bucks stashed somewhere that I can donate towards the cause. I’ll even participate in the trials. 😊
 
Are you secretly developing a COVID vaccine in your garage? Let me know when it’s finished. I’m going to need it to fight this fake virus. Make sure it’s at least 80 proof and flavored. I got 10 bucks stashed somewhere that I can donate towards the cause. I’ll even participate in the trials. 😊
I think your describing heroin or fireball shots at a college bar.
 
I think your describing heroin or fireball shots at a college bar.
Do you think that would eradicate a make believe virus/pandemic? I would think that it would make it much worse. Lots of hallucinations
 
PCR tests are about as misunderstood -- let alone as misinterpreted -- as DNA Marker tests. But people believe they test unique/absolute, when they do not. PCR test are misread over 90% of the time, as court case after court case has heard. The courts have not been good to the states that treat any positive PCR return as SARS-CoV-2 symptomatic.


Most things are anecdotal right now.

The only thing that pissed me off is when states started purposely preventing the use of immunosupressives for SARS-CoV-2, even though they still allowed it for SARS-CoV[-1], MERS-CoV, HCoV-OC43, Malaria, Lymes and so many others. They allowed it for virtually all Coronaviruses and Respiratory diseases except SARS-CoV-2, over the objections of even their own, state boards.

Doctors must have the option!
I’ve e seen the inventor of the PCR test say they can’t diagnose illness. Sadly, he is dead now. His opinion throughout the last year would have been amazing. He hated Fauci with a serious passion. Well, now I think he might have been Hillaried.
 
Oh, just given the amount of adverse reactions the vaccine should be scrapped. I think the flu vaccine in the 70’s was scrapped after 12 deaths. I don’t know the real number, but it is certainly much higher than 12. That’s not mentioning heart attacks, blood clots, seizures, etc.
Unfortunately, that's not a 'complete argument.'

The Influenza-A vaccine in the '70s was a pre-emptive roll-out. There was no outbreak, just a 'fear' of a outbreak. It caused people not to trust the CDC and Big Pharma.

The SARS-CoV-2 vaccines we have today are reactive, to combat an actual outbreak of a respiratory killing as many people as TB -- especially in developed countries, not just undeveloped.

My only problem in the latter case is how many Americans have no problem with the vaccines being un-approved, with virtually no VEARS data correlation over time, which I've just never seen before. And it seems to be politically related.

Even when VEARS starts to indicate something, the US Media downplays it. Same with the Wuhan lab. It's all been politically motivated. I don't understand that. It's not 'science.'

Even the articles while Trump was President in the fall warned various people, and even before he left in January, they were still talking about how no trial showed any reduction in infections or spread, only disease.

It's like Big Pharma is our friend, and harmless. They can do no wrong. Why? Change in White House. Then again with the narrative on Wuhan. No longer is it racist. What? Same with 'no future issues, all proven good, wasn't rushed by Trump.'

It's like it's magic, no future issues, all safe, just as good for kids as adults, kids even getting full adult strength, same period between jabs. I've just never seen something like that. People blaming anti-vaxxers who want to wait on full approval.

People upset that they won't vaccinate their kids under 16, and ignoring the statistics on children. At least Influenza-A outbreaks kill kids, 10-40% of the dead. Coronaviruses don't, and SARS-CoV-2 has under 18 as only 0.04% of the dead.

So in that regard, the '70s Influenza-A scare to vaccinate kids would have made sense ... had their been an outbreak. This? This is literally something I don't understand. Pfizer's phase one trial was only ~2,200 kids. And then they got EUA approval in May, although some under 16 were getting it before May ... full adult dosage.

That's just irresponsible. I don't understand the 'rush to protect kids' like they make up 10-40% of the dead, like an Influenza-A. Damn the well-defined, regulatory requirements ... let me say that again, regulatory requirements.

To be clear, I am talking about a vaccine that has only been proven to reduce symptoms and that is from trials run by the pharmaceutical companies themselves. Companies that have been pushed out products knowing they were deadly were incentivized by billions of dollars to show that their vaccine is “safe and effective.” I won’t go into how the CDC, FDA and the NIH are all either compromised by pharmaceutical money or are involved in the production of the vaccine itself.
But the risk was worth it, hence the EUA. I cannot fault the logic here, for those 65+, then 45+, even 25+.

What I don't understand is the rush to protect those under 25 who make up only 0.2% of the dead, or the under 18, who make up only 0.04% of the dead. WTF?!

Covid exists and is dangerous for a certain segment of the population, but the pandemic was created by government. I don’t need to imagine things like microchips in the vaccine to see governmental manipulation.
Actually, I do agree here when it comes to kids. It was the ultimate knee-jerk and shows that people cannot be logical with statistics at all, and will harm their kids more than they help. Parents have it hard enough, but they are fed so much BS, it gets old.

Many pediatricians and psychologists have come out and said more kids have died and have been harmed long-term due to the lockdown than they ever would have SARS-CoV-2 prior to vaccination.

And the politicians and Media'isms destroyed our economy with fraudulent information, like N95 masks prevent infection. Dr. Fauci said otherwise, the US Media didn't listen, and Fauci's own e-mails repeatedly prove it.

I wore a P100 mask and people made fun of me. Yet, I knew better.
 
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I'm moving all further responses to this thread, since I'm still the 'Messenger That Is Getting Shot.' Rejoice! I'm done in this thread.

 
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