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haven’t seen that guy’s track record but hope it is right ..herd immunity the hard way, too many preventable deaths in FL this past month
No one knows where 'the line' is.
We also have to accept the fact that 'effective immunity' (the easier type of 'herd immunity') has never been achieved with any coronavirus (CoV) in history, natural or vaccinated.
Which brings me to ...
But mRNA vaccines were never going to provide herd immunity by design.
We had hoped they might help let natural infections build up the added antibodies with less disease or less serious disease.
That's why it was only the 'hard way,' if it happens.
We had just hoped it wouldn't be with as many diseased, but it looks like that's not the case.
I.e., IgG-predominate mRNA vaccines do NOT sterilize the upper respiratory tract -- where aerosols and droplets form (e.g., spread) by generating IgA antibodies like natural immunity and most recoveries do. So the question is ... how many infections and/or diseased people will it take?
And do mRNA vaccines actually inhibit such?
I.e., the cost of removing most serious disease by boosting blood-bourne IgG antibodies is that we don't built up natural immunity with more IgG antibodies in the tract like if we would have been more seriously diseased and our blood infected as well.
No one knows ... yet. The 3rd grader logic is that mRNA vaccines prevent most infections. They don't. We know that for sure now. We assumed it would be the case, but we know for sure.
The messaging sold everyone that herd immunity was always achievable. It wasn't from Day 1. We knew this was likely the case, but we still had hope. That hope is now proven incorrect, like we thought it might be.
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We'll never know until they stop grouping asymptomatic and symptomatic cases together.
This post has so much incorrect facts on so many levels, that I would not even give you the credit of having the knowledge of a 3rd grader about this topic.
Did you take your medicine today?
We get it Biff. Your vaccine is so good that you're still at risk of getting sick if you're around someone that isn't vaccinated.
That's why I watch the Israelis, their data is excellent. The only problem is that they are virtually all direct mRNA Pfizer.
The UK is next, who has several, but largely direct mRNA Pfizer and the 2-shot Ad6 vector AstraZeneca that isn't comparable to the 1-shot Ad26 J&J (different vector, and 2 shots increase chance of Ad being neturalized).
South Africa is one of the few that are big 1-shot Ad26 J&J, but other than their medical community, statistics are difficult.
Lockdowns don't work beyond 2-4 weeks, especially for a virus that has such an extremely low mortality rate. Too many people watched the movie Contagion, and failed to recognize 2 things ...
1) The mortality rate was orders of magnitude higher (which justified long lockdown), and ...
2) The vaccine was an intranasl, live attenuated virus type, which both sterilized the upper respiratory tract, and emulated natural immunity fighting a live virus.
As far as masks ... I hope not, but ... yeah ... might be the only way we all get exposed and recover with natural immunity. That is assuming, of course, IgG-predominate mRNA vaccines don't inhibit building of such.
But so far, no one has shown one has less IgA/tract anti-bodies by being vaccinated, versus unvaccinated.
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