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Stupid school teacher removes American flag = The board's Usual Suspects are aghast.
Stupid Trumpster insurrectionist beats Capitol policeman over the head with an American flag = The board's Usual Suspects reaction? What's the big f*king deal?
LMAO. Yeah, forget a stupid Trump protester using the American flag as a weapon against a Capitol police officer. Instead, let's all focus on a stupid story about a stupid liberal teacher who reacted to it!!!
One of those people was caught up in a crowd, egged on by the president and acted emotionally in a riot.
The other made a video because she’s proud of herself and wants internet recognition from all the people she knows will support her and applaud her disdain for America.
I’m not excusing the Capitol rioter. Quite the contrary; hopefully they’re prosecuted.
But don’t act like the video doesn’t illustrate the fact that she hates the United States (if the flag makes her uncomfortable I don’t know what other conclusion can be drawn from it) and knows there’s an audience out there that shares that view.
You could have fooled us.
Let me get this straight: A true-blue American can attack the US Capitol because he was "caught up in the crowd," "egged on", and "acted emotionally" while on the other hand, a teacher demonstrated how much she "hates the United States" by taking down the American flag she and her students saw being used as an weapon by a numbskull insurrectionist? WTF?
I already said (twice) that I think both of them are stupid but it's amazing to watch how you excuse one for 'acting emotionally' while blaming the other for essentially doing the same thing. This kind of tunnel vision bullsh!t boogles the mind.
If it was just that. Even I, as a Libertarian, don't see too much of an issue with that. But ...
'She claims she has her students say the Pledge of Allegiance to the pride flag instead.'
This is the difference between a Progressive and a True Liberal.
The True Liberal lets kids opt in or out of what they want to do, and gives them options. That's true freedom.
The Progressive indoctrinates the kids to literally pledge to the one they agree with, even if it's in violation of countless school board principles and the teacher's ethos to encourage free thought and discussion, and not lead the children to the teacher's ideals, let alone political views.
What this teacher is doing is undermining all Christian and national values. Forcing kids to pledge allegiance to sexual depravity is Satan worship.
Thats why leftists embrace it. The mask is off and they are showing their love of evil and destruction.
We saw Trump supporters clad in Red, White, and Blue -- some carrying American flags -- attack the U.S. Capitol.
Call me crazy but isn't that a 'violation of countless principles' the discourages free thought and open political views?
On second thought, naaaaw, that was 'just another day on Capitol Hill.' It's those evil progressives who are the real villains, right Mr. Libertarian?
You’re far too stupid to be a real person.
I made a clear distinction between being caught up, which I said should be prosecuted, and reflecting on a story and then making a video to get internet kudos for it.
She wasn’t acting emotionally, and I made that clear, you moron. That was the whole point of my post. She’s celebrating the fact that she’s getting kids to pledge allegiance to the pride flag.
I don’t give a fück about pride flags really, fly one if it’s important to you. But by removing the American flag and replacing it with a pride flag, she’s actively trying to strip from her students any sense of national pride or national unity. That’s the flag that represents ALL of us.
But she’s not interested in teaching her students what that means. She’s “uncomfortable” with the flag. She doesn’t understand that herself. She’s basically saying she doesn’t have any interest in e pluribus unum. She wants to gather with her people. The people she agrees with… and fûck all you rednecks, conservatives, Christians, or whoever else doesn’t want to pledge allegiance to the rainbow pride flag instead of the American flag.
What’s amazing about you is that you sincerely, earnestly believe that a few hundred people forcing their way into the Capitol on January 6th was a massive assault on American democracy. That that day was the big threat to the country.
Yet you can watch a video where a teacher says she’s teaching her students to fear the American flag and pledge their allegiance not to the nation that unites all of us, but basically to whatever sexual or cultural identity pleases them.
We’re being conquered from within by an ideology that says America itself is a nation we should despise and fear. Once that’s accomplished, nobody will fight for it.
Says the Einstein who made, quote, "a clear distinction" unquote, between an wacko, flag pole-bashing, insurrectionist and a wacko, publicity-seeking, school teacher.
It wasn't? Trump's "Stop the Steal" campaign was fake news?
Nobody will fight FOR America? Boo-hoo. You MIGHT have a little more creditability if you had the same vitriol for all those January 6th idiots who were FIGHTING AGAINST AMERICA as you do for one stupid school teacher who made a stupid Facebook post. Funny how this attack on our freedoms business works.
Just exactly as I said in the last part of my post. You. Don’t. Get. It.Says the Einstein who made, quote, "a clear distinction" unquote, between an wacko, flag pole-bashing, insurrectionist and a wacko, publicity-seeking, school teacher.
It wasn't? Trump's "Stop the Steal" campaign was fake news?
Nobody will fight FOR America? Boo-hoo. You MIGHT have a little more creditability if you had the same vitriol for all those January 6th idiots who were FIGHTING AGAINST AMERICA as you do for one stupid school teacher who made a stupid Facebook post. Funny how this attack on our freedoms business works.
Tell me something, shuck. Why is it that Afghanistan isn’t a strong democracy? I’m sincerely trying to make you see something here.
LOL If you're an example of someone who 'gets it,' Thank God.
Afghanistan isn't a democracy, let alone a strong democracy because its people are only one generation removed from tribalism (if that.) Now enlighten me with what I'm failing to 'see.'
So it’s their culture that would need to change to embrace democracy and a national identity instead of tribalism?LOL If you're an example of someone who 'gets it,' Thank God.
Afghanistan isn't a democracy, let alone a strong democracy because its people are only one generation removed from tribalism (if that.) Now enlighten me with what I'm failing to 'see.'
It's mostly a tribal society with different regions of the country having its own subculture and language. Over 60% of the population is UNDER 25 years of age. It's women are treated like slaves. So you tell me, how's that play into embracing democracy and establishing a 'national' identity?
Yep.
They don’t think of themselves as Afghans, but as part of their tribe.
Now. How might that relate to an eroding sense of being an American? 30 years ago what would you have thought about a school teacher publicly and happily saying the American flag made her uncomfortable and she didn’t want to display it in her class?
That's too far the other way.
The problem is that the teacher is undermining the right to individual values, regardless of what her values are. She needs to be neutral.
I agree completely that the flag should be a simple of unity - not division.
But it leads to me point something out that I think it's important. Watching the Brevard County School board meeting Monday, this anti-mask lady gets up holding a flag and says "Since I'm holding this flag you already know what side of the issue I'm on."
And you know what? She's right. Only one side consistently relies on the flag as a political prop. The correlation isn't what she thinks it is. I disagree with this teacher completely, but her incorrect assumptions on what the flag represents are reinforced daily with right wing images and messaging that co-opts the flag towards political ends.
My gut is to agree with you - but I think it's way harder than it sounds in practice.
How do you establish neutrality when something becomes politicized? Or going the other way, at what point does something transition from "political differences" to accepted truth?
Going way back in time makes it easier create examples not impacted by present day biases. It's hard for me to imagine arguing that a teacher in the 1950's should have neutrally presented the arguments in favor of segregation. In fact, I think teachers with strong opinion - as long as they are engaging in good faith discussion - is healthy for students.
So I don't believe "neutrality" is what we need - it's simply good faith. A teacher and a student should be able to "agree to disagree" on a controversial topic. In fact I'd argue that most of the time those asking for neutrality are those who are losing the broader societal debate.
None of this changes the fact that the teacher in question here is out to to lunch though.
That's the problem with libertarians. They want to be in power but if they got there they'd do nothing with it. It's milquetoast politics that stand for nothing and will excuse away people doing anything they want.
We stand for everything ... freedom, objectivity, neutrality ... especially in state schools.
We understand the duopoly markets that as 'nothing' now, and only use the Constitution when it's in their favor.
Easily ... by not countering it by introducing something just as wrong.
Having the children pledge to the Pride Flag pretty much nails that dead wrong.
And, thus, we have a perfect example of why Libertarians, when we have a serious issue with the GOP and Conservatives, cannot just turn around and support the DNC and Progressives.
We're the only, actual Liberals left in this country.
Once upon a time, the Confederate Flag was perceived (by me) as a Southern heritage, "good ole boy" kind of thing (i.e. Dukes of Hazzard, NASCAR, etc.) But when I moved to the South, I got a better sense of what it really stood for and why it -- along with Confederate General statues -- needed to go bye-bye for good.
In my opinion we are still FAR AWAY from tarnishing our American Flag, but when a group of wacko insurrectionists attack our Capitol and we watch in horror as an American Flag pole is used as a weapon against a Capitol police officer, what are people -- especially kids -- supposed to think?
I don't condone the school teacher's action but given the wackos who invaded the Capitol on January 6th to "Stop the Steal" sporting their Confederate AND American Flags, its understandable why some might be 'uncomfortable' with how its being politicalized.
This is why most Progressives are like Born Again Christians, they are excessively repenting their earlier ignorance.
Modern Progressives are the like the Gore-voting Republican of Boomers and Gen-X ... they started life as anti-equality, pro-hypocrisy, and continued right through DOMA and the 'Against My Religion' statements of Obama and Hillary in 2008 (only 1 DNC primary candidate was pro-equality that year, and hastily removed).
To me ... it's all Statism.
For us Libertarians -- not that we condone such -- but had they done it a week earlier, when the duopoly was passing a special interest bill as 'sending checks to taxpayers' that didn't send 85% of the money to them, then that would have been anti-Statism.
But rushing the Capitol over Trump was just another form of Statism, no different that the Progressives pushing an agenda that even my Scandinavian colleagues recognize is more privileged Marxism than actual, European style socialism.
So the Pride Flag can be mandated by the teacher?! Seriously?!
The teacher is inserting her own values, which is what teachers should never do. It's one thing to remove the American flag. That's a good debate if it should be in the classroom or not. But this is really getting tiresome on teachers literally taking away freedom, and indoctrinating kids into their own value systems.
How much of that is a reaction to schools propping up foreign flags in the name of diversity while banning the American flag? Or groups saying that the American flag is a symbol of oppression and hatred and whatever other evil they think of? At some point, you’re going to get people who are proud of their country and the opportunities it offers that are going to push back.
Looking at your point from the other direction, why is it that the left doesn’t engage in outright displays of patriotism anymore and seems to stigmatize those that do?
So the correct response is to fight against other people appropriating the flag for political purposes, not to toss the flag in the trash.
The Jan 6th people and their fascist organizers recognize the power of symbols. By co-opting the flag for themselves, they trick people like this teacher into disassociating herself with the flag, fulfilling their own prophecy that these people "hate what America stands for." It's a viscious feedback loop.
Every time you empathize and enable that kind of thinking, you are 100% feeding into their political strategy.
This is a fantastic point. I don't want this to be a chicken/egg problem. Both extremes feed off each other. Whichever came first, they exist and grow in harmony with each other.
Patriotism: I think this could be 100 page thread that I'd be all over.
For reasons beyond this reply, right-wing extremism tends to be very nationalistic. That nationalism is packaged to the public as patriotism. Generally speaking, strong public displays of patriotism are the result of some external factors. Think WWII, post 9-11, or a decent World Cup squad. Those were moments when the nation united around patriotic themes against a perceived common enemy or some national triumph. But they are fleeting.
The normal state of existence for rational, pragmatic Americans is not a perpetual state of patriotic exuberance. So to a large chunk of Americans, perpetual patriotism starts to look a lot like nationalism. So post 9/11 we're all waving flags as a sign of unity and uniting against a common enemy.
In today's day and age, Jan 6th looked like a patriotic gathering visually. But was the common enemy Nazi's or Bin Laden? No. The enemy was Americans they disagree with. So inherently, this use of patriotic imagery is divisive since the perceived enemy is internal - not external.
For example, do lefties show up to US Soccer matches decked out in patriotic gear? Yup. There's no inherent issue with the patriotic displays. It's a question of whether the displays are meant to unite ALL Americans or if they are meant to divide by creating internal enemies.
Let's hope this teacher get shown the door. And, when she steps through it, someone will slam the door in her face; maybe that will knock some sense into her.
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