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Fast forward...Now Biden provided them our military equipment and they are now running victory parades in our equipment. What a failure! A terrorist organization is now in charge.
I'm curious. What did you expect to happen when you were telling the board you wanted the US military out of Afghanistan?
 
Fast forward...Now Biden provided them our military equipment and they are now running victory parades in our equipment. What a failure! A terrorist organization is now in charge.
So should we send more troops and keep fighting? Should we take ALL of the Afghan refugees and bring them to the U.S? You fake outrage is comical.
 
Fast forward...Now Biden provided them our military equipment and they are now running victory parades in our equipment. What a failure! A terrorist organization is now in charge.

And in those twenty years they obviously werent defeated, so what is your answer? Another 20 years?
 
For Afghanistan it was peaceful for a while. 2,500 service men in the region to have the entire area secure seems obvious. The reason every other president couldn't get out, but the cost was relative to security. We can agree other countries should be chipping in but the US is terrible at that.

The entire area was not secure, you are simply wrong. THe Taliban had already been making strides throughout the country and had been doing so for years. This was quite simply a situation where whenever we left, this was going to happen. So either we never leave, and quite honestly even bring in more troops to stop the Taliban since they were already gaining territory, or we leave and just hope the Afghan government can maintain some control, which obviously they could not.
 
The dementia patient just let the terrorist group we fought against have our weapons. We only had 2500 troops. We have Pakistan with nukes next store. This is not good for stability
Weird. I don't recall your outrage when Orange Man negotiated a withdrawal with the terrorist group we fought against. Apparently what's 'good for stability' changes with the occupant of the WH. :rolleyes:
 
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I keep hearing about the weapons we left behind. Why are the Taliban bitching about all the helicopters that don't fly and the weapons and other vehicles being disabled?


if it is the weapons we gave their armed forces, I don't see what we could do...
 
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The entire area was not secure, you are simply wrong. THe Taliban had already been making strides throughout the country and had been doing so for years. This was quite simply a situation where whenever we left, this was going to happen. So either we never leave, and quite honestly even bring in more troops to stop the Taliban since they were already gaining territory, or we leave and just hope the Afghan government can maintain some control, which obviously they could not.
It’s not about the Taliban taking control. It’s about the way in which we exited.
 
I keep hearing about the weapons we left behind. Why are the Taliban bitching about all the helicopters that don't fly and the weapons and other vehicles being disabled?


if it is the weapons we gave their armed forces, I don't see what we could do...
Almost every weapon system more complex than a rifle has a “kill switch” that allows it to be disabled and destroys the sensitive bits if you have to abandon it. The people worrying about us leaving helicopters and other major systems are going on about nothing. But, given the expense of those systems, it seems pretty damn wasteful to not have a plan to bring those back home. There are some things that don’t make sense to carry back, but millions of dollars of systems seems more like ineptitude than necessity. Or rather, necessity caused by either ineptitude or avarice.
 
It’s not about the Taliban taking control. It’s about the way in which we exited.
Of course it is about the Taliban taking control, if the Afghan government and military had held up, this wouldn't be an issue.
 
Of course it is about the Taliban taking control, if the Afghan government and military had held up, this wouldn't be an issue.
The people I know and the ones I read are far more concerned about the Charlie Foxtrot departure that left American citizens in jeopardy with no way to get home than any sunk cost with the Taliban. Sure, the Taliban taking over the country is a big disappointment, but that is not what we’re all furious with this Administration about. It’s the wanton and reckless disregard for American lives and those of people that aided us, at great risk, in order to meet a purely political deadline, in spite of counsel otherwise, that is so appalling.
 
The people I know and the ones I read are far more concerned about the Charlie Foxtrot departure that left American citizens in jeopardy with no way to get home than any sunk cost with the Taliban. Sure, the Taliban taking over the country is a big disappointment, but that is not what we’re all furious with this Administration about. It’s the wanton and reckless disregard for American lives and those of people that aided us, at great risk, in order to meet a purely political deadline, in spite of counsel otherwise, that is so appalling.

But the two things are related. If the Afghan army could have held their ground for any amount of time, then the exit would have obviously gone much differently.
 
that is not what we’re all furious with this Administration about. It’s the wanton and reckless disregard for American lives and those of people that aided us, at great risk, in order to meet a purely political deadline, in spite of counsel otherwise, that is so appalling.
Yeah, this is SO much different than when we abandoned the Kurds. You know, people that aided us at great risk. :rolleyes:
 
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