another tragic day. 7 reported dead as of now. suspect was shot. we will likely know more later tonight and into tomorrow.
NYC terror attack
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It was a matter of time before our own asshole jihadis realized they could use a truck on any given city street
8 confirmed dead. Dozenplus injured.
Terrorist came to the US in 2010. Rented Home Depot Truck in Jersey Ciry, NJ.
Horrific. Targeting a school bus?
Terrorist is listed in grave condition after cop (s) from 1st Precinct "lit him up" after he got out of the truck yelling "Allah Akbar".
Front of truck is demolished...which reveals the horrific "mowing down" of humans that caused that damage.
Smashed bicycles liter the crime scene
Terrorist came to the US in 2010. Rented Home Depot Truck in Jersey Ciry, NJ.
Horrific. Targeting a school bus?
Terrorist is listed in grave condition after cop (s) from 1st Precinct "lit him up" after he got out of the truck yelling "Allah Akbar".
Front of truck is demolished...which reveals the horrific "mowing down" of humans that caused that damage.
Smashed bicycles liter the crime scene
The guy needs to be fed bologna sandwiches while he recovers and continue the same diet until he is fried. Edit: F that, death penalty was abolished in NY
It could be considered a federal terrorist attack so federal laws would be instituted so death penalty should be on the table.
kind of funny that trump was specifically against the program that had him come to this country. sad it was blocked from keeping us safe by some judges that think they are the ones that make the laws. imo, the blood is on the judges hands. they should be held accountable.
Just wondering why you never make a similar post whenever a white dude shoots up a bunch of people?
the dude literally had a note pledging himself to ISIS like many of the other terror attacks weve seen before.
I know from your past posts that you are not capable of understanding the difference between Daesh and Islam. If you don't mind I'd like to keep this between myself and the guy I asked the question to. Thanks.
wondering if all those white dudes that killed people had something in common like being fanatics to a particular religion? wasnt aware of catholics killing people in jesus' name...
I literally can't. Please, for your sake, just stop before I embarrass you even more. You really should have listened to my first request.
Because, statistically, it only happens 1/13th of the time. That statistic might be "politically incorrect," but when it's virtually a 50/50 Muslim/Non-Muslim, and Non-Muslims make up 13x more of the country than Muslims, then it's just a hard fact.
And that's the thing.
It also goes back to the 6 (now 7, and possibly even more expanding) countries identified by DHS, first implemented by Obama in Executive Order in 2011, attempted to be expanded by Congress in 2015 (passed only by the House) and further put to Execute Order by Trump in 2017.
It's not a left-right thing.
It's not an immigration thing.
It's a "who should we be allowing into this country" thing.
Even the Liberal leaning courts aren't against these orders or laws. They just want DHS and the administration to justify them. From a civics standpoint, as a Libertarian, I have to agree with that. If DHS can show the statistics, then it's not a bad move. If DHS cannot, then they cannot treat any country different than any other.
This works the same, and in the opposite direction, with gun ban laws too.
The DC gun ban was overturned because DC couldn't prove why the 2nd Amendment should not apply for public safety reasons. The Supreme Court of the state of New York is taking its legislators and AG to court for the same thing, prove why the 2nd Amendment has to be limited in ways the federal does not. Give us statistics.
The US has been built on immigration. Prove there is a real threat, statistically, and they'll listen.
It's not a left-right thing.
It's not an immigration thing.
It's a "who should we be allowing into this country" thing.
Even the Liberal leaning courts aren't against these orders or laws. They just want DHS and the administration to justify them. From a civics standpoint, as a Libertarian, I have to agree with that. If DHS can show the statistics, then it's not a bad move. If DHS cannot, then they cannot treat any country different than any other.
This works the same, and in the opposite direction, with gun ban laws too.
The DC gun ban was overturned because DC couldn't prove why the 2nd Amendment should not apply for public safety reasons. The Supreme Court of the state of New York is taking its legislators and AG to court for the same thing, prove why the 2nd Amendment has to be limited in ways the federal does not. Give us statistics.
The US has been built on immigration. Prove there is a real threat, statistically, and they'll listen.
From my understanding, the alleged is Uzbek (from Uzbekistan). This is similar to Chechnya ... former Soviet bloc, radical Muslim populations. This is becoming a real issue. They are also breeding grounds and mouthpieces for radicalizing American youths.
We have to face this reality.
Doesn't mean we ban everyone from Uzbekistan.
After all, no way would I want to not see Milana Vayntrub in the US (long time crush for me). Of course, she is Uzbek too, although Jewish, her family escaping the Muslim radicalism in Uzbekistan (guys like this alleged mass murder). But if you listen to the MSM, we're supposed to let everyone in the same. No, that's not true of the US State Department ... it's based on persecution.
Ethnic groups that are the ones cleansing and radicalizing should be scrutinized from gaining US entry, as long as DHS makes that case in the courts. There is no "civil right" that non-citizens, non-residents have to "Visas." Not only do we purposely show preferential treatment to those being prosecuted, but just like the EU and other nations, we will deter people that belong to a class that has been identified for genocide.
There can be a case to denying entry to groups of people based on their origins and ethnic background, and the MSM needs to understand that is reality. And yes, it's very legal profiling ... sorry, politically incorrect, but true.
If you're a citizen or legal resident, that's different. That's what got the original Trump Executive Order into hot water, because it didn't protect legal citizens and residents, as it should. But let's get one thing clear ... the MSM has some really screwed up civics in their minds.
The "lottery" this Uzbek "won" is part of the problem too.
After all, no way would I want to not see Milana Vayntrub in the US (long time crush for me). Of course, she is Uzbek too, although Jewish, her family escaping the Muslim radicalism in Uzbekistan (guys like this alleged mass murder). But if you listen to the MSM, we're supposed to let everyone in the same. No, that's not true of the US State Department ... it's based on persecution.
Ethnic groups that are the ones cleansing and radicalizing should be scrutinized from gaining US entry, as long as DHS makes that case in the courts. There is no "civil right" that non-citizens, non-residents have to "Visas." Not only do we purposely show preferential treatment to those being prosecuted, but just like the EU and other nations, we will deter people that belong to a class that has been identified for genocide.
There can be a case to denying entry to groups of people based on their origins and ethnic background, and the MSM needs to understand that is reality. And yes, it's very legal profiling ... sorry, politically incorrect, but true.
If you're a citizen or legal resident, that's different. That's what got the original Trump Executive Order into hot water, because it didn't protect legal citizens and residents, as it should. But let's get one thing clear ... the MSM has some really screwed up civics in their minds.
The "lottery" this Uzbek "won" is part of the problem too.
People who make the wrong civics arguments undo our actual civic protection, which is why the MSM is undoing our Libertarianism. They base it on their "protected classes," instead of civics.
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If these white dudes were zealously following the same religion then I would. Haven't heard a single one of these whiteys shouting praise Jesus as they kill innocents. But every damn one of the Muslims shout the same thing as they mow down innocent folk. To sum up...the whiteys are crazy loners. The terrorists are members of the same religion which specifically encouraged them to carry out these heinous acts. Never once heard my Baptist pastor tell anyone to murder anyone. But the Muslim leaders tell their followers to kill us. Can you undertand the difference dipchit?
Wow. I honestly thought higher of lawyers until just now.
Still obsessed I see. It's cute. But please try to stop shitting on this board with your unnatural obsession with me.
In just recent years, Robert L Dear comes to mind (he was later ruled incompetent to stand trial).
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Springs_Planned_Parenthood_shooting
I.e., many Muslims would also argue that gunning down Americans for their tolerance of foreign policy that harms or kills Muslims is similar to the charge of Christians who kill those associated with birth control, let alone abortions, that harms, let alone kills, babies.
Well, let's note one thing ... Christian Extremists are just one type of, often, "White Supremacists." Dylan Roof definitely comes to mind (although his actions ended up having the far opposite effect).
I would argue the problem is that "institutionalized violence" is the bigger issue, and doesn't require religion at all.
In fact, one of the very scariest statistics of Millennials, ones that do not believe in any religion, actually does believe violence is justified in combating social injustice, up to 25% in some polls.
That's unlike non-religious Gen-X'ers (Iet alone Baby Boomers, who have a far smaller number of non-religious), who almost all still believe any violence is not justified in the case of combating social injustice.
This is one of the major reasons even W. didn't want to make it about the Islamic faith, but more about the societies where people are raised. In that same regard, the mainstream US media has raised a lot of Millennials to believe violence is justified against even non-violent acts.
apparently this guy was questioned for a connection to a couple terrorists back in 2015. guess he was all good and helped to bring in 23 more people into this country...
trump is right, this crap needs to be stopped. we need a better vetting process.
trump is right, this crap needs to be stopped. we need a better vetting process.
He "won" the "lottery" before then, and he was a legal resident, fully entitled to his civil rights. That's the part we can do little about, once someone is let in.
This is why I keep telling the Progressives that they have to be far, far more tactful. They are tripping up way, way too much on their own shoelaces.
Yes people, relatives and friends of legal residents still need to be vetted.
BULLSHIT.
As a permanent resident you can only bring in your wife and U-21 kids (with the diversity visa they may come with you). Once you become a US citizen, you can apply to bring your parents, adult sons and daughters, and siblings but those categories are 13 years behind. Unless he brought 3 wives and 20 kids, there is no way he brought in 23 people. He probably showed some other people how to complete the forms and mail them but I don't think that qualifies as "helped to bring people into this country"
In short, unless is your underage kids and wife, it takes about 20 years to bring another person into the country. BTW, if you are Chinese, Indian, Mexican, or Filipino it will take you 30 years. I don't think chain immigration is a problem
Why aren't you guys talking about yet another white male shooting up a Wal-Mart in Colorado?
when a Tampa NBC affiliate refers to USF as 'Jihad U' 
http://wfla.com/2017/11/01/usf-has-no-ties-to-terrorism-now-but-has-in-the-past/
http://wfla.com/2017/11/01/usf-has-no-ties-to-terrorism-now-but-has-in-the-past/
when a Tampa NBC affiliate refers to USF as 'Jihad U'
http://wfla.com/2017/11/01/usf-has-no-ties-to-terrorism-now-but-has-in-the-past/
Haha love it. I made a sign that said "Jihad U" (with the U being their ovary looking USF symbol) back during the first USF game at our on campus stadium. Don't think I made it on TV.
This is my experience as well, got a guy in my unit who was stationed in Japan, been trying to bring his Filipino fiance over for nearly a year now, zero progress.
Yep, the military gets screwed the most.
The best way to get into the US is to get a Visa and overstay. It's sad, but true.
It happened a day later ... and it's not New York. New York gets priority. Just how news works, sadly.
Although the shooter fled too quickly. There were several, armed shoppers in the store. Had he picked one of them ... might have ended quite differently.
Although if you watch the news, they are saying those armed people 'delayed' identifying the shooter. No, the police actually have to verify who actually shot someone -- not just who had a gun -- any way. But that's the news for you. They assume anyone with a gun in a criminal.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eals-NY-terror-suspect-brought-23-people.html
i dont know how reliable the information is, but they are reporting it.
'This man that came in – or whatever you want to call him – brought in, with him, other people,' the president said at the White House today. 'And he was a point, he was the point of contact – the primary point of contact for, and this is preliminarily – 23 people that came in, or potentially came in with him.'
Given that you just quoted the daily mail who is quoting Trump I think it's safe to say it is somewhere below 0% accurate.
Nice source they have there. We all know the guy is a moron that doesn't know what he is talking about.
"Point of Contact"? WTF is that? I am guessing 23 people came with visitor visas and used his address for the question: "Address where you'll be staying during your trip"
Although there is debate regarding the details of the '23 number,' understand some of Trump's arguments may have bi-partisan support.
"Diversity Visa Lottery: Inside the Program That Admitted a Terror Suspect"
- https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/01/us/diversity-visa-lottery.html
So while I understand there is the counter-knee-jerk reaction to the knee-jerk reaction by the President, as always with Trump, his statements are based on some truth -- of varying degrees (including virtually none) -- and in this one case, it could be a lot of truth. As always, it's important not to just disagree with something because it comes from Trump, but to ensure it is something to actually disagree with. I'm sure Schumer is tactifully crafting his response, and it will be interesting to see what happens.
"Diversity Visa Lottery: Inside the Program That Admitted a Terror Suspect"
- https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/01/us/diversity-visa-lottery.html
"Mr. Trump’s comment — and his attack on Senator Chuck Schumer, the New York Democrat who was instrumental in creating the program in 1990 — threw a spotlight on the lottery, a small part of the overall immigration system that nonetheless has been criticized by members of both parties. Mr. Schumer, in fact, was among senators proposing to end it several years ago
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The program has been marred by fraud. One year an applicant submitted more than 2,000 entries. Other winners have sold themselves for marriage to bring a spouse to the United States."
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The program has been marred by fraud. One year an applicant submitted more than 2,000 entries. Other winners have sold themselves for marriage to bring a spouse to the United States."
So while I understand there is the counter-knee-jerk reaction to the knee-jerk reaction by the President, as always with Trump, his statements are based on some truth -- of varying degrees (including virtually none) -- and in this one case, it could be a lot of truth. As always, it's important not to just disagree with something because it comes from Trump, but to ensure it is something to actually disagree with. I'm sure Schumer is tactifully crafting his response, and it will be interesting to see what happens.
SIDE NOTE: There are always a lot of laws on the books that have become ripe for abuse. Which is why many of us (I'll refrain from using the "L" word) want to do away with a lot of them in general, and simplify most of the codes in this nation. If any President does that, wholesale, they'll have my vote overnight. Also, as an IEEE-USA Chapter member, I also strongly believe in merit-based immigration, because right now we're denying a lot of entry to potential, enriching, future Americans, while we accommodate others who are granted amnesty, which is not only completely unfair, but detrimental to the future of the US' competitiveness.
