Obama and Liberals Need to STFU about deporting illegals

[btbones]

We have a very large immigrant population in my area. Most go through the process correctly but yes there are plenty of illegals. On a field trip with my daughters 5th grade class we and a couple other parents helped pay for the day at Islands of Adventure for a couple of kids. You see their mothers are legal but their fathers were not. Their fathers worked every day and never were in trouble with the law. Immigration busted down the door of their home , took the 2 men and deported them . It happens fairly often. But you hypocrites like to come out and rant against Donald trump because he wants to deport these very same people. It's different because Obama is doing it I guess in your mind. Now tell me more about your love for illegal aliens.

 

[Poolside Knight]

President Obama promised Immigration Reform before his 1st year was over in office. He had a majority and never attempted to get it done till his 2nd term when the Republicans took back the House. Why? Bc Democrats need that wedge issue to stay in place during National Elections. At least most Republicans aren't hypocrites on the issue, Hillary is making all these promises and she'll probably continue the same deportations that Obama is carrying out

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...on_we_are_a_nation_of_laws.html#disqus_thread

 

[UCFWayne]

I would like Obama more if he ramped up the deportations.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

I would like Obama more if he deported his own arrogant ass.

 

[btbones]

Just remember Donald Trump hates Hispanics because he wants to deport the illegals

 

[Jedi.Knight]

Sorry, but I wouldn't have paid for sh!t. No one is entitled to a field trip to Islands of Adventure and i'm sure there were other children that couldn't make the trip for the very same reason. Plus, you and your taxes are already paying for illegal immigrant kids' education, "free" lunch, and bus rides to the tune of $14,000 per year, per child. Staying back at the school for an extra day of ESOL classes would have benefited them much more than taking selfies with the Minions.

 

[Jedi.Knight]

I would like Obama more if he ramped up the deportations.

Yeah, starting with himself.

 

[btbones]

These kids are in a gifted class and don't need ESOL . We did it because they are good kids and all the kids are friends .

 

[Jedi.Knight]

Hope your kids are bilingual because if not those nice friendly illegal immigrant kids will be cracking the whip on them one day in the workplace. And "good" kids can turn bad real fast especially when it's an us vs them scenario.

 

[btbones]

My kids aren't bilingual yet but they will be soon enough

 

[Jedi.Knight]

Send them all back . . . NOW!!!

 

[UCFBS]

The Liberals are Authoritative Special Interest now.
Even Bernie Sanders has been calling them out on that.

Trump ... gasp ... actually agrees with Bernie on stapling Green Cards to diplomas, and other things.
But if you only know the "media" Trump, you assume everything.

It's going to be an interesting election.

 

[MACHater02]

2040 can't get here fast enough.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

2040 can't get here fast enough.

Got something planned?

 

[Good Knight Sweetheart]

Sorry, but I wouldn't have paid for sh!t. No one is entitled to a field trip to Islands of Adventure and i'm sure there were other children that couldn't make the trip for the very same reason. Plus, you and your taxes are already paying for illegal immigrant kids' education, "free" lunch, and bus rides to the tune of $14,000 per year, per child. Staying back at the school for an extra day of ESOL classes would have benefited them much more than taking selfies with the Minions.

Of course you would assume those kids don't speak English fluently, without knowing anything about them.
Rolls eyes.

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[Jedi.Knight]

Of course you would assume those kids don't speak English fluently, without knowing anything about them.
Rolls eyes.

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Doesn't matter. Any illegal immigrant kid -- whether speaking with broken English or able to quote Shakespeare superfluously -- is just another drain on the American taxpayer.

 

[UCFBS]

Of course you would assume those kids don't speak English fluently, without knowing anything about them.
Rolls eyes..

Doesn't matter. Any illegal immigrant kid -- whether speaking with broken English or able to quote Shakespeare superfluously -- is just another drain on the American taxpayer.

And here we have the problem, in action. One side and another side.

Until we start focusing on the real issues, and looking forward, we'll never solve the problem. The hard working immigrant has always been the lifeblood of the US. Unfortunately, we make it so hard for them, and yet so easy for others, and their dependents.

How do we solve it? All one way or assumptions of another, never do.

 

[Jedi.Knight]

And here we have the problem, in action. One side and another side.

Until we start focusing on the real issues, and looking forward, we'll never solve the problem. The hard working illegal immigrant has always been the lifeblood of the US. Unfortunately, we make it so hard for them, and yet so easy for others, and their dependents.

How do we solve it? All one way or assumptions of another, never do.

I believe you forgot a VERY important word in your response. I've taken the liberty to add bold highlight since so many people seem incapable of registering that one simple fact.

 

[Jedi.Knight]

I'm sorry, but illegal immigration is a very real issue.

• Lower income blacks, whites, and hispanic U.S. citizens not able to find landscaping and construction work due to illegals.
• $17,000 per year spent to educate and take care of illegal immigrant children (hard working retirees only receive $14K per year for Social Security)
• The return of TB, measles, and other diseases that eradicated here decades ago
• increased gang violence not only in Southern California, but in other areas like Nashville
• Needless rapes and murders from criminal elements like MS-13
• Increased competition and rejection for jobs in the future because of the need to be bilingual

....... and the list goes on and on and on and on.

 

[UCFBS]

I believe you forgot a VERY important word in your response. I've taken the liberty to add bold highlight since so many people seem incapable of registering that one simple fact.

The term "illegal" is the key!

How do we keep the "illegals" that make American great, and reward them with eventual citizenship? And ship out the ones that are literally here to drain the system ... or worse ... bring violence?

With people like yourself on the right, with those on the left who naturally assume "illegals" are always good (let alone a great voter option -- yes, left, the statistics are under-reported), just WTF do you think is going to get solved with such 8 year-old arguments?

My #1 issue is with the organized crime built around the illegals, something I wish the right would focus on (Trump actually is, and as is even Sanders), instead of all illegals, and back the lefties into the corner. Because the lefties are more than happy to continue supporting amnesty cities that hide the most violent offenders.

Because the best hit man in the US is an "undocumented resident" operating out of the amnesty cities, and the crime syndicates are moving north to them for that reason!

Now ... that's before we also address and preferring those who are trying to get in "legally."

The few, the proud, an educated Libertarian who actually gets his info from CBP agents on-the-ground ... instead of the left and right-wing media. Although the CBP union now actually and openly supporting Trump does indicate Trump is more than just what the media makes him out to be.

And the left doesn't "get that" yet.

SIDE NOTE: Now it is rather hypocritical for the left to complain about farmers and militia "wasting taxpayer dollars" by "using public lands" and say "they should be taken by force," but not want the same to illegal immigrants guilty of repeat fraud at the tax payers expense. But even Florida (Bush on-ward) and New Mexico (Johnson on-ward) use a "1 strike rule" on fraud, allowing illegal immigrants who don't to eventually gain citizenship, and be documented. The "carrot stick" that keeps them working with law enforcement, instead of avoiding them and into the hands of organized crime. The left and right-wing media don't get that, and to our peril.

 

[UCFBS]

I'm sorry, but illegal immigration is a very real issue.
• Lower income blacks, whites, and hispanic U.S. citizens not able to find landscaping and construction work due to illegals.

Agreed! So ... how do we address this? Deportation is only going to cost more.

• $17,000 per year spent to educate and take care of illegal immigrant children (hard working retirees only receive $14K per year for Social Security)

Agreed!

• The return of TB, measles, and other diseases that eradicated here decades ago

Okay, this is the same argument the left uses on anti-Vax'ers. Reality? It's a combination of ...

• Antibiotic age and overuse -- resulting in antibiotic resistant bacteria
  
• Lack of immunization -- both Anti-Vax'ers and under-vaccinated Illegals
• Various lifestyles and practices, herding in houses, etc...

• increased gang violence not only in Southern California, but in other areas like Nashville

Okay, now you're talking! Organized crime.

But which is better ...

• Illegals trusting law enforcement?
• Or having illegals running from the law, right into the hands of organized crime?

Yes, I'm tired of the left denying that drugs and guns don't run north on the backs of illegals aka "undocumented residents." The organized crime syndicates are human trafficking as well. But why can't the right focus primary on this?!

• Needless rapes and murders from criminal elements like MS-13

As before.

Trump was originally (and purposely) misquoted by the media when he was talking about the organized crime syndicates, because of a friend of a friend. But when the media twisted it, Trump went purposely anti-PC and utterly found a new support base. People who hate the media.

Now look where he's at. The media calls him a racist. Sexist, yes, racist ... ah, no, just very, very anti-PC. Heck, Trump doesn't even need to say something, they'll ask him something, and twist it (Abortion) ... if he heard you correctly at all on the phone call (David Duke). That's only driving more people to support him.

I'm voting Gary Johnson, former New Mexico governor -- another border state -- that solved this, and built a blue collar business before that. But I totally understand why people are voting Trump. He's utterly anti-media, although that scares me in reverse. Not Trump per-se, but the US media has reached the point where the American public hates them so much.

• Increased competition and rejection for jobs in the future because of the need to be bilingual

Well, the US is becoming bi-lingual. Sorry to say that, but it is. If you're limiting yourself to only English, well, that's on you.

Yes, immigrants should want to speak English, no argument. Worse yet, my wife's name is "Lourdes" and she sometimes get cursed at because she's not fluent -- even by UCF's own administrative staff in a couple of cases.

But the problem you speak of is not because of illegals. It's because American teachers aren't bi-lingual, complicating the problem in education. Otherwise, if we were like ... say ... Quebec, it would be a non-issue. You learn both, because it's long been both bi-lingual English and French.

Although I'm all for preferential, early citizenship for those who speak English fluently and hold down productive jobs. That's not racist, and I'm tired of the left saying it is. It's productive, simple reality.

....... and the list goes on and on and on and on.

And the right-wing needs to focus on what's important ... like crime.

 

[therightknight]

I would like Obama more if he deported his own arrogant ass.

The Kenyan born animal needs to go.

 

[MACHater02]

The Kenyan born animal needs to go.

Bob, posts like this are why I can't wait for 2040.

 

[UCFBS]

The Kenyan born animal needs to go.

Why do you have to go there? He's the civilian, elected President of the United States, and he's proved enough that he is a natural-born US citizen. Maybe it was fraud. Maybe it was a lot of things. We'll likely find out for sure, either way, in 50 years. But until then, he is a natural-born citizen.

You guys on the right complain about the media not focusing on the problem, and distracting with PC non-sense? That's you guys on the right doing the same in reverse. Take issues with the President's policies, not the man. Work the problem if you feel the President is the problem, instead of the man.

Seriously. Make a case similar to Dinesh D'Souza, that he's anti-imperialist, and looks at the US with content, based on Anglo-Franco imperialism. I don't agree with everything D'Souza says, but he very much does hit on some key points that I do feel are true about the President. He really is the conservative version of Michael Moore. But I feel the President has the absolute wrong attitude at times, and does come off more like a Kenyan "who was wronged" and constantly apologizing for a country he actually holds in contempt.

It's the same complaint I have about the First Lady as well.

 

[Sir Galahad]

Sorry, but I wouldn't have paid for sh!t. No one is entitled to a field trip to Islands of Adventure and i'm sure there were other children that couldn't make the trip for the very same reason. Plus, you and your taxes are already paying for illegal immigrant kids' education, "free" lunch, and bus rides to the tune of $14,000 per year, per child. Staying back at the school for an extra day of ESOL classes would have benefited them much more than taking selfies with the Minions.

Never blame a child for their parents actions. That goes for every child which is why I have always supported universal health care for everyone UNDER the age of 18.

 

[therightknight]

Why do you have to go there? He's the civilian, elected President of the United States, and he's proved enough that he is a natural-born US citizen. Maybe it was fraud. Maybe it was a lot of things. We'll likely find out for sure, either way, in 50 years. But until then, he is a natural-born citizen.

You guys on the right complain about the media not focusing on the problem, and distracting with PC non-sense? That's you guys on the right doing the same in reverse. Take issues with the President's policies, not the man. Work the problem if you feel the President is the problem, instead of the man.

Seriously. Make a case similar to Dinesh D'Souza, that he's anti-imperialist, and looks at the US with content, based on Anglo-Franco imperialism. I don't agree with everything D'Souza says, but he very much does hit on some key points that I do feel are true about the President. He really is the conservative version of Michael Moore. But I feel the President has the absolute wrong attitude at times, and does come off more like a Kenyan "who was wronged" and constantly apologizing for a country he actually holds in contempt.

It's the same complaint I have about the First Lady as well.

Hey Medved..didn't your show end around 6?

Why don't you go review a movie or something.

 

[1ofTheseKnights]

Kenyan born animal - Lolz

 

[Jedi.Knight]

Funny, there was this girl in high school named Lourdes, but everyone used to call her lard ass. Her name was the comedy gift that just kept on giving.

 

[Jedi.Knight]

Never blame a child for their parents actions. That goes for every child which is why I have always supported universal health care for everyone UNDER the age of 18.

But what about the 68,000 cucarachas that made their way up here all by themselves back in 2014 and another 70,000 "unaccompanied minors" estimated this summer? No parents, no guilt in sending those mf'ers back, right?

 

[UCFKnight85]

I'll bite-

what does the deportation of 2 people have to do with deporting 11M people?

 

[btbones]

I'll bite-

what does the deportation of 2 people have to do with deporting 11M people?

It's not just 2 people though . It's 2 families being torn apart . This is the liberal line about deporting illegals yet the current administration does it regularly and it isn't discussed by them . I'm just pointing out hypocrisy , nothing more really . But if you deport just a few who decides who has to go back ?

 

[goodknightfl]

The first step is sealing the border, than worry about those here. Stop the bleeding before you clean up the wound.

 

[MACHater02]

It's not just 2 people though . It's 2 families being torn apart . This is the liberal line about deporting illegals yet the current administration does it regularly and it isn't discussed by them . I'm just pointing out hypocrisy , nothing more really . But if you deport just a few who decides who has to go back ?

I love how you all make up the liberal view so that you can argue with it. We've always deported those who are caught. That doesn't mean the system doesn't need to change. It obviously isn't working as desired. I know some of the big farm owners in Florida are Republican and they sure as hell don't want a crack down on illegal immigration, but you don't bring that up.

 

[1ofTheseKnights]

The first step is sealing the border, than worry about those here. Stop the bleeding before you clean up the wound.

Yet aren't you still not aboard the Trump Train?

 

[fabknight]

I love how you all make up the liberal view so that you can argue with it. We've always deported those who are caught. That doesn't mean the system doesn't need to change. It obviously isn't working as desired. I know some of the big farm owners in Florida are Republican and they sure as hell don't want a crack down on illegal immigration, but you don't bring that up.

I think it's well known that establishment politicians on both sides enjoy the status quo on immigration since it's been discussed here several times. Dems like a larger voting base and illegals will gladly take all the free shit they can which the Dems will happily give away for votes while the Republicans with the crony capitalism and big business driving the regulating and legislation processes will gladly take all the cheap labor they can get.

 

[fabknight]

Yet aren't you still not aboard the Trump Train?

Choo, choo!!

 

[btbones]

I love how you all make up the liberal view so that you can argue with it. We've always deported those who are caught. That doesn't mean the system doesn't need to change. It obviously isn't working as desired. I know some of the big farm owners in Florida are Republican and they sure as hell don't want a crack down on illegal immigration, but you don't bring that up.

I am involved in agribusiness here and have always advocated stopping the illegal flow while taking those who are working and productive and getting them on work visas and the like , adding them to the tax base . But my point is valid . You can't talk shit about not busting up families in nice speeches ripping Donald Trump and other republicans and then do exactly that and not be called a hypocrite . It's the very definition . So don't start the you republican bullshit with me please

 

[Whataknight]

ITT == President shouldn't enforce laws on books

 

[MACHater02]

I am involved in agribusiness here and have always advocated stopping the illegal flow while taking those who are working and productive and getting them on work visas and the like , adding them to the tax base . But my point is valid . You can't talk shit about not busting up families in nice speeches ripping Donald Trump and other republicans and then do exactly that and not be called a hypocrite . It's the very definition . So don't start the you republican bullshit with me please

So you're mad at him for following the law while working to change it.

 

[1ofTheseKnights]

ITT == President shouldn't enforce laws on books

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