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Obama executive action on gun control

Surprised 85 didnt post about this earlier. What do you guys think?


Will be repealed within 2 years.

Also won't curb a damn thing with violence.

I have an idea, how about curbing actual illegal black-markets? National Geographic had no problem infiltrating. This executive action does NOTHING to prevent un-serialed weapons coming from the East Indies and Philippines.
 
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He's cummin' to take yer gunz!!

Na, he'll try, but won't be successful without setting off a massive wave of dissent, including maybe about 70% of the military and police force.

To be honest, preventing the clinical-mentally ill from getting weapons does nothing to infringe rights as those that are clinically-mentally ill already have an abridged sets of rights (can't drive, operate machinery, etc). This action just reinforces what they already ask on the forms when purchasing.

Now, if there was a door-to-door gun grab without going through the democratic/congressional means of a constitutional majority to change the 2nd amendment? Expect a fight.
 
I didn't post because it's a worthless set of "new executive orders" that is purely pandering to his leftist base that is screaming "DO SOMETHING ABOUT THOSE MEANIE GUN OWNERS!".

He's "closing the gunshow loophole", which is a "loophole" that has been exaggerated by liberals to no end and has contributed virtually nothing to actual violent crime. It's also the rallying point for people that have never actually attended a gun show.

He's investing in "smart gun technology", something that is only championed by people who know absolutely nothing about guns and never intend to actually own one.

The most ridiculous piece of bullshit in this could be a new designation for who is a "gun dealer". His AG yesterday actually hinted that selling ONE GUN could classify you as a "gun dealer" and thus require you to register Federally and run a background check on that one sale. Keep in mind that transfer of ownership would be deemed a sale. This would mean that if you buy a pistol and provide this to your wife, the person you spend your life with, the Obama morons in DC would be mandating that you register as a Gun Dealer and run a background check. On your wife.

In the end, this will only lead to more gun sales. This idiot is the greatest gun salesman in history.

Now, que the liberals screaming about NRA influence.
 
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maybe it's me wearing my House of Cards conspiracy hat on but I think PBO wants Hillary to lose, these EAs w less than a year from a General Election is just motivating a large base of voters on the other side to show up to the Polls in record numbers
 
I didn't post because it's a worthless set of "new executive orders" that is purely pandering to his leftist base that is screaming "DO SOMETHING ABOUT THOSE MEANIE GUN OWNERS!".

He's "closing the gunshow loophole", which is a "loophole" that has been exaggerated by liberals to no end and has contributed virtually nothing to actual violent crime. It's also the rallying point for people that have never actually attended a gun show.

He's investing in "smart gun technology", something that is only championed by people who know absolutely nothing about guns and never intend to actually own one.

The most ridiculous piece of bullshit in this could be a new designation for who is a "gun dealer". His AG yesterday actually hinted that selling ONE GUN could classify you as a "gun dealer" and thus require you to register Federally and run a background check on that one sale. Keep in mind that transfer of ownership would be deemed a sale. This would mean that if you buy a pistol and provide this to your wife, the person you spend your life with, the Obama morons in DC would be mandating that you register as a Gun Dealer and run a background check. On your wife.

In the end, this will only lead to more gun sales. This idiot is the greatest gun salesman in history.

Now, que the liberals screaming about NRA influence.

(drops mic).

Yep, that's pretty much living in reality.

Fun fact, had a friend that HATED guns fire one for the first time (albeit a .22, have to start them light...like sushi, you don't want to start with the raw lobster, you start with a california roll) over the holidays at Gander Mountain...he now owns one. Made a convert!!!!

Give me a gold star now.
 
I honestly hope Hillary keeps this gun control debate going. I'd love nothing more than the D's to idiotically choose this as a campaign topic, only to be squashed and defeated by the millions of gun owners who actually vote.
 
Wouldn't congress have to pass funding for all these new ATF agents and background check resources or are they basically already funded by the omnibus? Besides, lawyers for all these different 2nd amendment groups are drooling to litigate this.
 
I didn't post because it's a worthless set of "new executive orders" that is purely pandering to his leftist base that is screaming "DO SOMETHING ABOUT THOSE MEANIE GUN OWNERS!".

He's "closing the gunshow loophole", which is a "loophole" that has been exaggerated by liberals to no end and has contributed virtually nothing to actual violent crime. It's also the rallying point for people that have never actually attended a gun show.

He's investing in "smart gun technology", something that is only championed by people who know absolutely nothing about guns and never intend to actually own one.

The most ridiculous piece of bullshit in this could be a new designation for who is a "gun dealer". His AG yesterday actually hinted that selling ONE GUN could classify you as a "gun dealer" and thus require you to register Federally and run a background check on that one sale. Keep in mind that transfer of ownership would be deemed a sale. This would mean that if you buy a pistol and provide this to your wife, the person you spend your life with, the Obama morons in DC would be mandating that you register as a Gun Dealer and run a background check. On your wife.

In the end, this will only lead to more gun sales. This idiot is the greatest gun salesman in history.

Now, que the liberals screaming about NRA influence.

What specifically do you see as the problem with this action? What's your problem with making gun dealers who blatantly lie about just being "hobbiests" register as gun sellers so that their buyers must undergo background check? So you might have to run a background check on your wife to transfer the gun. Who ****ing cares. The price of that inconvenience is well worth getting a major public health problem under control.

What's wrong with expanding tracking of ballistics data to help give public health researchers more insight in to exactly what the link is between guns and growing gun violence?

It's insane to see SO many people so blinded and brainwashed by NRA propaganda. And you're God damn right I'm going to scream about NRA influence, because that piece of shit organization is the root cause of years of inaction in congress.
 
Wouldn't congress have to pass funding for all these new ATF agents and background check resources or are they basically already funded by the omnibus? Besides, lawyers for all these different 2nd amendment groups are drooling to litigate this.

Yes they will, and the puppets in the house probably aren't going to do it.
 
What specifically do you see as the problem with this action? What's your problem with making gun dealers who blatantly lie about just being "hobbiests" register as gun sellers so that their buyers must undergo background check? So you might have to run a background check on your wife to transfer the gun. Who ****ing cares. The price of that inconvenience is well worth getting a major public health problem under control.

What's wrong with expanding tracking of ballistics data to help give public health researchers more insight in to exactly what the link is between guns and growing gun violence?

It's insane to see SO many people so blinded and brainwashed by NRA propaganda. And you're God damn right I'm going to scream about NRA influence, because that piece of shit organization is the root cause of years of inaction in congress.
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You want gun control? Just put a $50 tax on each bullet/shell sold. Buy all the guns you want, you just can't afford to shoot them. Put the revenue from the tax into a fund to treat victims of gun violence.
 
What specifically do you see as the problem with this action? What's your problem with making gun dealers who blatantly lie about just being "hobbiests" register as gun sellers so that their buyers must undergo background check? So you might have to run a background check on your wife to transfer the gun. Who ****ing cares. The price of that inconvenience is well worth getting a major public health problem under control.

What's wrong with expanding tracking of ballistics data to help give public health researchers more insight in to exactly what the link is between guns and growing gun violence?

It's insane to see SO many people so blinded and brainwashed by NRA propaganda. And you're God damn right I'm going to scream about NRA influence, because that piece of shit organization is the root cause of years of inaction in congress.

To give a gun as a gift you have to apply and pay for an FFL license which can take a year. That's absolutely ridiculous. You have no idea what you're talking about. You're just listening to the propaganda and falling for Obama's fake tears.

Keep fear mongering about the big ol mean NRA!!!!
 
What specifically do you see as the problem with this action? What's your problem with making gun dealers who blatantly lie about just being "hobbiests" register as gun sellers so that their buyers must undergo background check? So you might have to run a background check on your wife to transfer the gun. Who ****ing cares. The price of that inconvenience is well worth getting a major public health problem under control.

What's wrong with expanding tracking of ballistics data to help give public health researchers more insight in to exactly what the link is between guns and growing gun violence?

It's insane to see SO many people so blinded and brainwashed by NRA propaganda. And you're God damn right I'm going to scream about NRA influence, because that piece of shit organization is the root cause of years of inaction in congress.

Do you seriously think it's okay that a person has to pay a bunch of money and wait several months to give their family member a gun as a gift or something or to pass down a gun they already own? Do you really think that it will inhibit black market gun sales? Do you really think it will prevent criminals from obtaining weapons? It's simply a bogus attempt to further slowly choke off second amendment rights.
 
Do you seriously think it's okay that a person has to pay a bunch of money and wait several months to give their family member a gun as a gift or something or to pass down a gun they already own? Do you really think that it will inhibit black market gun sales? Do you really think it will prevent criminals from obtaining weapons? It's simply a bogus attempt to further slowly choke off second amendment rights.

But that's how you stop crime!!! Take away the rights of law abiding citizens!!! That way only criminals have guns!!!
 
Im ok with there being more background checks. Im not ok with getting a background check to give my best friend or wife a gun. Thats ridiculous. I would like to see is the FBI or whatever track the number of suicides vs homicides. Those numbers inflate the gun deaths.

What Id really like to see is Obama actually enforce the laws that are already in the books.
 
What specifically do you see as the problem with this action? What's your problem with making gun dealers who blatantly lie about just being "hobbiests" register as gun sellers so that their buyers must undergo background check? So you might have to run a background check on your wife to transfer the gun. Who ****ing cares. The price of that inconvenience is well worth getting a major public health problem under control.

What's wrong with expanding tracking of ballistics data to help give public health researchers more insight in to exactly what the link is between guns and growing gun violence?

It's insane to see SO many people so blinded and brainwashed by NRA propaganda. And you're God damn right I'm going to scream about NRA influence, because that piece of shit organization is the root cause of years of inaction in congress.

Holy shit, where do I start?

First, show me where gun dealers "blatantly lie" about being "hobbyists" to sell guns? Here's a hint: I attend gun shows regularly and there are not armies of hobbyists selling hundreds of guns out of their trunk. This is a fallacy.

Second, the fact that you think a Federal agency mandating a background check ON YOUR WIFE is perfectly fine tells me just how wacked out you really are. You're essentially saying that some dickshit in DC is a better judge of your wife's mental capacity to own a firearm than you are. This is an argument that only a mindless zealot would make.

Tracking ballistics data? What are you even saying here? I'm talking about smart gun technology aka the idiotic idea that we should have finger print technology to "access" a firearm. Which would be great when the mechanism fails, as it often does on my iPhone, and you lose precious seconds with your firearm disabled.

As far as your predictable crying about the NRA- get over it. The majority of Americans favor gun rights over gun control and a fraction of them are actual NRA members. The NRA is only a goliath evil organization in the ignorant minds of left wing zealots such as yourself. You use the NRA since you don't want to admit the truth, that Americans do not favor gun control and favor protecting the 2nd Amendment. It's easier to scream about the boogmeyman NRA than accept that.
 
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You want gun control? Just put a $50 tax on each bullet/shell sold. Buy all the guns you want, you just can't afford to shoot them. Put the revenue from the tax into a fund to treat victims of gun violence.

Oh great idea, it'd fail instantly for being unconstitutional.

Maybe next you can find a way for only rich people to be able to exercise their First Amendment rights, since this is identical to your "plan" for eroding 2nd Amendment rights. Why should poor people have the same freedom of speech as the rich people who can afford to pay for their speech?
 
I dont go to as many gun shows and Im not as versed in the laws as 85. But I have been to a few. I think if the local police department / FBI / or whatever could set up a table at each gun show to allow for the quick processing for background checks for private gun sales, I think that would be a practical solution. I do think reasonable people would use the service.
 
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Oh great idea, it'd fail instantly for being unconstitutional.

Maybe next you can find a way for only rich people to be able to exercise their First Amendment rights, since this is identical to your "plan" for eroding 2nd Amendment rights. Why should poor people have the same freedom of speech as the rich people who can afford to pay for their speech?
Oh really? What's unconstitutional about it? How is a tax on ammo any different than a tax on cigarettes or a tax on alcohol?

And free speech doesn't kill people.
 
I dont go to as many gun shows and Im not as versed in the laws as 85. But I have been to a few. I think if the local police department / FBI / or whatever could set up a table at each gun show to allow for the quick processing for background checks for private gun sales, I think that would be a practical solution.

It ALREADY happens! The majority of gun shows are attended by authorized dealers, aka the guys with multiple firearms on their table. They are FFL registered and conduct background checks on site as is ALREADY REQUIRED BY LAW.

This is the problem. People think that gun shows = thousands of people trading guns for money like an Old West Saloon.

There are private sellers and hobbyists who can technically sell without a background check. They still have always required a bill of sale with ID verified information, serial number written down, and date of transfer provided since they can be criminally liable IF that person ends up going ham and committing a crime with that firearm. So, if you're a felon looking for a firearm to commit crimes with, are you really going to buy from someone who will have your entire information on file?

Let's put it this way: if you're a felon needing to obtain a firearm and bypass background checks, a gun show is not the place you'd go. You'd simply use one of the many blackmarket avenues already available to obtain a firearm from some criminal cretin.
 
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Oh really? What's unconstitutional about it? How is a tax on ammo any different than a tax on cigarettes or a tax on alcohol?

And free speech doesn't kill people.

Your lack of understanding here showcases how little you understand or care about constitutionally protected freedoms.

Smoking or drinking are not constitutionally protected freedoms. I know this since many counties in this country have been granted the right by the Supreme Court to deny the sale or drinking of alcohol in their county. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that you have a right to smoke.

We do have this thing called the 2nd Amendment. And the Supreme Court has already stated that it is unlawful for a government to inflict unreasonable barriers upon the people exercising their protected Constitutional freedoms. I hate to break this to you but your idea is not new. It's already been shot down.

Charging $50 a cartridge would easily be deemed highly unconstitutional, you'd be found to be infringing upon the rights of millions of Americans by denying them the ability to purchase ammo to operate a firearm, and it would be thrown out before it was ever law.
 
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I'm not going to waste time arguing with this board, because the collective ignorance of the conservatives here is beyond repair. But I'll will rub it in one more time that the conservatives that continue to hold society back (both those in power with agendas and the ignorant plebes that put them in power) are continuing to lose ground. Go progress!
 
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I know the dealers do that 85. But I always see a lot of guys walking around with a sign saying xxx for sale. Perhaps if there was an easy way for them to run a background check, they might use it. Most criminals wouldnt buy from someone like this, and like you said they will go to the black markets. However, if it stopped just a few Im ok with that. Now I dont want that mandatory 3 day waiting period tacked on. Just the quick scan version.

And that piece about transferring a firearm to a family member taking forever is just plain stupid. Like you said, you should be a better judge than some mindless gov employee.
 
I'm not going to waste time arguing with this board, because the collective ignorance of the conservatives here is beyond repair. But I'll will rub it in one more time that the conservatives that continue to hold society back (both those in power with agendas and the ignorant plebes that put them in power) are continuing to lose ground. Go progress!

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You're as totally unhinged as always.
 
I dont go to as many gun shows and Im not as versed in the laws as 85. But I have been to a few. I think if the local police department / FBI / or whatever could set up a table at each gun show to allow for the quick processing for background checks for private gun sales, I think that would be a practical solution. I do think reasonable people would use the service.
Way too practical and easy to do . Also doesn't give the political bang . We already have law enforcement at gun shows do just expand them by a few administrative personnel and there you go
 
I'm not going to waste time arguing with this board, because the collective ignorance of the conservatives here is beyond repair. But I'll will rub it in one more time that the conservatives that continue to hold society back (both those in power with agendas and the ignorant plebes that put them in power) are continuing to lose ground. Go progress!

Losing ground? Are those the same conservatives that won in record numbers in Congress and governorships the last two election cycles and will win even more this time around? The elections of the last four years have been a complete repudiation of Obama and insane liberals like yourself. Please share how conservatives hold society back when progressives are burning down cities and murdering a million children a year.
 
Losing ground? Are those the same conservatives that won in record numbers in Congress and governorships the last two election cycles and will win even more this time around? The elections of the last four years have been a complete repudiation of Obama and insane liberals like yourself. Please share how conservatives hold society back when progressives are burning down cities and murdering a million children a year.

Remember, this is the same guy who tries to ignore the fact that Texas is leading the country in growth and high tech jobs by claiming it's just the "progressives" inside Texas that are doing everything. The reddest of red states in the country and he thinks their entire success is based around liberals in Austin.
 
Losing ground? Are those the same conservatives that won in record numbers in Congress and governorships the last two election cycles and will win even more this time around? The elections of the last four years have been a complete repudiation of Obama and insane liberals like yourself. Please share how conservatives hold society back when progressives are burning down cities and murdering a million children a year.

SMH. It's all about gay marriage, free phones, EBT cards and free health care, Bob.
 
The number of people who commit murder with guns they bought at gun shows is miniscule. The vast majority were bought either legally through a dealer who went through the FBI background check or illegally through the black market or a strawman. With the largest black market for guns in Mexico and a border that anyone can cross with damn near anything, there's no way that you're going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals by forcing people at gun shows selling weapons in the open to get approval from the FBI. Of course, possessing a weapon as a felon is already illegal as is purchasing a weapon legally and then providing it to the felon. That doesn't stop people from acting as strawmen all the time and neither would these new regulations. This is just the emporer's new line of clothing and the idiots like UCFEE who scream at how great it is.

Now to address the background checks. The FBI has screwed up a number of background checks that have resulted in notable shootings in the last 5 years. The system is far from perfect and it certainly isn't instant. It relies on local authorities to input information into the system correctly (or at all) and for background investigators to be thorough in their investigation to close the gaps. Not every jurisdiction is even connected so there will be some holes no matter how perfect the rest is. Also, if you ran every sale through the FBI database, that's one hell of a power the FBI then has to delay or even stop all gun sales. They can just claim a backlog in processing and boom, the single mother being stalked by an ex or a crazy man cannot purchase a gun to protect herself. Neither can the old lady who had her house broken into and was abused by the same man multiple times until she bought a gun and stopped him on his last attempt.
 
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Losing ground? Are those the same conservatives that won in record numbers in Congress and governorships the last two election cycles and will win even more this time around? The elections of the last four years have been a complete repudiation of Obama and insane liberals like yourself. Please share how conservatives hold society back when progressives are burning down cities and murdering a million children a year.
Those victories have also been a repudiation of the Republican establishment. Hence, the reason the GOP has been a complete clown show. #stumpfortrump
 
Those victories have also been a repudiation of the Republican establishment. Hence, the reason the GOP has been a complete clown show. #stumpfortrump

I agree and that makes EE more wrong if that's possible. The voters have been electing people that are even more conservative/antiPC than before.
 
This does nothing. Just a way to stir up the base of the party. I have no problem with more background checks. That being said there is a legal way to do it, and this is not it. Bottom line is everywhere that has the strongest gun laws have the most gun murders.. Go Figure.
 
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