Obama visits Cuba

[UCFWayne]

So the pres took a nice spring break vacation to Cuba. He got to see some sights. Got to witness some protestors getting beaten up and taken to jail. Then got to have a little one on one followed by a press conference. I think later today hes going to watch some good ole fashioned beisbol.

What do you guys think of the trip and the Obama trying to start new dialogue?

 

[fabknight]

Hope and change. He's buddying up to all the communist dictators and getting a first hand view of how he wishes the US would operate.

On a side note, I was watching a little news this morning and they had some pictures of Havana being broadcasted. I was absolutely astounded at what a shit hole it was. It was absolutely filthy. With all those spanish people there, you'd think that place would be spotless.

 

[CommuterBob]

Hope and change. He's buddying up to all the communist dictators and getting a first hand view of how he wishes the US would operate.

On a side note, I was watching a little news this morning and they had some pictures of Havana being broadcasted. I was absolutely astounded at what a shit hole it was. It was absolutely filthy. With all those spanish people there, you'd think that place would be spotless.

So it's basically like every other Caribbean nation?

 

[fabknight]

So it's basically like every other Caribbean nation?

Pretty much. It wasn't like that prior to the Castro regime taking over. As corrupt as Batista was, the country was more prosperous.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

Got to witness some protestors getting beaten up and taken to jail.

He's just getting tips on how to deal with racist terrorist Republicans and the terrorist propaganda network Fox News.

 

[Sir Galahad]

Nothing more than a spring break vacation for the girls. He even brought the mother in law.

 

[Jedi.Knight]

Nothing more than a spring break vacation for the girls. He even brought the mother in law.

When doesn't he bring that old battleax. It almost makes me puke every time I see her trotting down the stairway from Air Force One with that smug Bill Cosby pudding pop look on her face.

 

[UCFEE]

More opportunity for the Cuban people, opens the door for Cuban entrepreneurs to flourish, opens business opportunities for us in the U.S., and we've lost nothing in terms of our ability to influence Cuban government. May have not necessarily gained anything, but like I said this isn't about the Cuban government, it's a out the Cuban people.

 

[Sir Galahad]

More opportunity for the Cuban people, opens the door for Cuban entrepreneurs to flourish, opens business opportunities for us in the U.S., and we've lost nothing in terms of our ability to influence Cuban government. May have not necessarily gained anything, but like I said this isn't about the Cuban government, it's a out the Cuban people.

Don't you find it interesting that Obama makes nice with a communist government who definitely would not be considered an ally while he ignores at best Israel whom is the only democratic nation in the Middle East?

Hmmmm

 

[fabknight]

More opportunity for the Cuban people, opens the door for Cuban entrepreneurs to flourish, opens business opportunities for us in the U.S., and we've lost nothing in terms of our ability to influence Cuban government. May have not necessarily gained anything, but like I said this isn't about the Cuban government, it's a out the Cuban people.

Most paychecks there are issued by the government. The benefits to the majority of the Cuban people will be virtually non-existent.

 

[Sir Galahad]

Most paychecks there are issued by the government. The benefits to the majority of the Cuban people will be virtually non-existent.

Fab, EE lives in utopia and has no need for reality.

 

[fabknight]

Fab, EE lives in utopia and has no need for reality.

LOL. See my reply in the Belgium bombing thread. I have to admit, my post saying the same thing was way more eloquent.

 

[UCFKnight85]

My favorite was when he allowed himself to be lectured to by the midget dictator.

More opportunity for the Cuban people, opens the door for Cuban entrepreneurs to flourish, opens business opportunities for us in the U.S., and we've lost nothing in terms of our ability to influence Cuban government. May have not necessarily gained anything, but like I said this isn't about the Cuban government, it's a out the Cuban people.

Yea, I'm sure those Cuban tech start ups will flourish now under Castro.

 

[UCFWayne]

Listening to Open Mike this morning, Doc, who I normally hate brought up a decent point. He said he thinks this is more about opening dialogue now before the next regime change. At some point Fidel and Raul will die and there will be a change. We wont be able to affect any change in the short term, but with a new regime change, it might be possible.

Im ok with that. At least we are trying something new. It might work and it might not. If it works, thats a win for both countries. If not, we can always cut ties again.

 

[sk8knight]

Listening to Open Mike this morning, Doc, who I normally hate brought up a decent point. He said he thinks this is more about opening dialogue now before the next regime change. At some point Fidel and Raul will die and there will be a change. We wont be able to affect any change in the short term, but with a new regime change, it might be possible.

Im ok with that. At least we are trying something new. It might work and it might not. If it works, thats a win for both countries. If not, we can always cut ties again.

Just like we can always "snap back" sanctions on Iran. There's no long game here specific to Cuba. This is simply a continuation of the Obama administration's pattern of withdrawing the US from its role of leadership in foreign affairs.

 

[fabknight]

Im ok with that. At least we are trying something new. It might work and it might not. If it works, thats a win for both countries. If not, we can always do what we normally do and put in a puppet government.

FIFY

 

[UCFWayne]

FIFY

Im sure the US tried to assassinate Fidel a number of times. At some point you have to respect his ability to survive, much like a coach roach.

 

[Poolside Knight]

 

[UCFEE]

Just like we can always "snap back" sanctions on Iran. There's no long game here specific to Cuba. This is simply a continuation of the Obama administration's pattern of withdrawing the US from its role of leadership in foreign affairs.

You seem to define leadership as sticking to a certain course regardless of if that course is has met any kind of objective over the past decades.

My favorite was when he allowed himself to be lectured to by the midget dictator.




Yea, I'm sure those Cuban tech start ups will flourish now under Castro.

And our prior policy on Cuba was working to give them more opportunities in what way?

 

[jetsaholic]

And our prior policy on Cuba was working to give them more opportunities in what way?

And this is different?

 

[therightknight]

I was absolutely astounded at what a shit hole it was. It was absolutely filthy. With all those spanish people there, you'd think that place would be spotless.

Truth. The spanish people took residence at a place nearby that was left as a dump. They cleaned that up real fast. As for Obama, visiting Cuba is like going back to his childhood.

Oh yeah and Donald Trump agrees with every negative thing said on this board about Cuba.

 

[UCF11and1]

The spanish that knew how to clean are already in Miami

 

[jetsaholic]

The spanish that knew how to clean are already in Miami

I see you haven't been to Miami in a while...

 

[UCF11and1]

I see you haven't been to Miami in a while...

I don't go to shit holes

 

[jetsaholic]

The spanish that knew how to clean are already in Miami

I see you haven't been to Miami in a while...

I don't go to shit holes

Exactly, then why would you even say the people that can clean are there when you know it's a shithole?

Mod, please ban. Thanks!

 

[UCF11and1]

Forgot the spanish people that clean are from Mexico not Cuba. BTW, NY is another shit hole

 

[therightknight]

I see you haven't been to Miami in a while...

Downtown Centennial is a site to see. Its like my neighbors keeping the future spotless.

 

[Poolside Knight]

I see you haven't been to Miami in a while...

Tampa is dirtier than Miami, its prime waterfront spots for current & future development smells like rotten eggs

 

[Sir Galahad]

Tampa is dirtier than Miami, its prime waterfront spots for current & future development smells like rotten eggs

I've lived in both, I would Tampa 1000 times over Miami.

 

[jetsaholic]

Forgot the spanish people that clean are from Mexico not Cuba. BTW, NY is another shit hole

Duh. Is that supposed to mean something or you just like stating the obvious?

 

[UCFKnight85]

Tampa is dirtier than Miami, its prime waterfront spots for current & future development smells like rotten eggs

The nice spots of Tampa you'd want to live in are severely overcrowded with shit road systems. South Tampa is a perfect example.

 

[UCF11and1]

Tampa is dirtier than Miami, its prime waterfront spots for current & future development smells like rotten eggs

well, Tampa is full of Cubans too

 

[Poolside Knight]

yeah Tampa has some really nice pockets but it was just a poorly planned city. The Tampa side of the Bay should have had the Downtown residences & any bars built closer to the River by UT than Channelside which smells. Looks like that's what the current mayor is doing w the RiverWalk but that should have been done 25 years ago

 

[1ofTheseKnights]

 

[crambone]

Nuke the Cubans!