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***Official Fire Donnie Jones Thread***

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It's time for him to go. There is no excuse for this loss. USF is 8-21. and we just beat them easily at home not too long ago. Ive seen no improvement. In fact, I've seen regression with this team. We will never be a serious player in basketball until we make a change at head coach.

Don't get me wrong, he's a nice guy. However, that doesn't win games.
 
Originally posted by UCF 10 Georgia 6:
It's time for him to go. There is no excuse for this loss. USF is 8-21. and we just beat them easily at home not too long ago. Ive seen no improvement. In fact, I've seen regression with this team. We will never be a serious player in basketball until we make a change at head coach.

Don't get me wrong, he's a nice guy. However, that doesn't win games.
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These same posts existed for O'Leary 2 seasons before he won a BCS game. 1) There is no way we are buying out of a contract right now so these posts are a waste of time 2) He deserves to get 1-2 years with a full roster to prove himself. Hell we gave Speraw 17 years

We have a talented group coming in which will fit with the existing players. We should see massive improvement...at least that is what I'm telling myself. Temple had a horrible season with a short bench last year. Was their head coach horrible?

This post was edited on 3/4 9:50 PM by KNIGHTTIME^
 
I don't see how Donnie is going to do it next year.

By that I mean, how do you perform this bad at the end of the season and then next year become at least a .500 team? And at least .500 in conference.

Not too many large schools would settle for this.

This reflects badly.

What did Donnie say post game? Anyone catch the interview?

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I don't see how Donnie is going to do it next year.

By that I mean, how do you perform this bad at the end of the season and then next year become at least a .500 team? And at least .500 in conference.

Not too many large schools would settle for this.

This reflects badly.

What did Donnie say post game? Anyone catch the interview?

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He's not going anywhere. Come back to this if we see the same results after next season. Which I doubt that we will.
 
We need to just get behind our coach. He's under sanctions. He has 3 years to prove himself, thats what his contract is and UCF doesn't have the money to buy it out early. We should give him a chance with a full roster for a couple seasons. Basketball can change especially fast.
 
I am not a "fire the coach" kind of guy, but things are looking dark for Mens' BB right now. I think the sanctions hurt a great deal, especially in the recruiting. Everyone knows that college basketball recruiting is as dirty as it gets. If you can't play the game you are toast. My guess is that Donnie has not been able to play the game because getting caught would likely kill the program. As far as coaching goes, I don't have a clue.

I think Donnie gets the nod for at least another two years, and no, our basketball record will not hurt our possible chances at a P5 invite. Unless your program is on the level of Memphis or UConn, the basketball program means very little.
 
Originally posted by KNIGHTTIME^:

Originally posted by UCF 10 Georgia 6:
It's time for him to go. There is no excuse for this loss. USF is 8-21. and we just beat them easily at home not too long ago. Ive seen no improvement. In fact, I've seen regression with this team. We will never be a serious player in basketball until we make a change at head coach.

Don't get me wrong, he's a nice guy. However, that doesn't win games.
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These same posts existed for O'Leary 2 seasons before he won a BCS game. 1) There is no way we are buying out of a contract right now so these posts are a waste of time 2) He deserves to get 1-2 years with a full roster to prove himself. Hell we gave Speraw 17 years

We have a talented group coming in which will fit with the existing players. We should see massive improvement...at least that is what I'm telling myself. Temple had a horrible season with a short bench last year. Was their head coach horrible?

This post was edited on 3/4 9:50 PM by KNIGHTTIME^
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I'm no O'Leary nuthugger, but he was a recognized COTY and head coach at Notre Dame. He proved himself.
Jones coached at Marshall and they weren't even that good.
If you've been to the games, it doesn't take an expert to know we look clueless out there. It's not a talent problem, the kids aren't playing fundamental basketball.

When we played UCONN & Pitt in the NCAA tournament, it was their shear size and talent that beat us, we played with poise, but it was a David and Goliath scenario. We have size and talent now. Most of our kids were recruited by some big programs. It's a coaching problem. I hope HE improves more so than the kids, because he's definitely a good recruiter.
 
Does anyone really believe UCF is going to fire this guy and buy out his contract based on this post? He's not going anywhere.
 
Originally posted by UCF 10 Georgia 6:
We will never be a serious player in basketball until we make a change at head coach.
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If your so good at perfectly predicting the future...why don;t you play the lottery and get UCF a new baseball stadium with your winnings?

You have a 50% chance of being right. On the other hand, Donnie may start having 20 win seasons again in a few years. You don't know and neither do I. It's just your opinion.
 
"You can't win the Kentuckk Derby with donekys"

That was a famous quote from our former AD, Tribble when he fired Kirk Speraw. It is interesting to note that Tribble probably had as much to do with the sanctions as Donnie. Tribble was fired because it was found out that he was personally involved in a lot of the stuff. Donnie should have known better on some of the stuff that got us into trouble, but it was not entirely his doing.
 
We need to give him some time without the sanctions to prove himself... That being said, I don't think we'll ever be ready for a decent run in conference play if we only play scrubs in non conference play. Our goal year in and year out should be conference championships, just like football. The rest would take care of itself.
 
Donnie adjusts the OOC schedule based on the team composition and specific goals. In years past when we had a team with experience we have played a number of good to really good teams OOC to challenge the team and try to make it better.

Other years, like this season with a lot of inexperience, he played an easier OOC schedule to try to get the team opportunities to play together and have success to build some confidence. You can see how losses this year really affected the teams confidence. Imagine how much worse it would have been if we had scheduled some really hard teams OOC before the conference schedule started.
 
Donnie's here for a while. Let's just hope he can significantly improve.

I knew it would be tough inside without Sykes!

I'll be interesting to see who he brings in for next year.

I've heard rumblings that a few current starters won't be staring due to the new comers. Not sure.

But...I don't care who comes in....he's going to have to coach them up and get some fire brewing to get these guys ready to be aggressive at game time!
 
Originally posted by Knight_Classes_begin_7pm:
Donnie's here for a while. Let's just hope he can significantly improve.

I knew it would be tough inside without Sykes!

I'll be interesting to see who he brings in for next year.

I've heard rumblings that a few current starters won't be staring due to the new comers. Not sure.

But...I don't care who comes in....he's going to have to coach them up and get some fire brewing to get these guys ready to be aggressive at game time!
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No one is ever guaranteed a starting spot a year in advance...let alone from game to game.

At least one scholarship player will not be back next year as UCF is one over on scholarships (or said player comes back for a non-scholarship season).

Some starters this season were there because there was no other choice (small bench).

The non-conf games will be used to hopefully find a good match for starting line-up come conf play.

Will UCF use a 3 guard starting line-up next year? (BJ, Goodwin and Henriquez?) Or does Tanksley or AJ Davis crack the starting lineup at 3/4? Is McBride in shape to start? If so...does DJ use the Blair/McBride combo at 4/5...pushing AJ to the 3 and Henriquez to the 2 and BJ to the one and Goodwin to the bench to start?

Good news is there will be options next year for starting line-up...and first 3-4 off the bench...something that really wasn't there this season because of lack of depth.

This post was edited on 3/6 11:55 AM by Knight_Light
 
Serious question square knight: When have we had a number of "good" or "really good" teams on our OOC schedule under Donnie?

Also, do you think that he scheduled his OOC this year shooting for the CBI tournament at best then?

This post was edited on 3/6 10:12 PM by SPTKnight
 
Not trying to fire him, I do think that he is a fantastic recruiter and limbs from a coach who has won championships in Donovon. So I know he has the ability to coach. He just needs to change a couple things. Ooc schedule being one of them.

I remember when Marshall fans came over here when we got him and would say stuff like "enjoy running through a weak ooc schedule and not doing too much in conference." At this time is looks like they were correct.
 
Originally posted by SPTKnight:
Serious question square knight: When have we had a number of "good" or "really good" teams on our OOC schedule under Donnie?

Also, do you think that he scheduled his OOC this year shooting for the CBI tournament at best then?

This post was edited on 3/6 10:12 PM by SPTKnight
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Don't think so at all...as DJ (and anyone else that follows AAC Hoops) knew this was going to but a tough season being short handed (and that was before UCF lost Matt Williams to season-ending injury at the beginning of the year.

UCF was picked 9th in AAC Pre-season polls...UCF will finish 9th (or tied for 8th) after this weekend.

I think DJ was trying to just give Adonys and BJ some early season confidence, which they did...but after Williams went down, both had to play HUGE mins, let alone BJ's concussion injury, both just ran out of gas at end of the season.
 
Re: ***Official Fire Donnie Jones Thread***[/URL]SPTKnight posted on 3/6/2015...
Serious question square knight: When have we had a number of "good" or "really good" teams on our OOC schedule under Donnie?

Also, do you think that he scheduled his OOC this year shooting for the CBI tournament at best then?

This post was edited on 3/6 10:12 PM by SPTKnight

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UCONN, Harvard,FSU,Miami, Valpo,Middle Tennessee,Florida,Princeton.
 
That would be awesome for an ooc schedule over a 1-2 year span... But that is a list of every above average team we played as part of an ooc schedule during his ENTIRE time at ucf. Now I didn't go back and look at each of the above teams records (and which were ncaa tournament teams), but uconn and florida are the only really good teams in that list... Harvard and valpo are good, and the rest are mediocre/ just above average.
 
SPTKnight- what are you comparing our OOC schedule to? Previous UCF teams with Kirk or what??

Here's a decent OOC from 2010-11
Usf, Florida, Miami, umass, Princeton.
Also local teams West Florida, Stetson, and Bethune.
 
Not really comparing them to Kirk's. Moreso, I just feel that we should aim for 4-5 tournament teams (ncaa or nit) on our schedule every year if able to do so. The rest should be average level teams with 2-3 "bad" teams. The 2010-2011 schedule is my favorite under the Donnie era. That was his first year right? Did he have a big say in the scheduling that year, or was the schedule already pretty much set, with a couple of slots available?
 
When you play in a great conference, you can be a little softer in your OOC because you play talented programs throughout the season in conference. Here are the quality teams that we have played each year (in and out of conference):

-----------------------------ASUN-------------------------
2001-02 SOS 268 nobody
2002-03 SOS 265 Charleston, UM, Kstate
2003-04 SOS 252 Charleston, UF [Pittsburgh]
2004-05 SOS 293 N. Mexico St. [UCONN]
-----------------------------CUSA--------------------------
2005-06 SOS 207 UF, Kentucky (Memphis-1)
2006-07 SOS 259 Minnesota (Memphis-1)
2007-08 SOS 145 Villinova, Kstate, Ole Miss, UConn (Memphis 1)
2008-09 SOS 142 Valpo (2), New Mex., UF, Ole Miss, (Memphis-1)
2009-10 SOS 137 Umass, AUburn, ND, UConn, Ole Miss, (Memphis, UTEP 2)

(Donnie Jones)
2010-11 SOS 67 USF, UF, Miami, UMass, Princeton, (Memphis-2) [St. Bona, Rhode Island, Creighton]
2011-12 SOS 75 FSU, Charleston, UConn, Harvard (Memphis-3) [Drexel]
2012-13 SOS 117 USF-2, UF, Miami, (Memphis-2)
----------------------------American Conference------------------------------
2013-14 SOS 77 FSU, Valpo-2, Miami (Louis-2, Uconn-2, SMU-2, Cinci-3, Memphis-2)
2014-15 SOS 143 Davidson, FSU, (SMU-2, Tulsa-2, Cinci-2, Temple-2)
 
That's a good post. To look at it in a SOS perspective, I think that our SOS should be around the 50-80 range in order for us to be ready to play our conference opponents.

There was a post or two earlier about SOS difficulty and how our schedule fluctuates depending on how good our current team is... If we used a 50-80 SOS difficulty then our worst teams would still be playing adequate competition. If anything this would prepare the team better for the next year compared to playing a bunch of scrubs.
 
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