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Tapper asks how Bernie wants to pay for his proposals and he gets ticked off, calls it a republican talking point.

Sorry Bernie, it's a legit question and half of the equation in your proposals.
 
Tapper asks how Bernie wants to pay for his proposals and he gets ticked off, calls it a republican talking point.

Sorry Bernie, it's a legit question and half of the equation in your proposals.

I am not sure what it is about this board where people never provide links to things, but that isn't what Tapper asked. He specifically asked if they would raise taxes on the middle class for medicare for all, not just a general question about how Bernie would fund his proposals.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...e-tapper-republican-talking-point/1874018001/
 
Tapper asks how Bernie wants to pay for his proposals and he gets ticked off, calls it a republican talking point.

Sorry Bernie, it's a legit question and half of the equation in your proposals.

Was he yelling? I bet he was yelling.
 
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Tapper asks how Bernie wants to pay for his proposals and he gets ticked off, calls it a republican talking point.

Sorry Bernie, it's a legit question and half of the equation in your proposals.
hes going to have to raise taxes a good bit to accomplish his insane goals
 
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Did he answer the question?

Yes, as he has answered it a gazillion times before. He has always said people would pay more in taxes, but it would be offset by the reduction in insurance and medical bills.

BTW, the question wasn't even initially to him, it was too Amy Klobuchar, Sanders just jumped in after her answer.
 
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Yes, as he has answered it a gazillion times before. He has always said people would pay more in taxes, but it would be offset by the reduction in insurance and medical bills.

BTW, the question wasn't even initially to him, it was too Amy Klobuchar, Sanders just jumped in after her answer.

You're completely omitting the part where he accused Tapper of spewing "Republican talking points" for daring to not take Sanders' assumptions as gospel, when talking about nationalizing 1/5 of our economy.
 
You're completely omitting the part where he accused Tapper of spewing "Republican talking points" for daring to not take Sanders' assumptions as gospel, when talking about nationalizing 1/5 of our economy.

I linked an entire article about the exchange, and that part was certainly in the article. But again, the question wasn't even too Sanders. Sanders addressed Tapper, not the other way around. You guys seem to be trying to play this as Tapper asked Bernie a question and Bernie fell on his face because he couldn't answer it. That is not what happened. Bernie chimed in to a question that was asked to someone else, and threw his 2 cents in after that person answered.
 
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Poor socialist Bernie when it convenient to be a socialist. The guy just made $500k-$1 million from some dumb book deal. I can summarize...take from others and don't give to charity yourself. Be part of the ruling class that gets more.

All his proposals usually keep his income group safe. Convenient like a hypocrite.
 
Medicare for All is such a slamdunk, feasible plan that absolutely no blue states have passed this into law and done it at the State level.
 
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Yes, as he has answered it a gazillion times before. He has always said people would pay more in taxes, but it would be offset by the reduction in insurance and medical bills.

BTW, the question wasn't even initially to him, it was too Amy Klobuchar, Sanders just jumped in after her answer.
Pay the government to do for you what a private citizen/company does and you won't have to pay the private entity. Makes sense in a very elementary school way. Until you study economics and history and realize that you eliminate competitive forces that drive down prices when there's a single provider and also in the history of the world having single government providers for services hasn't lead to a 1:1 offset in capability of service. For most, they'll see a significant drop-off for the very few that see an increase.

At best, the government serves as an additional bureaucratic layer above a contractor industry. But that wastes a percentage of every dollar spent by the consumer for what value? At worst, rationing and scarcity.
 
Pay the government to do for you what a private citizen/company does and you won't have to pay the private entity. Makes sense in a very elementary school way. Until you study economics and history and realize that you eliminate competitive forces that drive down prices when there's a single provider and also in the history of the world having single government providers for services hasn't lead to a 1:1 offset in capability of service. For most, they'll see a significant drop-off for the very few that see an increase.

At best, the government serves as an additional bureaucratic layer above a contractor industry. But that wastes a percentage of every dollar spent by the consumer for what value? At worst, rationing and scarcity.

This all sounds good, except private insurance hasn't lowered prices. Insurance costs have been going up for decades. The only reason healthcare and insurance has become a major political issue, is because it was becoming unaffordable for so many people to begin with. I am not saying Bernie's plan is necessarily the correct one, but leaving it up to private industry doesn't show it works either.
 
This all sounds good, except private insurance hasn't lowered prices. Insurance costs have been going up for decades. The only reason healthcare and insurance has become a major political issue, is because it was becoming unaffordable for so many people to begin with. I am not saying Bernie's plan is necessarily the correct one, but leaving it up to private industry doesn't show it works either.
Yup. Regulations have changed as well across all variables of health care. It's not been left up to private industry.
 
Yup. Regulations have changed as well across all variables of health care. It's not been left up to private industry.

And around and around we go.

I'm gonna be honest, this thing seems so huge I don't know wtf is going on. Is there any legitimate source out there that has taken the time to break this entire thing down and analyze from roots up? A First Principles approach? It seems like way too much work for the average person but it there a reliable group out there that's done it? Perhaps that can be a Water Cooler mega thread.
 
And around and around we go.

I'm gonna be honest, this thing seems so huge I don't know wtf is going on. Is there any legitimate source out there that has taken the time to break this entire thing down and analyze from roots up? A First Principles approach? It seems like way too much work for the average person but it there a reliable group out there that's done it? Perhaps that can be a Water Cooler mega thread.
https://www.kff.org/

Kaiser is a respected organization that has lots research, articles, etc on this type of information.
 
Insurance companies have a lot of lobbyists and have certainly had more than their say in what regulations are passed.
Sure, but lobbying government to change rules in your favor isn’t a free market principle. We should whack all of that.
 
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Insurance companies have a lot of lobbyists and have certainly had more than their say in what regulations are passed.

Or, we're just a nation of fat disgusting slobs who don't take care of their bodies and as a result, we have to pay out tons more in insurance costs than the rest of the world, who don't have millions of obese people who also chainsmoke?

I'm not saying that in gest either. It costs a fortune taking care of people who don't take care of themselves.

I'm not letting insurance companies off the hook since I know what their aim here is, but at the end of the day we have a government that mandated more and more coverage upon these companies for people who were already massively expensive to care for in the first place.
 
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Or, we're just a nation of fat disgusting slobs who don't take care of their bodies and as a result, we have to pay out tons more in insurance costs than the rest of the world, who don't have millions of obese people who also chainsmoke?

I'm not saying that in gest either. It costs a fortune taking care of people who don't take care of themselves.

I'm not letting insurance companies off the hook since I know what their aim here is, but at the end of the day we have a government that mandated more and more coverage upon these companies for people who were already massively expensive to care for in the first place.

There is no question we have a lot of people who live unhealthy lifestyles.
 
Or, we're just a nation of fat disgusting slobs who don't take care of their bodies and as a result, we have to pay out tons more in insurance costs than the rest of the world, who don't have millions of obese people who also chainsmoke?

I'm not saying that in gest either. It costs a fortune taking care of people who don't take care of themselves.

I'm not letting insurance companies off the hook since I know what their aim here is, but at the end of the day we have a government that mandated more and more coverage upon these companies for people who were already massively expensive to care for in the first place.
It's that and that we have an amazing amount of genetic and cultural diversity in our populace. That makes a difference in what providers need to be able or forced to consider. We're also bringing in a good amount of refugees and immigrants that haven't been able to live healthy lifestyles or have a culture of healthy behaviors. That includes a number of ailments and pathogens that comes with it. All of that costs and the payers pay for the non-payers.
 
Don't you know? We just go deeper into debt to pay for stuff now. That's why we can raise the military budget and cut tax income at the same time. The budget always balances if you include unlimited access to debt.
 
Or, we're just a nation of fat disgusting slobs who don't take care of their bodies and as a result, we have to pay out tons more in insurance costs than the rest of the world, who don't have millions of obese people who also chainsmoke?

I'm not saying that in gest either. It costs a fortune taking care of people who don't take care of themselves.

I'm not letting insurance companies off the hook since I know what their aim here is, but at the end of the day we have a government that mandated more and more coverage upon these companies for people who were already massively expensive to care for in the first place.
I agree. I haven’t been to the doctor in years, however i’m paying more and more in insurance premiums every year to pay for the unhealthy who don’t give a crap to take care of themselves. It’s the same people visiting the doctor over and over

Additionally, my employer once told me that the insurance premiums went up because “of all the pregnancies we had this year.”
 


Through strong border protections...quickly moves on....

It's kind of weird watching that and seeing 2 of the guys actually have good points but then have to couch them between "Trump is bad" and "Trump is even more bad". The most ironic moment was when Warren criticized Bullock about following the law, lol. You literally just said you were going to decriminalize a crime.
 
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