Orlando extending war on drugs to include donuts

[SublimeKnight]

Cops mistook Krispy Kreme doughnut glaze for meth

Daniel Rushing treats himself to a Krispy Kreme doughnut every other Wednesday. He used to eat them in his car.

Not anymore.

Not since a pair of Orlando police officers pulled him over, spotted four tiny flakes of glaze on his floorboard and arrested him, saying they were pieces of crystal methamphetamine.

The officers did two roadside drug tests and both came back positive for the illegal substance, according to his arrest report.

He was handcuffed, arrested, taken to the county jail and strip searched, he said.​

 

[MACHater02]

Just sad. How many 64 year olds ride around with Meth on the floor of their car.

 

[cnsaguy]

Chris Rock was right about Krispy Kreme. Damn.

 

[SublimeKnight]

The best part is the officers at the scene saying, "look, we're willing to look the other way on this, if you can help us find the dealers"

He should have hopped in the back of the car and guided them to krispy kreme. Once the officers saw that "Hot Now" light on, they would have forgotten what they were doing.

 

[jetsaholic]

#BanDonuts

 

[sk8knight]

Just sad. How many 64 year olds ride around with Meth on the floor of their car.

More than you would think. The roadside test provides a presumptive positive and probable cause for the arrest. The sample is then sent to a lab for better analysis because it is well understood that the field kits aren't 100% accurate. If it comes back negative, then charges are dropped. People come up with all sorts of lies for what that substance is or what they're doing that is suspicious. There are some stupid criminals but you can't really expect all of them to just say "oh sorry officer, that's my meth, go ahead and arrest me now." Obviously it doesn't look good when it's donut glaze, but more often than not it is the drug. My question to you is: how would you do it differently?

 

[Happy Hands]

More than you would think. The roadside test provides a presumptive positive and probable cause for the arrest. The sample is then sent to a lab for better analysis because it is well understood that the field kits aren't 100% accurate. If it comes back negative, then charges are dropped. People come up with all sorts of lies for what that substance is or what they're doing that is suspicious. There are some stupid criminals but you can't really expect all of them to just say "oh sorry officer, that's my meth, go ahead and arrest me now." Obviously it doesn't look good when it's donut glaze, but more often than not it is the drug. My question to you is: how would you do it differently?

I'd smoke it. If I got high, I would arrest him. Actually, I'd quickly take his transmission apart, put it back together and then arrest him. If the only thing that happened was my blood sugar spiked, I would arrest him--because he tricked me into eating carbs.

 

[MACHater02]

More than you would think. The roadside test provides a presumptive positive and probable cause for the arrest. The sample is then sent to a lab for better analysis because it is well understood that the field kits aren't 100% accurate. If it comes back negative, then charges are dropped. People come up with all sorts of lies for what that substance is or what they're doing that is suspicious. There are some stupid criminals but you can't really expect all of them to just say "oh sorry officer, that's my meth, go ahead and arrest me now." Obviously it doesn't look good when it's donut glaze, but more often than not it is the drug. My question to you is: how would you do it differently?

If the test can't tell the difference between donut frosting and meth, I'm not charging the person until a more reliable result comes back. I'd give them a summons or something. My employer will terminate you immediately if they find out you've been charged with a felony.

 

[jetsaholic]

The test wasn't wrong. Have you even had a Krispy Kreme doughnut?

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

If the test can't tell the difference between donut frosting and meth, I'm not charging the person until a more reliable result comes back. I'd give them a summons or something. My employer will terminate you immediately if they find out you've been charged with a felony.

I can't prove you just killed those people even if your hands are covered in a red liquid. It could just be ketchup so I'll let you go until more reliable results come back.

 

[MACHater02]

I can't prove you just killed those people even if your hands are covered in a red liquid. It could just be ketchup so I'll let you go until more reliable results come back.

I was only referring to this type of situation, go have a seat.

 

[SublimeKnight]

More than you would think. The roadside test provides a presumptive positive and probable cause for the arrest. The sample is then sent to a lab for better analysis because it is well understood that the field kits aren't 100% accurate. If it comes back negative, then charges are dropped. People come up with all sorts of lies for what that substance is or what they're doing that is suspicious. There are some stupid criminals but you can't really expect all of them to just say "oh sorry officer, that's my meth, go ahead and arrest me now." Obviously it doesn't look good when it's donut glaze, but more often than not it is the drug. My question to you is: how would you do it differently?

...we could just end the war on drugs.

 

[UCFWayne]

Wow that is just sad. Need to get that guy back in the class room to learn some things before going back on the street.

 

[sk8knight]

Wow that is just sad. Need to get that guy back in the class room to learn some things before going back on the street.

You obviously didn't read the article or you would've known that the officer was a woman. From the OS article (which could be horribly inaccurate) she was patrolling the area due to businesses requesting extra patrols because of problems with drug traffic in the area. She pulled him over for a valid reason that she normally would overlook but since they are looking for drugs then any violation is good enough to check into the car. The man was a concealed permit holder, stated he had a weapon, and no one got shot. So no problems there so far.

Now she sees a white crystalline substance in the car that resembles an illegal substance. I'm sure in her years on the force, she's made a number of arrests for a great many different drugs and I'd bet she's seen more meth than almost everyone on this board. So giving her the benefit of the doubt that she's earned through over a decade of serving the community, the unknown substance resembles meth and she runs the field test. Twice. It turns the right color. Twice. Other officers see this and corroborate. She executes the arrest.

What in any of that would cause you to think that she didn't follow policy and procedure and needs to go back to school?

 

[Good Knight Sweetheart]

I'm sad that I live 4.5 miles away from the nearest Krispy Kreme meth lab.

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[MACHater02]

You obviously didn't read the article or you would've known that the officer was a woman. From the OS article (which could be horribly inaccurate) she was patrolling the area due to businesses requesting extra patrols because of problems with drug traffic in the area. She pulled him over for a valid reason that she normally would overlook but since they are looking for drugs then any violation is good enough to check into the car. The man was a concealed permit holder, stated he had a weapon, and no one got shot. So no problems there so far.

Now she sees a white crystalline substance in the car that resembles an illegal substance. I'm sure in her years on the force, she's made a number of arrests for a great many different drugs and I'd bet she's seen more meth than almost everyone on this board. So giving her the benefit of the doubt that she's earned through over a decade of serving the community, the unknown substance resembles meth and she runs the field test. Twice. It turns the right color. Twice. Other officers see this and corroborate. She executes the arrest.

What in any of that would cause you to think that she didn't follow policy and procedure and needs to go back to school?

Well she thought it was crack first, then the test came back saying amphetamines. So she really had no idea what it was. I want to know the failure rate of these tests.

 

[jetsaholic]

You obviously didn't read the article or you would've known that the officer was a woman...

That's all you had to say, dude.

#BanWomen

 

[SublimeKnight]

Well she thought it was crack first, then the test came back saying amphetamines. So she really had no idea what it was. I want to know the failure rate of these tests.

Apparently it's quite high (no pun intended)

There are no established error rates for the field tests, in part because their accuracy varies so widely depending on who is using them and how. Data from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement lab system show that 21 percent of evidence that the police listed as methamphetamine after identifying it was not methamphetamine, and half of those false positives were not any kind of illegal drug at all. In one notable Florida episode, Hillsborough County sheriff’s deputies produced 15 false positives for methamphetamine in the first seven months of 2014. When we examined the department’s records, they showed that officers, faced with somewhat ambiguous directions on the pouches, had simply misunderstood which colors indicated a positive result.​

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

#BanDrugTests

 

[jetsaholic]

#BanDrugTests

You'd want that.

 

[sk8knight]

Apparently it's quite high (no pun intended)

There are no established error rates for the field tests, in part because their accuracy varies so widely depending on who is using them and how. Data from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement lab system show that 21 percent of evidence that the police listed as methamphetamine after identifying it was not methamphetamine, and half of those false positives were not any kind of illegal drug at all. In one notable Florida episode, Hillsborough County sheriff’s deputies produced 15 false positives for methamphetamine in the first seven months of 2014. When we examined the department’s records, they showed that officers, faced with somewhat ambiguous directions on the pouches, had simply misunderstood which colors indicated a positive result.​

Which is why they follow up with lab testing for conclusive positives before these go to trial and someone is wrongly convicted. If they didn't have the test kits, you'd probably arrest everyone and then sort it out later, so at least the tests weed out (!) some people early.

If you're on a mission to fix something here, how about we stop convicting people in the court of public opinion and stop ruining their careers on the accusation of a crime? Let's make laws that protect your job while going through the court process and then actually ensure a speedy trial. If you're acquitted, you don't lose anything. If not, then proceed as we do now. Due process should include guarantees that your life is not ruined if you're innocent.

 

[SublimeKnight]

Which is why they follow up with lab testing for conclusive positives before these go to trial and someone is wrongly convicted. If they didn't have the test kits, you'd probably arrest everyone and then sort it out later, so at least the tests weed out (!) some people early.

If you're on a mission to fix something here, how about we stop convicting people in the court of public opinion and stop ruining their careers on the accusation of a crime? Let's make laws that protect your job while going through the court process and then actually ensure a speedy trial. If you're acquitted, you don't lose anything. If not, then proceed as we do now. Due process should include guarantees that your life is not ruined if you're innocent.

He was detained, stripped searched, and forced to pay a bond to be released. In his particular case, he was also put through unnecessary pain, because he was denied his medication. All because the officer thought she found some meth on the floor of his car. Which means, that even if true, someone who was in his car at some point, dropped it on the floor (maybe him, but maybe not). He was not high, he was not impaired while driving.
He won't get that day back, he won't get whatever fee he paid the bail bondsman (or interest on money put out), and he won't just forget the incident.

The war on drugs, particularly to the extent they can punish people for possession, is ridiculous.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

#BanArrests

 

[sk8knight]

He was detained, stripped searched, and forced to pay a bond to be released. In his particular case, he was also put through unnecessary pain, because he was denied his medication. All because the officer thought she found some meth on the floor of his car. Which means, that even if true, someone who was in his car at some point, dropped it on the floor (maybe him, but maybe not). He was not high, he was not impaired while driving.
He won't get that day back, he won't get whatever fee he paid the bail bondsman (or interest on money put out), and he won't just forget the incident.

The war on drugs, particularly to the extent they can punish people for possession, is ridiculous.

The officers detained him and then arrested him. The rest would have taken place at the jail. I won't even begin to comment on what happens at the jail because (a) I'm certainly not as knowledgeable about jail operations and (b) from what I've seen that is a different world entirely.

I can agree that MJ should not be illegal given that alcohol and tobacco is legal, but I've seen the results of use and abuse of the harder drugs on families and individuals. There are people who do not use illegal drugs because they are illegal who would try them if legal. I'm not sure America is ready to be permissive to a greater number of people falling prey to and having to get treatment for addiction to heroin, cocaine, and the like. I agree that treatment should be destigmatized, but would people really seek treatment before it ruined their lives even if there were no stigma?

 

[aent]

but I've seen the results of use and abuse of the harder drugs on families and individuals

Wow, thats crazy! What country did you see this in?

 

[sk8knight]

Wow, thats crazy! What country did you see this in?

I've seen it in my own family and experienced firsthand the challenges of being the child of a drug addict, you condescending asshat. I've also seen it in families of kids I've worked with in the years since. Since you're so freaking superior, though, why don't you tell me what your experiences with children of drug addicts are and we can compare.

 

[UCFRogerz]

The should have killed him. Dead men tell no tales.