PA priests raped over 1000 kids

[UCFWayne]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/1...priests-molested-more-than-1000-children.html

Hundreds of priests were said to have molested more than 1,000 children — and possibly many more — since the 1940s, and senior church officials, including a man who is now the archbishop of Washington, D.C., allegedly covered up the abuse, according to a grand jury report released Tuesday.

horrific. i hope these scumbags burn

 

[UCFKnight85]

Insult to injury:

The report put the number of abusive clergy at more than 300. In nearly all of the cases, the statute of limitations has run out, meaning that criminal charges cannot be filed. More than 100 of the priests are dead, and many others are retired or have been dismissed from the priesthood or put on leave.

 

[cnsaguy]

Stern had a good take on this today. What better place for a pedo to go? No expectations of marriage, plenty of kids and the guise of the church to hide behind. It's proven to be almost foolproof.

 

[EweSeaEff]

Water is wet.

 

[Crazyhole]

The Catholic church is nearing its end.

 

[UCFKnight85]

The Catholic church is nearing its end.

Not at all

 

[EweSeaEff]

The Catholic church is nearing its end.

I do my best to shield from this board my personal beliefs on religion; but, I can safely say - and as someone who was once a Catholic - that the Catholic church is not nearing its end. In fact, with the new Pope (love him or disagree with him - that's for another discussion), I'd be willing to wager that the church has seen an uptick in attendance (as well as all of the things that go along with that). I can tell you that Vatican City was as busy as I've ever seen it when we visited Rome a couple of months ago.

 

[NinjaKnight]

Insanity.

 

[Knight_Light]

Stern had a good take on this today. What better place for a pedo to go? No expectations of marriage, plenty of kids and the guise of the church to hide behind. It's proven to be almost foolproof.

Sometimes wondered why priests were mostly attracted to boys as the thoughts are just so sick.

 

[Knight_Light]

The Catholic church is nearing its end.

I do my best to shield from this board my personal beliefs on religion; but, I can safely say - and as someone who was once a Catholic - that the Catholic church is not nearing its end. In fact, with the new Pope (love him or disagree with him - that's for another discussion), I'd be willing to wager that the church has seen an uptick in attendance (as well as all of the things that go along with that). I can tell you that Vatican City was as busy as I've ever seen it when we visited Rome a couple of months ago.

Ireland is getting ready to host the Pope for 2 days (first Papal visit since John Paul II in 1979) where an audience of about 500,000 got tickets to Sunday Mass in a HUGE park.

 

[The Branch]

Investigative reporters have estimated the catholic church has spent over 4 BILLION DOLLARS settling child abuse cases. I guess that money you put in those envelopes every Sunday didn't really make it to the needy after all.

I wouldn't trust any catholic priest with my kids for 10 seconds unattended.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Investigative reporters have estimated the catholic church has spent over 4 BILLION DOLLARS settling child abuse cases. I guess that money you put in those envelopes every Sunday didn't really make it to the needy after all.

I wouldn't trust any catholic priest with my kids for 10 seconds unattended.

Yea actually it does despite this vile, hateful post. I know because I go every Sunday with our parish congregation and use that money to feed poor people, help repair their homes, or buy clothing for kids in poverty.

Every single Sunday after Mass. I see many other Christian groups helping when we’re out there- somehow never see the other sects of the populace lifting a finger. “But muh taxes!”

 

[NinjaKnight]

Yea actually it does despite this vile, hateful post. I know because I go every Sunday with our parish congregation and use that money to feed poor people, help repair their homes, or buy clothing for kids in poverty.

Every single Sunday after Mass. I see many other Christian groups helping when we’re out there- somehow never see the other sects of the populace lifting a finger. “But muh taxes!”

lol, whiny little bitch 85 is so quick to claim be the victim whenever anyone correctly calls out the bullshit that is his organized religion. Multiple studies have shown that at most 5% of tithes actually go to helping the needy. But since when has 85 ever let facts or logic dictate his course of action?

 

[Sir Galahad]

The problem of the Catholic Church is pretty obvious to me. The church is run like a corporation where you have management levels and promotions. If one “division” gets into trouble, the Church views it as a business and tries to clean up the mess.

I am not a very religious person so I don’t t know how other religions do it but I always thought most churches or temples are “freestanding” to a point.

 

[CommuterBob]

The problem of the Catholic Church is pretty obvious to me. The church is run like a corporation where you have management levels and promotions. If one “division” gets into trouble, the Church views it as a business and tries to clean up the mess.

I am not a very religious person so I don’t t know how other religions do it but I always thought most churches or temples are “freestanding” to a point.

This is very true, and in the case of my parish, there was indeed a mess that needed cleaning up, including church staff pilfering money from the collection plate (and the bingo hall) and a very mismanaged school. But with the parish beholdened to a certain amount to the Diocese, regardless of the parish's financial performance, it took years to get out of the red. And guess what? now that the parish is back on its feet, they take the priest who lead the cleanup and ship him off somewhere else to do the same. He was popular and the replacement really sucks, so the parish will probably be back in the red soon enough.

 

[UCFKnight85]

This is very true, and in the case of my parish, there was indeed a mess that needed cleaning up, including church staff pilfering money from the collection plate (and the bingo hall) and a very mismanaged school. But with the parish beholdened to a certain amount to the Diocese, regardless of the parish's financial performance, it took years to get out of the red. And guess what? now that the parish is back on its feet, they take the priest who lead the cleanup and ship him off somewhere else to do the same. He was popular and the replacement really sucks, so the parish will probably be back in the red soon enough.

Yea, well, it's great to focus on the negatives that people love to envision when looking at the Catholic Church structure. And, a lot of that is true and needs addressing. But there's also the fact that the structure allows for a lot of benefit and good to be mobilized and done for parishioners. Also, by pushing down management and authority to the Diocese level, it allows for Bishops to tailor their requests and priorities for what is relevant to their communities. St Pete is its' own Diocese and the Bishop has done amazing things for people in this city that are relevant to St Pete.

There's also the fact that the Church, via Diocese management, subsidizes their schools and makes it INCREDIBLY affordable for a kid to attend a high value private school vs. the other options in the area. If we don't move, there is no way in hell that my son is attending the D rated public school we're zoned for. Yet right now my church's annual tuition is a mere $7,000/annually for a school that every parent I've spoken to raves about, whereas the secular or non-Catholic schools all run in the $15-30K range (looking at you, Shorecrest).

 

[CommuterBob]

Yea, well, it's great to focus on the negatives that people love to envision when looking at the Catholic Church structure. And, a lot of that is true and needs addressing. But there's also the fact that the structure allows for a lot of benefit and good to be mobilized and done for parishioners. Also, by pushing down management and authority to the Diocese level, it allows for Bishops to tailor their requests and priorities for what is relevant to their communities. St Pete is its' own Diocese and the Bishop has done amazing things for people in this city that are relevant to St Pete.

There's also the fact that the Church, via Diocese management, subsidizes their schools and makes it INCREDIBLY affordable for a kid to attend a high value private school vs. the other options in the area. If we don't move, there is no way in hell that my son is attending the D rated public school we're zoned for. Yet right now my church's annual tuition is a mere $7,000/annually for a school that every parent I've spoken to raves about, whereas the secular or non-Catholic schools all run in the $15-30K range (looking at you, Shorecrest).

And I bet, like my parish's school, that many kids get a scholarship to go as well. There is demand for a second Catholic HS for the Orlando Diocese for the Windermere/South Orlando/Kissimmee area, but the Orlando Diocese refuses to sponsor an additional one, forcing anyone who would want their child to go to Catholic HS to go to Bishop Moore, which is a ridiculous commute for a lot of folks.

 

[UCFKnight85]

And I bet, like my parish's school, that many kids get a scholarship to go as well. There is demand for a second Catholic HS for the Orlando Diocese for the Windermere/South Orlando/Kissimmee area, but the Orlando Diocese refuses to sponsor an additional one, forcing anyone who would want their child to go to Catholic HS to go to Bishop Moore, which is a ridiculous commute for a lot of folks.

Really? Within a 20 minute drive from me there is St Pete Catholic, Clearwater Central Catholic, Jesuit, and Tampa Catholic. And many many more K-8 Catholic schools.

 

[CommuterBob]

Really? Within a 20 minute drive from me there is St Pete Catholic, Clearwater Central Catholic, Jesuit, and Tampa Catholic. And many many more K-8 Catholic schools.

Yeah, there's like five Catholic K-8 schools within about a 30-min drive of us. Only HS in the whole Diocese is Bishop Moore, and that's like an hour drive with traffic (or more).

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

Yeah, there's like five Catholic K-8 schools within about a 30-min drive of us. Only HS in the whole Diocese is Bishop Moore, and that's like an hour drive with traffic (or more).

Bishop Moore is damn big. I think it's a 6A in sports classification. I'd send my kid there but, like you said, it's a ridiculous hike from Lake Mary.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Yeah, there's like five Catholic K-8 schools within about a 30-min drive of us. Only HS in the whole Diocese is Bishop Moore, and that's like an hour drive with traffic (or more).

Bishop Moore is a really good value. I looked it up and their tuition is $2K cheaper than CCC's annual tuition.

It's a lot bigger too i think. CCC plays in 3A athletics and BM is 6A, I think.

 

[UCFWayne]

Yeah, there's like five Catholic K-8 schools within about a 30-min drive of us. Only HS in the whole Diocese is Bishop Moore, and that's like an hour drive with traffic (or more).

that is pretty crazy they only have 1 hs in the damn area. wtf are they thinking....

 

[knightbeer]

HATE THIS. Hurts me and all Catholics. Just ****ing terrible. Like other evil deeds, learn and dont it let happen again.

I love the church and send 5 kids to catholic school. They love the church. The confusing part is that me and the wife and parents all grew up in catholic schools and never heard or noticed anything but love and good deeds. Demanded volunteer hours for the poor and less fortunate.

It's terrible and sick news. Cant twist it....cant excuse it. But....I still love the church. I still love this country more than anything and very proud of her despite slavery. Learn from it and own it.

 

[Sir Galahad]

Yea, well, it's great to focus on the negatives that people love to envision when looking at the Catholic Church structure. And, a lot of that is true and needs addressing. But there's also the fact that the structure allows for a lot of benefit and good to be mobilized and done for parishioners. Also, by pushing down management and authority to the Diocese level, it allows for Bishops to tailor their requests and priorities for what is relevant to their communities. St Pete is its' own Diocese and the Bishop has done amazing things for people in this city that are relevant to St Pete.

There's also the fact that the Church, via Diocese management, subsidizes their schools and makes it INCREDIBLY affordable for a kid to attend a high value private school vs. the other options in the area. If we don't move, there is no way in hell that my son is attending the D rated public school we're zoned for. Yet right now my church's annual tuition is a mere $7,000/annually for a school that every parent I've spoken to raves about, whereas the secular or non-Catholic schools all run in the $15-30K range (looking at you, Shorecrest).

Shorecrest is $21k year and Canterbury is $20k a year but those parents don’t want a religious based school. There is also financial aid for those schools as well that can get prices much lower.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Shorecrest is $21k year and Canterbury is $20k a year but those parents don’t want a religious based school. There is also financial aid for those schools as well that can get prices much lower.

I have neighbors with a kid at Shorecrest right now. It's $23K/year for HS but when they add up all of the other "required or associated" expenses that are also needed, it's $27K'ish per year. It was $21K for K-8.

https://www.shorecrest.org/page/admissions/tuition

I know they're non-religious- that's my point. The Catholic Diocese delivers a huge value to parishioners by running schools with 1/3 the cost of other good private schools in the area.

 

[cnsaguy]

I'm happy to say that I made it thru my CCD and altar boy years w/o getting diddled.

 

[Knight_Light]

One disowned and accused Priest received a reference letter from his Diocese in PA so he could get a job at Disney World, which he did for 18 yrs till his desth.

http://amp.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article216719535.html

 

[UCFBS]

Stern had a good take on this today. What better place for a pedo to go? No expectations of marriage, plenty of kids and the guise of the church to hide behind. It's proven to be almost foolproof.

^ This has been my main issue with 'organized religion,' especially around their approach to 'forgiveness.'

Just because the 'church forgives' and accepts 'anyone of the faith' doesn't mean they don't report crimes, ensure due diligence in keeping select clergy out of certain roles, etc...

That's why I like Christians, but am always very suspect around organized religion. The former, at least in pure form, tend to be very spiritual, like the latter are very political.

I've had the same, major problem with the Democratic party, I like true Liberals (even if I disagree with those who aren't fiscally conservative), but most Democrats today are actually illiberal now -- and more so than Republicans (especially since 2006).

 

[UCFWayne]

One disowned and accused Priest received a reference letter from his Diocese in PA so he could get a job at Disney World, which he did for 18 yrs till his desth.

http://amp.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article216719535.html

god that is scary

 

[NinjaKnight]

So this turned into a thread about schools...awesome. Literally a thousand kids were raped in a single state, and that is the extent of the outrage. Meanwhile Christians, even the ones on here, threw a literal shit storm talking about the end of society as we know it due to child raping if transgender bathrooms became a thing.

Hypocrite doesn't even begin to do this justice.

 

[Sir Galahad]

I have neighbors with a kid at Shorecrest right now. It's $23K/year for HS but when they add up all of the other "required or associated" expenses that are also needed, it's $27K'ish per year. It was $21K for K-8.

https://www.shorecrest.org/page/admissions/tuition

I know they're non-religious- that's my point. The Catholic Diocese delivers a huge value to parishioners by running schools with 1/3 the cost of other good private schools in the area.

And if they are paying the full amount they are in a very small minority. If they have more than one child it’s a huge discount. There are many other discounts but the one thing I’ll say about both Shorecrest and Canterbury, nearly 100% of the graduating kids go on to a four year university. That is what the parents pay for, I doubt that happens at most catholic high schools.

 

[UCFKnight85]

And if they are paying the full amount they are in a very small minority. If they have more than one child it’s a huge discount. There are many other discounts but the one thing I’ll say about both Shorecrest and Canterbury, nearly 100% of the graduating kids go on to a four year university. That is what the parents pay for, I doubt that happens at most catholic high schools.

Actually it does. In fact CCC (for example) puts it right on their front Academics page. My coworkers son graduated from Jesuit and their last class had a 99% college acceptance rate.

http://www.ccchs.org/academics/

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

So this turned into a thread about schools...awesome. Literally a thousand kids were raped in a single state, and that is the extent of the outrage. Meanwhile Christians, even the ones on here, threw a literal shit storm talking about the end of society as we know it due to child raping if transgender bathrooms became a thing.

Hypocrite doesn't even begin to do this justice.

Eh, it was talked about and progressed/devolved (depending on how you look at it) to schools.

In everyone's defense, I don't think anyone condones these disgusting pederasts and is probably at a loss for how this has made the Catholic Church look over the years. I know it has been a very divisive issue for many of the people of my parents' generation.

 

[NinjaKnight]

Eh, it was talked about and progressed/devolved (depending on how you look at it) to schools.

In everyone's defense, I don't think anyone condones these disgusting pederasts and is probably at a loss for how this has made the Catholic Church look over the years. I know it has been a very divisive issue for many of the people of my parents' generation.

If a single transgender person raped a kid in a public bathroom, you and I both know it would not progress in the same manner. Yet here we have literally a thousand kids...and no one bats an eye.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

If a single transgender person raped a kid in a public bathroom, you and I both know it would not progress in the same manner. Yet here we have literally a thousand kids...and no one bats an eye.

I do bat an eye. Really and truly, I don't know what to say about all this. That's not me throwing up my hands and saying "oh well,"' it's just being honest. I can write about a lot of things eloquently but it's difficult for me to put into words my problem with all of this.

 

[goodknightfl]

Lefties love the catholic church. They have a socialist Pope, They hire priest who do not practice age nor sex discrimination. Now if they will just change on abortion they would be gold.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

Lefties love the catholic church. They have a socialist Pope, They hire priest who do not practice age nor sex discrimination. Now if they will just change on abortion they would be gold.

Stfu and piss off, old man.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Eh, it was talked about and progressed/devolved (depending on how you look at it) to schools.

In everyone's defense, I don't think anyone condones these disgusting pederasts and is probably at a loss for how this has made the Catholic Church look over the years. I know it has been a very divisive issue for many of the people of my parents' generation.

lol did someone really suggest any of us are "condoning" this horrific shit? smh

 

[NinjaKnight]

lol did someone really suggest any of us are "condoning" this horrific shit? smh

No, no one suggested that. If you weren't such a massive sniveling snowflake you would know that. You gave a pathetic "adding insult to injury" comment and then started talking about how amazing the church is. You are the problem.

 

[1ofTheseKnights]

...I don't think anyone condones these disgusting pederasts...

Exactly. For me it is impossible to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Can't separate the schools, hospitals, etc all the works of the greater Church and controlled/affiliated because of some pedos.

I mock "with us or with the terrorists" but there's supposed conservatives and/or Christians in here love to take shots at the Church thinking that that somehow advances conservatism? Advances Christianity?