Coach O'Leary stated over the weekend that no leaders have stepped up on the team. I haven't seen any evidence to prove him wrong in that regard. Where is the leadership from the players? O'Leary can't catch passes. He can't return kicks. He can't cover a receiver. He can't block a defensive lineman. He can't make a sack (we did get 5 sacks in the UConn games, one of the few positives). Quit whining about "well, O'Leary is the CEO, so he should take all the responsibility." That's a cop-out. This is a TEAM game. Coaches should accept responsibility, yes, but players need to do the same. Everyone hangs together, or everyone hangs separately.
Players need to accept responsibility, too, not just O'Leary
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How can there be leadership on the field when there isn't any leadership on the sidelines? It trickles down, dude. You want players to become leaders, be leaders as coaches. The first thing a leader does is take responsibility for his mistakes, instead of blaming the players for it. Maybe the players would feel a bit more empowered if they felt like the coaching staff had their back. Instead, they just keep blaming the players.
Was hoping Holman would step up and clearly lead the team this year. The injury didn't help. Not sure if he'll be able to take on that role. Youth and inexperience is an excuse that gets less viable with every game that goes by. 6 games into the season and I've yet to see signs of improvement. Of course the players own their share of that failure, but ultimately there's one guy who is paid handsomely to recruit, coach, and lead this team -- GOL. He buys the groceries and cooks the meal, so he's gonna hear about it when it tastes like ass.
And I gotta pull my worth on the team
Yeah, so my contract could be mean
Stadium full of fans screaming for me
Live on TV, the game’s on me
Actually the game’s on us, because we winning as a team
but thats a daydream in the hood still scheming.*
Yeah, so my contract could be mean
Stadium full of fans screaming for me
Live on TV, the game’s on me
Actually the game’s on us, because we winning as a team
but thats a daydream in the hood still scheming.*
You can't knock a walk on for dropping a pass or messing up a kickoff. I wouldn't complain about GOL or Key if they worked for free.
I thought we got some bluechip leaders last year?
I thought there was a good game plan going into the UCONN game. They were spreading the offense and getting good yardage. I think Holman got impatient after the dropped passes and tried to do too much. Young players made young player mistakes.
Coaches fault? Sure. Players fault? Sure.
I thought there was a good game plan going into the UCONN game. They were spreading the offense and getting good yardage. I think Holman got impatient after the dropped passes and tried to do too much. Young players made young player mistakes.
Coaches fault? Sure. Players fault? Sure.
Players only meeting led by seniors would be an example of leadership.
Just because the players are not performing six games into the season would not be indicative of no leaders. What it would mean is that the coaches are not improving their players. If its 1 or 2 players making poor mistakes its on those specific players, if its 10-20 guys making mistakes now its on the coaching staff.
Just because the players are not performing six games into the season would not be indicative of no leaders. What it would mean is that the coaches are not improving their players. If its 1 or 2 players making poor mistakes its on those specific players, if its 10-20 guys making mistakes now its on the coaching staff.
How can there be much leadership with the flipping of starters (27 at last count?) ?
The mind trust really messed up this season when they closed the fans out of practice
and then started telling everyone how much they liked the chemistry of this team.
Now the B.S. is flying back in their face. Whose fault is this? If they needed us (the fans)
to be more patient with them then they should have let us see what the issues were beforehand.
The mind trust really messed up this season when they closed the fans out of practice
and then started telling everyone how much they liked the chemistry of this team.
Now the B.S. is flying back in their face. Whose fault is this? If they needed us (the fans)
to be more patient with them then they should have let us see what the issues were beforehand.
8 dropped passes this game. 6 on 3rd down that would have extended drives. That alone is a huge part of what happened vs UCONN. Youth is killing us.
Let's get back up to 85 scholarships which includes starting seniors and we will be fine. Going to take our lumps, but we will be back soon.
The younger players don't have to be perfect, but they do have to be accountable for their mistakes. Are they being accountable for their mistakes? Based on GOL's comments I've heard so far, they are not. If he turns out to be wrong, great, I'm fine with that, but I haven't seen or heard anything to this point that refutes what GOL said. Have you?
What do you want the coaching staff to do? Take the blame for everything? I agree that the coaches should have some accountability, but some of you GOL critics act as if, all of a sudden, GOL and his staff have magically forgotten how to coach a football team. I want to be fair to the players here; I'm not trying to put it all on their shoulders. However, if GOL, who has had a lot of success coaching teams at UCF, says that the players need to hold themselves more accountable, I would tend to believe him until I see or hear evidence to prove him wrong. An 0-6 record doesn't erase everything he's accomplished, and it doesn't erase the leadership he's shown before.
I don't have a problem with them partying unless they're doing something at a party that somehow impacts their football performance. Anyone want to speculate on what football players might do at parties that would make them go 0-6 on the field? LOL
Are they getting Sarkisian lit?* Does it go against GOLs rules....if so name the players.
If they're being responsible (not breaking team rules, not breaking the law, etc.), then sure, go ahead and party. College students go to parties . . . who knew?
, is he for real?
I agree with everything you said except this: O'Leary and his staff do seem like they have forgotten how to coach. They forgot how to recruit because those kids that "don't listen" and "don't want to take responsibility" came to UCF because they were recruited. So why did the staff go after them?
It all comes back to O'Leary, dude. He's the boss. It's always the boss' fault.
Actually, many of the 14 walk-ons/former walk-ons plus 30 first time ever starters this year have been held accountable...as just look at the starting spots that change from week to week let alone from series to series.
Probably is there are not qualified players available at many positions this year because or lack of depth so yes, some that have made major mistakes (drops, missed assignments, etc...) are still getting PT because of injures/lack of depth.
Players know during games and especially after in film sessions all the mistakes they make and try to get corrected during that week's of practice...but too many of them are getting PT well before they are ready, hence why there are so many mistakes every single week.
Good news is, most young players improve over time...and while it might not show this year...2016 and 2017, UCF will probably see plenty of good performances while these young guns grow up.
Of course college kids party, but as a team that's probably on the verge of going 0-12 and just gotten curb stomped at home, do you really think should be rewarding yourselves by partying?
Sorry to break it to you but life isn't like the movies and doesn't have a 'crunch training' scene like in Rocky where all the players work out 24/7 for a week and then become the underdog winners.
If it's on the players than you either recruited poorly or did not coach them. True that freshman will be worse than upperclassmen. I think it's a combination of all factors.
No recruits are perfect people. Recruits don't come into a program already knowing everything there is to know about playing college football. Just because a freshman doesn't understand the concept of responsibility now doesn't mean he's incapable of learning. Yes, O'Leary has criticized the players for not owning up to mistakes, but on his televised coaching show, he's also said that they are talented and will be good players. That doesn't sound to me like he thinks he made a mistake recruiting all of them.
Saying "it's always the boss' fault" may sound good, but the reality is that everyone on the team bears a certain amount of responsibility. The head coach can't do everything. Sure, O'Leary can sometimes make a wrong playcall, or maybe not emphasize a certain drill in practice enough, or whatever. All head coaches make mistakes. But we're talking about a guy who has led this program to new heights in many ways: national rankings, conference championships, a BCS bowl, better facilities, more respect for the program, etc. His successes have more than made up for the down seasons in the past. Whatever happens the rest of this season, I think O'Leary should have another shot next season. If he decides on his own that he should step down, then I'll respect that decision, but until he says otherwise, I'll support him having another shot in 2016.
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Actually, many of the 14 walk-ons/former walk-ons plus 30 first time ever starters this year have been held accountable...as just look at the starting spots that change from week to week let alone from series to series.
Probably is there are not qualified players available at many positions this year because or lack of depth so yes, some that have made major mistakes (drops, missed assignments, etc...) are still getting PT because of injures/lack of depth.
Players know during games and especially after in film sessions all the mistakes they make and try to get corrected during that week's of practice...but too many of them are getting PT well before they are ready, hence why there are so many mistakes every single week.
Good news is, most young players improve over time...and while it might not show this year...2016 and 2017, UCF will probably see plenty of good performances while these young guns grow up.
I have a pic for you, too, Firm . . . .
If 10 dummies decide to meet in a room, does the meeting automatically yield a useful product? Who knows? Calling a players only meeting doesn't equal leadership. Any dummy can call a meeting. I have been to some useless meetings at my old job before I decided to hire myself.
