Any updates on Demarco Artis and/or Antwan Owens on whether they have decided to defect to FSU and USF, respectively? I see lots of Nole stuff on Artis' twitter lately.
Possible decommits
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Owens is fine to leave, we just signed to 6'6" 255lb studs. Artis was a hidden gem but FSU found him.
I actually feel the opposite. Owens is a 285 lb stud and is a rare find as a DE coming out of HS. Artis actually is not much better than Mitchell or Bacote who arrive this year and will transition to LB instead of their HS DE positions. They are both graded the same as Artis and appear much stronger. Artis looks like he is allergic to the weightroom...getting by on talent (quickness) alone so far, which doesn't translate well when going to the next level. Hope he has a nice seat cushion.
Not a fan of trashing a prospect right when it looks like he may decommit
FSU being after Artis this early in the Recruiting Cycle is just proof that Frost is recruiting high level talent. There will be losses/gains all the way to Signing Day but I love this staff's grind on the Recruiting Trail.
FSU being after Artis this early in the Recruiting Cycle is just proof that Frost is recruiting high level talent. There will be losses/gains all the way to Signing Day but I love this staff's grind on the Recruiting Trail.
At this stage with all the positives in recruiting no need to get greedy about a few leaving. I know how we've loved good DE play as fans and expect that some new faces will be providing that.
I think John Grudden recently gave a recruit some good advice when he said, "it's important to select a school you would want to go to outside of just playing football when you have multiple good options". I hope that's the choice he makes because being a starter as a 3-star athlete at FSU is certainly not a given and just practicing with no game time is a grind.
I think John Grudden recently gave a recruit some good advice when he said, "it's important to select a school you would want to go to outside of just playing football when you have multiple good options". I hope that's the choice he makes because being a starter as a 3-star athlete at FSU is certainly not a given and just practicing with no game time is a grind.
You are totally right Poolside. I failed to take the high road in my comments and I apologize to the Board for that. I also agree that Frost and staff are doing a great job in identifying and securing the talent that we need going forward. Actually, I wish Artis and all recruits, especially those from Central Florida, nothing but success on and off the field, no matter where they attend. I guess my bias toward UCF showed through in my earlier comments.
He is 3 star now, but since FSU offered watch him mysteriously move to a 4 star.
Gators will probably offer him as well. I read that he decommitted from Kentucky in the spring. So, its a game the kids play, and the schools. The lure of playing for FSU though is pretty strong. The kid must be stoked on the offers. I hope he stays with UCF. He would get immediate playing time no doubt.
Gators will probably offer him as well. I read that he decommitted from Kentucky in the spring. So, its a game the kids play, and the schools. The lure of playing for FSU though is pretty strong. The kid must be stoked on the offers. I hope he stays with UCF. He would get immediate playing time no doubt.
No hard feelings towards any of these kids. They are 17 and love getting recruited. We will get some flips later in the year so it's all good
Not sure why anybody would decommit to go to USF:
"Playing time for 3-4 years is underrated. That's how you make it to the NFL."
---Josh Robinson, Josh Sitton, Latavius Murray, Kevin Smith, etc.
Doubt any of them would have got to the point that they did with 1-2 years
or less of full-time or partial playing time. They all played significantly for 3-4 years
That DE from PA, that is the one I hope we don't lose. That kid has a motor. He will be a beast by the time he graduates.
Artis = lifelong Nole fan. It also has to do with his late father and him both being Noles fans I've heard. It was his dream to play at FSU. Good luck to him. F the CrimiNoles however. LOL
Think he would have been great at UCF, but thems the breaks.
Think he would have been great at UCF, but thems the breaks.
We are talking 2017. There will be at least a dozen commits and de-commits before national signing day
I'm glad some of these kids are even CONSIDERING UCF.
FSU is near top P5
UCF was bottom G5 in 2015. This soon to change.
PT is important, but these teams are a world apart and some kids don't see the importance of early PT. Of course, many of the most talented kids think they can play and start for FSU, as they should.
I'm glad some of these kids are even CONSIDERING UCF.
FSU is near top P5
UCF was bottom G5 in 2015. This soon to change.
PT is important, but these teams are a world apart and some kids don't see the importance of early PT. Of course, many of the most talented kids think they can play and start for FSU, as they should.
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His brother attends FAMU...so as a family...thats a hard combo to turn down (both son's going to school in Tallahassee).
I wish Artis the best, next recruit up. Maybe down road when he will transfer back to UCF.
Ouch on this comment: "As of right now, Artis is the lowest-rated recruit to be a part of Florida State’s Class of 2017. He’s one of only two three-star pledges. Whereas he was a bona fide star as part of UCF’s recruiting class, he’s an also-ran when he enters in Tallahassee." http://usatodayhss.com/2016/demarco...to-florida-state-was-unbelievably-predictable
Unfortunately college football is a business so I don't hold a grudge. Only thing that stinks is he goes from being a star in our class vs the fans thinking they are wasting a scholarship at FSU. Hopefully he can prove them wrong.
Antwan Owens' twitter looks like he is still planning to stick with UCF. He possibly realizes it's a great opportunity for him to make immediate impact.
That isn't correct. We aren't all about 4 and 5 Star players. Jimbo Fisher actually doesn't give a flip about the Star Ratings. He goes after 5 Star Players. He goes after 4 Star Players. He goes after 3 Star Players. He even occasionally goes after 2 Star Players or even No Star Players. He basically does his own evaluation and if that happens to jive with what Rivals thinks of a player then so be it. If it doesn't line up with how Rivals rates a player then so be it. He doesn't care. He evaluates the tape and how the player performs when they come to his camp and if they perform he offers them no matter how many Stars they have.
Perfect example: Devonta Freeman. He had Zero stars and hardly any other offers when FSU offered him in Summer 2011. Freeman committed to us on the spot and by the time his Senior year of high school finished he was a Four Star Player. Currently he is the starting Running Back for the Atlanta Falcons.
Demarco Artis can play. I don't care that he is a 3 Star. He is good. He can play the run, rush the passer and cover in space. He is the real deal and I predict he plays a lot of Football on the field for FSU in the coming years.
Jimbo cares about stars. He is always getting stud 5 star athletes but is showing that he isn't very good at developing them. The team is good because it's loaded with great recruits but unlike GOL, they progress because of competition not coaching.
How do you figure Fisher isn't good at developing players? Have you taken a look at the past four NFL Drafts?
Yes, a lot of 4,5 star talent underachieving against inferior competition but eventually overcoming them with depth.
If underachieving is having a 49-6 record and winning a National Championship over the last four years from 2012-2015, I'll take underachieving any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
For the record, in the last four years we've lost two games to what I would call inferior competition. We lost to NC State on the road in 2012, and we lost to Georgia Tech on the road in 2015. But even those teams have talent and anybody can beat anybody on any given day.
I wouldn't call losing to Houston losing to inferior competition. Houston is good and could compete in any of the Power 5 Conferences.
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Bobby Bowden was getting 4,5 star 'high rated' talent his last 5 years and they were getting blown out by Wake Forest
Jimbo Fisher knows how to identify and develop talent
You are just making the point that you can win games if you have more talent than the other team. In nearly all games, FSU has more talent than the other team on the field. I can't think of the last game where they has less talent than the other team. Yet, they struggle against teams where they have an overwhelming amount of talent.
Florida's 16th-Ranked Wide Receiver, Emmanuel Greene: 'I'm Locked in With UCF.'
http://www.scout.com/college/footba...685-florida-s-no-16-wr-i-m-locked-in-with-ucf
http://www.scout.com/college/footba...685-florida-s-no-16-wr-i-m-locked-in-with-ucf
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http://www.heraldtribune.com/articl...2636?Title=Mustangs-Jackson-a-Knight-at-heart
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