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Pro sports being rigged

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Do people really believe that an institution like the NBA, MLB, NFL, or nhl are actually rigged at the National level?

Do you know how many people would have to keep their mouth shut? I can see on ref or one player or possibly even one whole team might do some things to shave the score, but an entire league? Never going to happen because you can't control that many people effectively.
 
Do people really believe that an institution like the NBA, MLB, NFL, or nhl are actually rigged at the National level?

Do you know how many people would have to keep their mouth shut? I can see on ref or one player or possibly even one whole team might do some things to shave the score, but an entire league? Never going to happen because you can't control that many people effectively.
You don't think its possible for someone very high at a league office telling an official or two to lean one way or another?
 
The Packers, Cowboys, Steelers and Patriots would win the SB every year if the NFL were fixed and they only wanted popular teams winning. College football is an example of a rigged sport.
 
The job of sports leagues is to sell entertainment. They have no legal obligation to be truthful in the results of games. I'm pretty sure the NBA is full of ish. I like to believe that the NFL and the MLB are a higher caliber product.
 
I only think the NBA is not clean. No way the one ref was the only dirty one. YouTubing the NBA is rigged soooo many lol Wtf was that foul calls, Dwayne Wade is allowed to travel, the NBA lottery & teams tanking, like half the league makes the playoffs, just **** the NBA
 
The NBA is rigged. The last 10 years of playoffs have me convinced. I watched the Bulls to some degree this year but it was painful.
 
I only think the NBA is not clean. No way the one ref was the only dirty one. YouTubing the NBA is rigged soooo many lol Wtf was that foul calls, Dwayne Wade is allowed to travel, the NBA lottery & teams tanking, like half the league makes the playoffs, just **** the NBA
In every sport there is one or two guys who are not clean, but I am talking about the institution being rigged like boxing and horse racing were. Where the corruption is wide spread and organized so that the winner is determined.

Some guy missing shots so his team wins by 3 instead of 30 to manage the spread doesn't count as rigged, that is just one guy or one team. I am talking about Stern and the owners saying that it will be Nets Warriors in the Finals and then doing everything necessary for that to happen. There are just too many people who would have to keep their mouth shut and I don't believe it for a minute.
 
In every sport there is one or two guys who are not clean, but I am talking about the institution being rigged like boxing and horse racing were. Where the corruption is wide spread and organized so that the winner is determined.

Some guy missing shots so his team wins by 3 instead of 30 to manage the spread doesn't count as rigged, that is just one guy or one team. I am talking about Stern and the owners saying that it will be Nets Warriors in the Finals and then doing everything necessary for that to happen. There are just too many people who would have to keep their mouth shut and I don't believe it for a minute.
I don't think there is a league where you have wide spread corruption but it only takes a few people to script an outcome. If the nba wants an LA/NY finals and both teams are decent teams it would not be hard for someone in the league office and three officials to make it happen.
 
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One of the biggest reasons I stopped watching the nba was the whole Shaq to LA situation. By rule, LA was tampering with Shaq for a very long time, many thought the League helped LA get Shaq because LA needed a marque big man. It was all market driven, the final nail in the coffin was the Lebron Miami thing. Three players collude to join one team and while it may or may not be against the rules, the players should not run the league.
 
the final nail in the coffin was the Lebron Miami thing. Three players collude to join one team and while it may or may not be against the rules, the players should not run the league.

By definition, what you describe is not collusion, since it was not breaking the law or NBA rules.

Heaven forbid if players exercise the free agency they earned after four or five years of restricted rights, and put themselves in the best position to win. That's not the American Way at all.
 
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The NBA did nothing to help LA. Shaq always wanted to play there even before he was drafted by the Magic. He let that be known to the world as soon as he declared for the draft out of LSU. I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with the fact that he ran around for an entire year saying "Orlando is my first option" when he knew damn well that it wasn't. He has acknowledged that he didn't handle that correctly and probably shouldn't have left Orlando with absolutely nothing in return.
 
NBA refs are a joke and make terrible calls all the time. It seems like sometimes those calls have a purpose. Another reason why Im no longer a fan.
 
Entire NBA corrupt? No agree w ur reasons. Refs BS calls & guys missing shots etc to spread manage absolutely.

Also they're the only league where it's ever crossed my mind. Easy to reinforce when you look at the bizarro fouls you can pull up on YouTube.
 
I love how they do the draft lottery behind closed doors, thats just ridiculous. They could easily show the process and no one would ever question if it was rigged. Clearly, they have something to hide.
 
The NBA isnt rigged. It's just stupid to have 70 year olds officiating a game where 6'10" statues of men are flying literally over their heads. You mean Joey Crawford cant keep his eye on the contact AND the block/charge semicircle at the same time? No way!!!!!!

NBA looks rigged because the refs are set up to fail and then people make up their own biases.
 
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It doesn't have to be an explicit rigging, but those refs all know that what's good for the NBA ratings is what's good for them. Lebron goes out early and ratings drop. Period.
 
I spent a year investigating rigged fights for the Florida Boxing Commission. From that experience I learned that fights that looked rigged (Kimbo Slice) are not rigged. Fights that look legit are sometimes, but not always, rigged out the bunghole.

My dad played college basketball. When I was about twelve, he walked in on me watching the Atlanta Hawks playing on the old WTBS cable station. He completely flipped out and said the league was rigged and not to waste my time with it. This was in the early 80s, when there wasn't any sneaker or TV money in the league. He won't talk about why even to this day, but I get the impression he knows first hand or through friends he played with that it is rigged. I can't imagine the NBA being any cleaner now that billions are involved. I don't think I've ever sat through an entire NBA game on TV because of his admonishment. I went to a couple of Bulls games, but I was living in Chicago in the mid 90s. Everyone in town took in Jordan and Pippen at least once.

It's common knowledge in Italy that the football games are rigged. There are two teams who have never beaten each other in decades. The games are always a draw. There's more money and prestige on the line in those sports than American baseball and football.

Given this background, I would say that some, but not all, contests in baseball and football are rigged with the full knowledge of the league and some without their knowledge. Heck, the salary cap, free agency, the single entity rules in MLS, these are all ways of ownership subtly rigging outcomes so teams like the Pittsburgh Pirates don't have a chance to make it to the World Series anymore. If you doubt me, only a fool would not have recognized that Bonds McQuire and Sosa were doping, but baseball let it go because of the money. Letting them play is a way of rigging outcomes against teams that don't have those players on those drugs.
 
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Why you guys even speculating? There are pockets of corruption. It's been proven numerous times. The BC Basketball scandall, the Tim Conaghy fiasco and so on. The only question is how systemic it is.

On July 20, 2007, columnist Murray Weiss of the New York Post reported an investigation by the FBI into allegations of an NBA referee betting on games to control the point spread.[19] It was revealed that Donaghy, who has a gambling problem, placed tens of thousands of dollars in bets on games during the 2005–06 and 2006–07 season and had been approached by low-level mob associates to work on a gambling scheme
 
Why you guys even speculating? There are pockets of corruption. It's been proven numerous times. The BC Basketball scandall, the Tim Conaghy fiasco and so on. The only question is how systemic it is.

On July 20, 2007, columnist Murray Weiss of the New York Post reported an investigation by the FBI into allegations of an NBA referee betting on games to control the point spread.[19] It was revealed that Donaghy, who has a gambling problem, placed tens of thousands of dollars in bets on games during the 2005–06 and 2006–07 season and had been approached by low-level mob associates to work on a gambling scheme
Jesus Christ at least read the topic.
 
The NBA isnt rigged. It's just stupid to have 70 year olds officiating a game where 6'10" statues of men are flying literally over their heads. You mean Joey Crawford cant keep his eye on the contact AND the block/charge semicircle at the same time? No way!!!!!!

NBA looks rigged because the refs are set up to fail and then people make up their own biases.

Why do you try and speak rationally with these fools?
 
1) Ice gets it. There is less speculation about the NHL because there are more refs on the ice and the average retirement age for a ref is slightly higher than the average retirement age of a player. Even then, they do the best they can and probably miss half of the penalties.

2) Huffy, your Dad might have broken hearted player syndrome. "The system is rigged" because they were only hiring black guys for his position or guys who knew coaches from AAU days or whatever. Hell, I caught hell because I wasn't French Canadian when I was playing hockey. If I was bitter, I could say it was rigged that way. Truth is, those guys were way better than me and that was their subtle way of saying it.

These are the days of the internet where and "anonymous" source can make 6 figures blowing the whistle on guys from some "media" outlet that is trying to make a name for itself. There is more money in an expose for the lower rung guy than he would make in the scam.
 
Interesting conversation on 620 in Tampa this morning. The Hosts, who are Times writers said that you would have to be crazy not to see the upside for the NHL if it were to be an NY/Chicago final. They went on to break down the TV viewership increase and how it impacts advertising contracts. Basically said a one point increase in TV viewership could equal mealy a billion dollars in future advertising for the NHL.
 
SHHH that is the conspiracy. They want to expand merch sales in the beach states so it will be a Ducks Bolts series. You saw how Lundquist and the refs worked together to make the Lightning win.
GDS, you can live in any fantasy land you want but there is no way a league like the NHL who struggles to capture viewers would not have preferred a NY/Chicago final. That was the point of my last post. As for leagues being fixed, proof is against you seeing how it has been proven in the past.
 
GDS, you can live in any fantasy land you want but there is no way a league like the NHL who struggles to capture viewers would not have preferred a NY/Chicago final. That was the point of my last post. As for leagues being fixed, proof is against you seeing how it has been proven in the past.


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GDS, you can live in any fantasy land you want but there is no way a league like the NHL who struggles to capture viewers would not have preferred a NY/Chicago final. That was the point of my last post. As for leagues being fixed, proof is against you seeing how it has been proven in the past.

Let me explain something to you. Sports leagues are human created institutions and because of this are subject to the same dynamics as other organizations... both good and bad. PEOPLE are involved. Preachers stealing from church coffers, your boss insider trading, Wall St, politicians being scumbags, the list goes on. To say it's any different than the rest of society is laughable. If you want to say sports are fixed fine... then concede that the rest of society is fixed and let's form a new baseline.

The problem isn't that flawed human beings screw up. People get bent out of shape over this bc they realize every other institution they're a part of is a rigged game of BS and sports is supposed to be some type of holy escape from their pathetic world. And if they have reason to suspect that even their escape is a lie then wtf is left?
 
The NBA did nothing to help LA. Shaq always wanted to play there even before he was drafted by the Magic. He let that be known to the world as soon as he declared for the draft out of LSU. I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with the fact that he ran around for an entire year saying "Orlando is my first option" when he knew damn well that it wasn't. He has acknowledged that he didn't handle that correctly and probably shouldn't have left Orlando with absolutely nothing in return.

You can add to that, the Magic have arguably the best player in the NBA, and low balled him with first offer. Any chance Orlando had was killed before negotiations ever began. The first offer should have been huge.
 
You can add to that, the Magic have arguably the best player in the NBA, and low balled him with first offer. Any chance Orlando had was killed before negotiations ever began. The first offer should have been huge.

I think the Magic's first offer was 115 million. That prompted the poll in the Orlando Sentinel. He ended up signing for 121 million with LA. I guess you could call that a low-ball offer, but Shaq was gone regardless.
 
GDS, you can live in any fantasy land you want but there is no way a league like the NHL who struggles to capture viewers would not have preferred a NY/Chicago final. That was the point of my last post. As for leagues being fixed, proof is against you seeing how it has been proven in the past.
1) Sure they want Chicago / NY for TV revenue in the short term, BUT they also want Anaheim / TB for long term viewership expansion in non-traditional hockey markets. They haven't been shy about that since the Lightning came to be. I worked in hockey around that time and in every meeting I was ever in, the NHL, USA Hockey, the manufacturers all wanted the sunshine markets because they knew where their longterm TV dollars would come from.

2) Regardless of the outcome they wanted as an institution, they don't rig the games. At best you can rig the spread, but you can't rig outcomes of a 7 game series.

20 guys on the bench each playing approximately 20 out of 60 minutes. You can control your line but you can't control them all.
Goalie - You can let in some soft goals, but if you let in more than one, you are getting the hook.
Coach - You can mismatch your lines but you can't make your players under perform. You can't account for their heart.
Equipment Guy - You can stress fracture sticks and knick blades for less control, but you can't stop that guy from working through garbage equipment.
Ref - You can make some questionable calls, but you can't get away with enough questionable calls to give the games away.

In order to rig a series you have to have guys in each layer of that to be in on it. That is just too many parts to make it happen.

As I say, I don't doubt that there is point shaving in every sport, but I don't think outcomes are determined institutionally because the coverup always finds one snitch in the bunch
 
GDS, you can live in any fantasy land you want but there is no way a league like the NHL who struggles to capture viewers would not have preferred a NY/Chicago final. That was the point of my last post. As for leagues being fixed, proof is against you seeing how it has been proven in the past.

For ratings purposes...the last few days prior to last night's game, the hockey guys on NBC Sports and the "guy" on ESPN, plus others on ESPN Radio...said the obvious...Original 6 of Chicago vs New York would have easily brought in the highest ratings out of the 4, but over half said Tampa vs Chicago Cup would be the most entertaining style of play.
 
GDS, I did not say the NHL was rigged, I said they would prefer an original six final for rating purposes. All that aside, I said they would not call game seven like the others and with NY not receiving one penalty it's hard to argue.
 
GDS, I did not say the NHL was rigged, I said they would prefer an original six final for rating purposes. All that aside, I said they would not call game seven like the others and with NY not receiving one penalty it's hard to argue.
Because the NHL has players who can play without committing penalties when they need to. There wasn't a single call that didn't get called from my standpoint. In fact the only 2 penalties that were called were a phantom trip where the guy didn't fall and the player's stick never came near the skates and a too many men on the ice. It isn't that the refs swallowed their whistles its that the players made an extra effort to play clean.

Quick question do you go to a NASCAR race and talk about why it would be better if they turned right instead of left?
 
GDS, I did not say the NHL was rigged, I said they would prefer an original six final for rating purposes. All that aside, I said they would not call game seven like the others and with NY not receiving one penalty it's hard to argue.
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