Q&A: UCF offensive coordinator says they'll be creative to win
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Q&A: UCF offensive coordinator says they'll be creative to win
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Conditioning keeps on coming up in the coaches comments. Wonder if this was part of our problem last season? Perhaps, the players were strong in lifting but not in good enough wind condition? Would explain why they only played good for one quarter.
Also, could this be the result of the Planter accident/lawsuit, that gasers were taken out of conditioning drills?
Also, could this be the result of the Planter accident/lawsuit, that gasers were taken out of conditioning drills?
I just can't understand why nearly every freshman was considered "too weak" or not conditioned enough in the past. If you train hard enough under the guidance of a good college strength and conditioning coach from May or June, you should be in pretty good shape by September or so if you're an 18 year old. Unless you've been doing absolutely nothing in high school. Some of our DBs recently look
like they have never seen a weight room. Inexcusable, especially for a redshirt.
like they have never seen a weight room. Inexcusable, especially for a redshirt.
There is a big difference between a 17-18 year old freshman and a 22-23 year old senior physically. Then add to that the speed of the game because the plays and terminology is all new. I think GOL said it was easier to get younger guys in the further away from the ball they were because there it is mostly speed.
Some of that is simply a matter of maturing. Most 4 and 5 star guys have already developed, and are a step ahead of others. Often 2 years later they are on an equal footing. Some 17 year olds are men and others are boys.
There have been plenty of beasts as freshman that have even played at UCF and at DB, RB, etc. Some true freshman. We had a 300 lb bench press club in high school and there were a lot of guys on it that didn't do steroids and barely got stronger throughout their lives. They were 17.
Yes.., everyone is different and your average 18-19 year old isn't as developed as a 21 year old, but some are. Especially if you're a gym rat. Geez.., you're on scholarship. They feed you and train you. Don't be a toothpick and out of breath after a couple of series.
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This is true to a degree, but I can tell
you. Gibson was way too weak and he was like a 4 star. He better pick it up this year. Just one example.
I think they talk about it because both the offense and defense are gonna see a lot of time on the field with minimal rest so conditioning is a top priority in addition to knowing the system.
Definitely can relate to physical difference between being 17 and 20 in strength. I'd love to replay my last year of H.S. football as a 19 year old rather than 16 year old which I was at the time. I turned 17 before I graduated and was approached by coaches working out the summer after graduating. I'm talking High School for myself but the same thing happens in college as it happened earlier for me between junior high and high school.
Think it's hard to get around this if you're a coach who is stuck with playing freshmen like we seemed to be last season. Key didn't do himself any favors with his play calling and strategies.
Think it's hard to get around this if you're a coach who is stuck with playing freshmen like we seemed to be last season. Key didn't do himself any favors with his play calling and strategies.
Bet we will see freshman play this year that are actually somewhat ready to be on the field and well conditioned. The whole program last year seemed so apathetic. Something was definitely wrong with the conditioning as well. Maybe because the defense was worn out from an inept offense and on the field just too long. However the offense wasn't exactly full of conditioned athletes as well. Large numbers of injuries and lineman just looking tired and getting pushed around.
Was our receiver ran down vs. Tulane because he was too slow or too tired?? If that happens under Frost, I would be surprised. We are going to play a lot of guys.
Ugghh...I had almost erased that memory from my mind. Where's the whiskey?
I am not the least bit surprised if the O-line is a bit winded after 3 or 4 plays. They were recruited to play one style of football and they are transitioning to a new style. Most of those guys are going to lose some weight and when they do they will be better able to handle the pace. Hopefully, the coaches will coach'em up and they will be ready when fall starts. Honestly, I would think by the end of spring they will be able to handle more of an up tempo style. It's all about being in shape. Its a different level of fitness required for this offense.
Sure...you will be in pretty good shape as an 18 year old....but odds are, most are much more developed by the time they are 20-21-22 years old...after they've enjoyed 3-4 full off-seasons strength/conditionign...let 3-4 preseasons too.
College strength/weight/conditioning programs are night and day vs what they are like in HS.
If our priority is speed, we will certainly have to toughen up some of these recruits with conditioning as we reload this team.
Ideally, as we spoke about in the past we need a steady flow of talent that is ready to step up when called upon like other universities such as the big 3 in Florida. Last season was just a reminder that GOL continued to have up and down years despite his championships. The highs were pretty high but so were the lows pretty low.
Ideally, as we spoke about in the past we need a steady flow of talent that is ready to step up when called upon like other universities such as the big 3 in Florida. Last season was just a reminder that GOL continued to have up and down years despite his championships. The highs were pretty high but so were the lows pretty low.
I am happier than anyone with the change in regime that came with Frost, but let's not bash O'Leary. He wanted to retire after our Fiesta Bowl, and UCF pushed him to stay on. I don't hold him nearly as accountable for the 2015 season as I would if he hadn't wanted to let go of the reigns.
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These guys were conditioned for strength not speed. They were not expected to run a full game of hurry up offense. All new conditioning.
It is interesting and fun and it helps bring some parity, but ultimately it fails to win national championships. The big boy game of teams like Alabama have proven over time that the no-huddle can't win over the long term of the season. What will be interesting is if it ends up making any overall difference at UCF over the course of 5 years or so.
I think we're a ways a way from winning a national championship. How about we take baby steps and work on winning some games first.
True but Frost might be able to use it to exploit the less talented and poorly coached teams in our conference. It's different when you have 3-5 weeks to prepare for it, another story when you only have a week.
The good thing for UCF is that if anyone knows how to run the system and has the street cred to recruit players for the system it is Frost. Many programs run it but Oregon is the gold standard for the system. Getting the OC from the Ducks was the best possible move for UCF to transfer to this type of system. Had UCF hired some other coach from a program that was running this system I would have been concerned. I am excited for the possibilities and the change.
For the same reason no HS kid would ever get drafted out of high school even if they could. They are not developed enough. Also everyone's body is different. I was 115 pounds until my sophomore year in college when I started to fill out. No matter how much I would work out I still looked like that guy from the old gym ads.
meh that argument is just SEC guy patting themselves on the back, college football has an imperfect postseason. Look at Oregon's record under Chip Kelly, it speaks for itself & he was one fluke Auburn not called down play from a Title in addition to living in the Top 10 every year for almost a decade. Every Program but Bama would love to have that
Same thing happened when UCF met Baylor. When you execute the pro-style offense well and your defense holds up their end the result is usually in favor of the pro style offense. But the hurry up does exploit weaker teams and as such you end up winning against teams in the regular season. Once they get to the Alabamas of the world and other teams that actually play defense things are not so good.
That had more to do w UCF having one of the best or maybe the best/most clutch QB in the Nation that season. Not the system and if you rewatch the Fiesta Bowl Taaffe was running a hybrid Spread offense for most of that 1st half vs Baylor. Blake & Storm torched them on the ground w some read option
