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Mike Wilbon just made a comment on the ( local DC ) Tony Kornheiser show. He said that Berlin ( and Tony added Seoul, Korea to the list ) was more an American city that wasn't in America. That due to so much of it being destroyed in WWII, and the post war occupation, that you hear English as much as you would in Dallas.

He also added that places such as Prague and Madrid are more like you would expect them to be, representing Old Europe.

Is this accurate?
 
lol, what?

I've been to Berlin. Yes a large portion of the people speak English but what you "hear" on the streets is German. People don't walk around speaking English to each other. I've also been to Seoul and I was often desperate to find SOMEONE who spoke English when going around the city. However, the people are extremely nice and will try to help even if they don't understand a damn thing you say. I will say that I found English in Seoul much easier than Tokyo. No one speaks it there.

Madrid is easily one of my favorite cities. It's amazing. It's no more "Old Europe" than a lot of cities in Europe, but it's true that a lot of people there can't speak English. However you can easily get around with some remedial Spanish.
 
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Mike Wilbon just made a comment on the ( local DC ) Tony Kornheiser show. He said that Berlin ( and Tony added Seoul, Korea to the list ) was more an American city that wasn't in America. That due to so much of it being destroyed in WWII, and the post war occupation, that you hear English as much as you would in Dallas.
Along with the associated, anti-American backlash. In all of central Europe, even compared to rural, northern France and the low countries, I was presented with general contempt by about 1/3rds of Germans who served me, unlike anywhere else.

SIDE NOTE: Ironically the US still, despite troop withdrawls, pumps a lot of money into various, local, German city and regions, per NATO agreements. Rumsfeld, to his credit (he has his negatives too), actually tried to put an end to that in 2005, but the current administration reversed it and is blowing even more money for almost 1/5th the troop levels a full decade later. No good deed goes unpunished I guess ... cannot stand Americans for indirectly "Americanizing" much of their country, despite propping up a lot of locales with American money, that continues today.

He also added that places such as Prague and Madrid are more like you would expect them to be, representing Old Europe. Is this accurate?
They are also two of the cheapest places to visit and even live too, in the EU.

If I could recommend one, single city in all of Europe ... it's Prague, above almost anywhere else (I haven't been everywhere ... yet, so not sure if it's #1).

WARNING: UCFBS-style dribble ahead (you've been warned, TL'DR, etc...)

Imaging Chicago, only 1,000 years old, with more churches than even a midwesterner could fantasize about. All in the heart of one of the greatest, industrial complexes and shining examples of a Democratic-Republic prior to WWII, that is now just recovering from the double-rape of the Nazis and then the Soviets.

The Czechs were the only power that could stand up to Hilter, from fortifications and weapons to the technical know-how and industrial capability, all in the north. Hitler knew this, and Munich (Chamberlain, Kennedy in tow, et al.) gave him all those lands ... handing over the core component of last, sole and only remaining Democracy in central Europe post-WWI to a fascist dictator. The rest of the country capitulated after for obvious reasons, and laid in wait, while the Nazi's raped their country of their art and heritage. But unlike the Poles and others, they didn't strike before they could, and most of their country was preserved.

By late '44, they struck as the Soviets rolled in. Unfortunately, the Soviets just raped them again, taking art away once again, and most still has never been returned. Unlike the Nazis, the Soviets didn't destroy buildings, so most of it was preserved. Even when the Czechs revolted by the '60s, one of the few Soviet states that still had the industrial and intellectual capability to do so, they put it down with tanks, not the threat of destroying their heritage. And without the Czechs and the Velvet Revolution, it's questionable if the Reagan administration would have started what finally dropped the iron curtain, or at least not as fast.

You really have to go and spend some time in the nation. You will fall in love with the Czechs. If there is a nation that has an American like will and defiance, possibly more so after being "sold out" by the British, French and, passively, Americans like Kennedy (JFK's father was the US' ambassador and supported the appeasement policy) ... it is them. Even today the Russians expend more money on intelligence and trying to undermining social fabrics in the Czech Republic than anywhere else, even versus the Ukraine. Your dollar will go far too, at least for now. Both English and German are very commonly used.

Also, if you're not into boney, unhealthy, Paris-type model women and prefer womanly figures, plus don't expect "American-issued flawless teeth" (although the rise in standard of living over the last decade has changed this), you'll find the Czech Republic and [the south] Slavic women the result of one of the most interbred human nationalities -- from the overland spice and (return) crusader routes -- over a thousand years in the making. I realized this long ago, back in the '80s, when it was unpopular to find communist women attractive. Even my somewhat jealous wife, being largely a Hungarian-American (2nd generation, parents weren't born here), quickly gave into letting me constantly avert my eyes, because a number of women were very similar to her in appearance (although Romanian is still distinctly different than Slavic, although still much closer than compared western Europe influenced Americans).

Hence why I'm a bit biased on recommending Prague ... the city, the places, the history, the people.
 
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LOL, pretty much what 85 said. Most people in Berlin and other Western European cities can speak English. They do love our tourist dollars. That said, you dont hear it as the spoken language when walking around, only when needed. Prague is also Americanized, but no more than other big touristy Western European cities.
 
In Berlin, they speak German, but pretty much everyone speaks English, too. Easy place to communicate. The thing about Berlin is so much of it is modern compared to a lot of Europe, due to the bombing. It is a cool city, just not the most picturesque. There is still a crapload to see and do, and great museums.

Prague is beautiful, and very picturesque. It is easy to get by using English only. Step 15 minutes outside of the center of town, which people rarely do, and good luck! I almost got my nuts cut off by a fat Czeck mob-boss in a matching sweatsuit, after trying to sit at his table in a bar outside of town.

Madrid is cake. Most people speak English, and if you've had any high-school Spanish class you can at least figure out the easy stuff. Huge city, though, and hotter than hell in the summer. There are pretty areas, but I really wouldn't consider it beautiful like Prague. It is just very spread out. Not everything is in one small area like Prague.
 
The best places to get around with English in Europe are the Scandinavian countries. I've yet to be in a place in Norway, Sweden, or Denmark where people don't speak really good English.
 
Prague is beautiful, and very picturesque. It is easy to get by using English only. Step 15 minutes outside of the center of town, which people rarely do, and good luck!
Yes, be careful as you go rural. Prague and more modern and commercialized Brno have many people who speak English. But head out 15 minutes and it's a completely different story. Stick to the mass transit, don't drive there. ;)

I almost got my nuts cut off by a fat Czeck mob-boss in a matching sweatsuit, after trying to sit at his table in a bar outside of town.
Oh man ... where was that? Assuming you're not trolling, of course. ;)
 
Oh man ... where was that? Assuming you're not trolling, of course. ;)

It was still in Prague, but in the area of Nusle, southeastern part of the city. Not the touristy area.
Walked into this pub down in the basement of this building, almost looking like something out of the Hostle movies. Dank place. All the tables had "Reserved" signs on them, but nobody was in there. I found a table without a sign, but with another table next to it with two guys. My group plops down and next thing you know the two guys are yelling at us, wondering what the hell we were doing, all in Czech. We play stupid for a few seconds and he picks up a sign on his table that basically said "Reserved Always". He was still mumbling creepy Czech stuff towards us as we walked to a different table. He wasn't a happy dude, but he had a sweet mobster sweatsuit. I thought for sure that I just pissed off the Russian mafia or something.
 
It was still in Prague, but in the area of Nusle, southeastern part of the city. Not the touristy area.
Walked into this pub down in the basement of this building, almost looking like something out of the Hostle movies. Dank place. All the tables had "Reserved" signs on them, but nobody was in there. I found a table without a sign, but with another table next to it with two guys. My group plops down and next thing you know the two guys are yelling at us, wondering what the hell we were doing, all in Czech.
Yeah, get outside the core cities and you will hear neither English nor German.

Even Brno worried me I might have trouble communicating when I first got there, with extremely few there knowing any English, even in the train stations. I finally found one booth who did, limitedly, but it was enough.

We play stupid for a few seconds and he picks up a sign on his table that basically said "Reserved Always". He was still mumbling creepy Czech stuff towards us as we walked to a different table.
Probably "Stupid Americans, assume they can go everywhere." Probably right, hence why you weren't touched, as long as you complied.

He wasn't a happy dude, but he had a sweet mobster sweatsuit.
I guess you now know what a real Bohemian Rhapsody looks like. ;)

I thought for sure that I just pissed off the Russian mafia or something.
Considering how much the Russian intelligence services spend, including on native resources in-country, according to the BIS ... you never know. ;)
 
A lot of Czechs are just Soviet-lites.
I know you were posting in jest, but in all honesty, most Czechs are very determined and strong-willed. They were the only state to finally tire of their BS and finally rise up against them after 20 years of the non-sense and rape of their nation.

The Soviets were smart and used the regional allies to quell the uprising in the late '60s, backed by their might and poorly (or well, for the Soviets) timed with the most controversial times of the US' involvement in Vietnam. Then they rewarded them by depriving them of everything for another 20 years. And when they finally relented, it only took them 5 more years to force the issue, only this time, very well timed with Reagan's late moves.

If Putin et al. ever push it, they will be our best ally in the region, even over the Germans.
 
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I have never been to Europe. Gotta go someday. The flight scares the crap out of me, though. Flying sucks.
 
I have never been to Europe. Gotta go someday. The flight scares the crap out of me, though. Flying sucks.
Virtually all airlines doing trans-Atlantic flights today have sizable, wide body jets, with massive, powerful engines that can continue to run damaged and even climb on a single engine. So you're not only feeling less turbulence, but you're very safe, short of a catastrophic fuselage failure.

I.e., I do rather enjoy flying trans-Atlantic more than domestic, because of most of the equipment involved.

Now if I had to fly to the Pacific Rim, I might be a bit more concerned with some of the airlines and their issues there, even some of the cultural differences in pilots too.
 
lol, what?

I've been to Berlin. Yes a large portion of the people speak English but what you "hear" on the streets is German. People don't walk around speaking English to each other. I've also been to Seoul and I was often desperate to find SOMEONE who spoke English when going around the city. However, the people are extremely nice and will try to help even if they don't understand a damn thing you say. I will say that I found English in Seoul much easier than Tokyo. No one speaks it there.

Madrid is easily one of my favorite cities. It's amazing. It's no more "Old Europe" than a lot of cities in Europe, but it's true that a lot of people there can't speak English. However you can easily get around with some remedial Spanish.
Seoul is great and filled with all sorts of western influences. Also a large Australian tourist destination as its only a 9 hour flight from Sydney. But you don't have to go too far from the city center before you run out of English speakers. There's also the blatant racism that really has nothing to do with Americans specifically.
 
lol, what?

I've been to Berlin. Yes a large portion of the people speak English but what you "hear" on the streets is German. People don't walk around speaking English to each other. I've also been to Seoul and I was often desperate to find SOMEONE who spoke English .

I've only been to Berlin, 85 has it. Never had a place I couldn't use English really... but German is definitely the language being spoken all around. Fantastic city.

Oh and Prague is largely the same, although not as prevalent as Berlin.
 
I'm surprised that a blowhard radio personality speaks in hyperbole and absolutes. I'd think that they would do proper research before getting on an open mic and talking.
 
Virtually all airlines doing trans-Atlantic flights today have sizable, wide body jets, with massive, powerful engines that can continue to run damaged and even climb on a single engine. So you're not only feeling less turbulence, but you're very safe, short of a catastrophic fuselage failure.

I.e., I do rather enjoy flying trans-Atlantic more than domestic, because of most of the equipment involved.

Now if I had to fly to the Pacific Rim, I might be a bit more concerned with some of the airlines and their issues there, even some of the cultural differences in pilots too.

Yeah man, I just get really nervous on flights. Bad.
 
I've visited ever major city in the world. They all have sizable English speaking populations. It's the language of business. Also, in many countries English usage is perceived as being upper class or educated. You will have trouble learning languages in a foreign country as an American, because the locals want to practice their English or demonstrate to you that they have been educated properly. Even inside Germany, Germans will use English over the phone when talking to people elsewhere in Germany where the accents are different or they have trouble understanding each other. Whether it is a crowded train going across Siberia or walking across Spain with people from 19 different countries, when people get together and they don't speak a common language, they quickly decide on English even before they figure out that an American is participating. I can't tell you how many times on the Camino I walked up or sat down next to Germans trying to talk to Dutch people or Danes and they were using English.
 
Virtually all airlines doing trans-Atlantic flights today have sizable, wide body jets, with massive, powerful engines that can continue to run damaged and even climb on a single engine. So you're not only feeling less turbulence, but you're very safe, short of a catastrophic fuselage failure.

I.e., I do rather enjoy flying trans-Atlantic more than domestic, because of most of the equipment involved.

Now if I had to fly to the Pacific Rim, I might be a bit more concerned with some of the airlines and their issues there, even some of the cultural differences in pilots too.
Flying doesnt scare you. Flying on American planes that are 30 years old with no amenities scares you. Book a flight on Singapore Airlines or Cathay Pacific. Even the Big 3 out of Dubai, though they are cutting back on perks in business class. It is night and day compared to the cramp and rattle of american carriers and the prices are typically cheaper, you've just got to grit your teeth to fly across the country before switching airlines in a West Coast hub. Without sounding too much like chemmie, I booked an awards flight on Singapore using Chase points. The cost of a roundtrip ticket was less than half the miles as a similar ticket on AA and Delta. 82,500 for first class total roundtrip, iirc. It cost me 50,000 Delta points just to get to SFO from Tally. SFO to Singapore. Dom Perignon, Givenchy sheets, Ferragamo wake-up kit, 9 course tasting menu, 24 inch private video screen, lie flat bed with massage. Heavenly.
 
Yah - if you can't get laid in the EU as a single guy, you can't get laid anywhere. Lots of hot fraulines looking to practice their english, and their jumping up and down skills after a few pints.
 
Flying doesnt scare you. Flying on American planes that are 30 years old with no amenities scares you. Book a flight on Singapore Airlines or Cathay Pacific. Even the Big 3 out of Dubai, though they are cutting back on perks in business class. It is night and day compared to the cramp and rattle of american carriers and the prices are typically cheaper, you've just got to grit your teeth to fly across the country before switching airlines in a West Coast hub. Without sounding too much like chemmie, I booked an awards flight on Singapore using Chase points. The cost of a roundtrip ticket was less than half the miles as a similar ticket on AA and Delta. 82,500 for first class total roundtrip, iirc. It cost me 50,000 Delta points just to get to SFO from Tally. SFO to Singapore. Dom Perignon, Givenchy sheets, Ferragamo wake-up kit, 9 course tasting menu, 24 inch private video screen, lie flat bed with massage. Heavenly.

I haven't paid full price for a flight in 5 years.

International business/first is a whole new world. It actually makes flying enjoyable. Even "lesser" international airlines like Iberia have a vastly superior luxury product than anything we are used to. I flew Iberia business this summer and it was amazing.
Next year I'm doing Cathay, but from what I've seen, their product might not be the best in the skies anymore with the AB380. 3 foot wide seat looks incredible, though.

How was Spain? I had 5 days in an apartment in San Sebastian a block from the beach. Didn't even do a michelin star, just pintxos and cider house dinners. Looks like I might have to go back again in 2017 after Asia next year.
 
Solid. The 500 hundred miles of the Camino isn't for the faint at heart. Twenty miles of hiking each day minimum with a variety of accommodations depending on where you are. One day literally a homeless shelter. Next day, the room Napoleon slept in after conquering Astorga. Some days the food was canned spaghetti and other days 2 star meals that kings used to kill for. The best meal however was a dude who made paella in his backyard for us. I lost 40 lbs. if you go back don't stay anywhere except a Parador
 
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