Rannell Hall's year is over
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Wow. Sucks.Our WRs are having a difficult time with injuries in the NFL. Looking for a big year from Brandon Marshall. Any updates on JJ? I noticed that Perriman didn't play in the Raven's first game.
Whenever I think of money-player Marshall, all I can think of how GOL switch him the biggest DB in college football to make sure we lost every game. He did the same with Our other returning, pro-size receiver. It was O'Leary's way of saying "I'm in charge, and we're going to become a grind it out offense with huge linemen and lots of Georgia players. [Am I still bitter after all these years? You bet. Need a Frost-coached game to cleanse my palate. And more cowbell!]
JJ has been cut, and not signed as far as I know. His chances probably are over. Perriman is injured again, but all are hoping he's back for week 1. The same damn thing can be said for Gaethers- injured and hoped back for week 1. In case anyone didn't know, we actually did get a rookie player onto an NFL team- Demetrius Anderson DT (injured for the entire crap 0-12 season) is on the Packers, an apparently injured/ did not play in their game.
Man do I hate anything, cow bells included, that takes away from the enjoyment of the game. (slightly sarcastic, but I'd love to shoot the damn beach balls that popped up when I was lucky enough to live in Largo (Tampa) and got to go to every game.)
Man do I hate anything, cow bells included, that takes away from the enjoyment of the game. (slightly sarcastic, but I'd love to shoot the damn beach balls that popped up when I was lucky enough to live in Largo (Tampa) and got to go to every game.)
We'll see this week if the Browns value him, or if Hall thinks he can heal and get on another team later this year, if they reach an injury settlement and cut him.
That coaching produced 3 conference titles (I don't count shared titles and played for two more), and a BCS bowl win. Most programs would love to play for or win/co-win six titles in 12 years. Those who dwell on the bad times or years can stay there. This year is likely to be kind of brutal in some games but it'll be fun to see the new style develop (along with the players).
Yeah Matt. I agree. It's as if folks know more than GOL. Not defending him, but come on. He did what he did for a reason.
This is the dumbest thing I've read in a while. GOL switched Marshall and Mike Walker because we were DESTROYED with injuries and players leaving in the secondary. Not to prove some fictional point.
Who is this guy?
JJ
JJ needs to get into the arena league, CFL, or overseas. He has too much talent. Can't beleive no NFL team wants to give him a shot. This guy is a star
You remember what the coach said was the reason. And sure the defense sucked, but so did the offense. So here's the actual story. GOL intended to mold UCF's identity into a smash-mouth running game along with a good running QB because that's what worked for him at Georgia Tech. He knew they weren't going anywhere his season, so he dedicated the offense to learning to block the inside run game. Every quarterback he got at UCF he compared in terms of of his old GaTech QB, Joe Hamilton. We had a string of afterthought quarterbacks good at handing off to 220 lb. running backs. Even Jeff was an outrageously elusive broken field runner until he got hit too often. Bortles was the exception, too good and too much a winner to keep off the field. Brent Key recruited so much receiver talent and Taaffe took over the offense, so O'Leary couldn't really object. Still GOL insisted on Blake running too much, putting our one golden season a hit away from ending.
Your "actual" story is 100% speculative. I'll have to go with what the actual coach said over what you "think" happened. A lot of "intended" and "he knew" = subjective.
Yeah, sure. Like any other coach in America would have made that switch. Argument was absurd on the surface. Hey, Michael Jordan, we're really thin at center, so I hope you don't mind getting battered under the boards this season. Oh, Reggie Jackson, our pitchers aren't doing well with their battery mates, so I'm moving you to catcher -- one finger's a fastball and two is the slider. Also, by not getting to further develop their talents, cost both players dearly in draft round taken. But check out the coach's quotes if you want.
Actually, your comparisons aren't equal. I don't know about basketball so I'll leave it, but a better comparison in baseball is Hey, middle reliever, our rotation is worn-out or every prospect we have isn't ready, why not start some games. As you probably know, that happens. I don't think it's that unusual for WR or hey even QBs to be turned into CBs or defenders for one reason or another. But, I don't think anyone can deny GOL did try to mold us in his image.
Comparing apples and oranges is a pretty weak argument. You are comparing college freshman and sophomores on an 0-12 football team with some of the greatest names in
sports (other sports i may add)
history.
Since Marshall is a lock for the hall of fame, was a favorite in later years of GOL and UCF, and has made more money than he could possibly spend, I think things turned out OK for him and his relationship with the program. Took one for the team back then at UCF and I'm sure is proud of it
As for Mike Walker, a 3rd round pick, 64 receptions as a junior and a school record 90 as a senior wasn't at all affected by 6 or so games at DB. Took one for the team (UCF) and played a few years in the NFL.
Can't argue with the facts.
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Getting off the point. The point is big deal that Brandon Marshall was asked to switch to DB as a sophomore or whatever to help a team out that was thin at that position
He moved back to WR eventually (under GOL I might add) and this type of thing is done all the time
Didn't Greco go from QB to DB and actually play in the NFL?
Isn't Frost putting some offensive lineman on the D-line
How many QBs who were studs in high school and who played QB briefly in college were switched to WR? Godfrey, Patti, Dinovo, Nico Flores, etc.
He moved back to WR eventually (under GOL I might add) and this type of thing is done all the time
Didn't Greco go from QB to DB and actually play in the NFL?
Isn't Frost putting some offensive lineman on the D-line
How many QBs who were studs in high school and who played QB briefly in college were switched to WR? Godfrey, Patti, Dinovo, Nico Flores, etc.
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The only relevant "facts" were the ones I referred to in my post: the round they went in the draft, which constrains the signing contract and dictates the base for their early career years. Of course you can say that made Brandon extra angry, hungry, and determined to prove them wrong, but even for him, it was a tough climb from low salaries at the beginning. With Walker, going in a higher round would have made his injury-shortened stay a lot more lucrative. They both also lost the chance for the development and stats to leave for the pros early like Kevin did.
I also don't understand how "a lock for the Hall of Fame" players is a bad comparison with "the greatest players in the game."
Uh, if your best player is not playing at a position that makes anywhere near the best use of his talents. Wasn't that clear enough? We didn't exactly light up the scoreboard that season and Marshall wasn't more than just good in the defensive backfield.
Best player?? We knew in 2004 that Marshall was going to be what he turned out to be??? It's about the team. Not thinkng about the NFL. Coaches don't think that way. At that time the defensive backfield was so depleted, that was the best move. We just did an entire 360.
Marshall started 7 games in 2004, led the entire team in tackles, had at least one INT (he was pretty good and shows how weak we were defensively) and played the entire rest of his career at WR, starting 21 games before and after that. There's not one bit of fact to your statement that he was made a DB to throw away the season "lose every game", or trying to make him something he wasn't to prove a point or to mold him.
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Believe it was Brando Marshall that went to O'Leary to "volunteer" to play DB too since the team was so short handed in 2004.
Marshall, who obviously still has some off the field issues even to this day, (as he did while at UCF), still does the right thing more than not, including this.move back in 2004.
I knew I could count on your knowledge to put this to rest
Great post. I think prof was just trolling and or obviously didn't follow the team back in 2004 and is just clueless about the past.
I hope it was the former.
A lot coaches see the writing on the wall and give up on winning now in favor of building for the future. The difference here was moving your difference makers at receiver for the short term to defense with no intention of developing them there.
Prof, you are embarrassing yourself. Please stop.
Brandon Marshall was a QB ("athlete") coming out of HS and was a project.
He had only 30 receptions in his first 3 years at UCF (including a redshirt season).
Marshall and Walker had to play both ways in 2004 for lack of depth and their teammates and fans appreciated their efforts.
Marshall boomed on the scene in late 2005, especially his final 3 games (after Walker got hurt), that really helped him get noticed by the scouts.
Hey, KL. You're my hero. You don't have to pick a side on this. No, I didn't take a dislike to GOL because of the resume issue, nor because he seemed incapable of being quoted verbatim (how could such an utterly inarticulate coach get past an interview?). What sparked my ire was when he used his TV program to repeatedly and unnecessarily dis players (when he remembered their names) who had no way to defend themselves. Even the least classy coaches known for verbal (or even physical) abuse of players, don't resort to that. So when he told us about the receiver's request to go to defense, it was after Marshall had already seen the writing on the wall (a season running decoy post patterns) -- GOL's new offense wasn't going to make us of his talents (as you mention from his stats). Nicely timed was the just posted clip of Kevin Smith shutting down Castro-Walker (Brandon, too, preferred being in the action than being a decoy).
By the way, I didn't know the process in the NFL preseason at least, was to cut a player before they put him on IR. So, Hall was cut, and has since been put on the Brown IR list. So they still do value him apparently. Not that any of the rest of the above has anything to do with Hall. Perriman's still out, was expected back by now, kind of like last year, Bouye is the most improved player in Houston (according to coaches) and is injured (groin I think), Geathers is still out and they're hoping he's back by week 1.
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