Report: FedEx may try to help buy Memphis' way into the Big 12
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And we've all seen how much FedEx has done for the BE/AAC, right?
First they were supposed to bring the Liberty Bowl, which opted for the 5th place B12 team over the champion of Memphis' new conference. Then they were supposed to help us make a new high paying bowl to entice a quality opponent, but from the looks of it they had nothing to do with the Miami Bowl so we've got a rotation of G5 opponents.
It's all hot air.
UCF is also a bigger deal than Memphis.
Can we all at least agree that any negative commentary regarding FedEx and the Memphis bid to be Big 12 bound is pure jealousy on the part of our fans? How bad would we love for a corporate behemoth to get behind UCF and support our bid for better athletic/academic opportunity?
While I want us to get to the next level as bad as anyone, my hat is off to Memphis for getting such an endorsement.
As far as use of capital, FedEx is already sponsoring the PGA FedEx Cup. I'd say college football garners significantly more eyeballs and will probably cost them half of what they're paying for golf.
While I want us to get to the next level as bad as anyone, my hat is off to Memphis for getting such an endorsement.
As far as use of capital, FedEx is already sponsoring the PGA FedEx Cup. I'd say college football garners significantly more eyeballs and will probably cost them half of what they're paying for golf.
Always...just not publicly. The original Big East plan submitted by espn had us included with $10 million per year.
So fed ex doesn't care about Memphis anymore because they're in the AAC? What kind of logic is that?
You (Memphis) aren't doing anything. This is about fed ex trying to bribe the B12 to take Memphis.
Can we please stop talking about Memphis on the UCF board? Come on back and gloat when the ink is dry, but you know what? Memphis will still just be a polished turd!
There is no doubt that it is a benefit for Memphis, but without Fed-Ex and a basketball history Memphis has far less upside than 4-5 other AAC teams. If it were a straight exercise in demographics and earnings potential they would likely be 5 or 6. But since it is also a bit of a beauty contest and history/ego trip for old school athletics guys they are in the running.
Man, PussyPride loves posting on the UCF board. He must have no life. I guess the PussyLair board must be awfully lonely if he must have to spend so much time here. Talk about a no life MF'er. Jesus. He must be waiting with baited breath to try to get a post in here. Talk about a Spammer. You need to get off your computer and go find a woman or something. You spend way too much time here.
I don't get why UCONN and Cincy aren't mentioned as teams also "actively lobbying" the Big 12. They are, aren't they? Why aren't they also being mentioned?
Hey, the Big12 needs to add another doormat for Texas and OK to roll, so why not Memphis?
The reality is that FedEx support is nothing but hot air and wishful thinking.
So, FedEx claims they are ready to be a sponsor of the B12 Championship game and the B12 basketball tournament. NEWS FLASH: Someone is going to sponsor those events anyway, regardless of whether FedEx is involved or not. The only thing FedEx does is add another bidder to the process which MIGHT drive up the final offer by 10% over what the B12 would have gotten for those sponsorships without FedEx.
NEWS FLASH #2: UCF is about $45 million PER YEAR more valuable than Memphis. Memphis fans just can't deal with that reality. Tennessee has about 2.5 million TV households. Florida has about 7.6 million TV households. That means Florida provides three times more Tier 3 revenue for a conference network than Tennessee does. Based on how the B1G Network and the SEC network make their money, even if the B12 network only gets 75% as much as the B1G network per subscriber, UCF is worth approximately $68 million per year while Memphis is only worth about $22 million per year.
So, FedEx claims they are ready to be a sponsor of the B12 Championship game and the B12 basketball tournament. NEWS FLASH: Someone is going to sponsor those events anyway, regardless of whether FedEx is involved or not. The only thing FedEx does is add another bidder to the process which MIGHT drive up the final offer by 10% over what the B12 would have gotten for those sponsorships without FedEx.
NEWS FLASH #2: UCF is about $45 million PER YEAR more valuable than Memphis. Memphis fans just can't deal with that reality. Tennessee has about 2.5 million TV households. Florida has about 7.6 million TV households. That means Florida provides three times more Tier 3 revenue for a conference network than Tennessee does. Based on how the B1G Network and the SEC network make their money, even if the B12 network only gets 75% as much as the B1G network per subscriber, UCF is worth approximately $68 million per year while Memphis is only worth about $22 million per year.
NEWS FLASH: "Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush."
Also, households don't account for jack when nobody is watching. And, NEWS FLASH... nobody is watching. (Not that this couldn't/wouldn't change with bigger, better competition. But with UF, FSU, Miami, and transplanted folks making up a very large percentage of those households, it's going to take time. Possibly a loooooong time. So when you account for that, Memphis likely doesn't have the same competition for eyeballs.)
In no way trying to defend a Memphis bid over UCF, but you have to be realistic and remove the Black and Gold glasses for a second. Because you can sure as shit bet that the B12 brass doesn't have that tint on theirs.
Wasn't the fiesta bowl the highest rated college football game ever in the Orlando market?
Woody, when UCF is playing people that matter everybody is watching. Definitely not gonna take a long time, just take Sublime's post from above.
1. Cite source. Just because you say it on a message board, doesn't make it true. I've seen some pretty cockamamie stats bandied about around here, and this one is up there. While it may have been highly rated...
2. IIRC, the game started at 8 or 9pm on the night of Wednesday Jan 1, competing against virtually nothing.
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WHAT??!!! Seriously?...
Omg. I thought everything you read on the internet was true. And you couldn't post anything that wasn't true. Dammit!
Let's be honest. The other reason Tiger Pride is here is because he is afraid of us taking a Big 12 bid over them. I don't think the big 12 network gets done, so he is worried over nothing.
"The Fiesta Bowl garnered a 7.1 overnight rating
for Central Florida upending Baylor 52-42, up nine percent from the 2013 Orange Bowl, which aired in the corresponding day/time slot (6.5, Florida State defeating Northern Illinois 31-10). Orlando led all markets with a 17.4, the highest bowl overnight rating ever for an ESPN network in the market."
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...ings-increase-for-rose-fiesta-bowls-combined/
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for Central Florida upending Baylor 52-42, up nine percent from the 2013 Orange Bowl, which aired in the corresponding day/time slot (6.5, Florida State defeating Northern Illinois 31-10). Orlando led all markets with a 17.4, the highest bowl overnight rating ever for an ESPN network in the market."http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...ings-increase-for-rose-fiesta-bowls-combined/
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"The Fiesta Bowl garnered a 7.1 overnight rating
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...ings-increase-for-rose-fiesta-bowls-combined/
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Muckdawg24, my hero...
"The Fiesta Bowl garnered a 7.1 overnight rating
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...ings-increase-for-rose-fiesta-bowls-combined/
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Burned? Not quite. Highest for an ESPN network. He specifically stated "highest rated college football game ever in the Orlando market." When there have been FSU, UF, Miami, and other NCGs and bowl games on ABC... It's a stupid statement.
Also, when you consider the point I made above regarding time, lack of competing programming, etc., this was an amalgamation of events likely to never occur again (unless something REALLY ****ing special occurs).
- UCF's first season in a BCS conference
- UCF's first BCS bowl bid
These do not make for consistent viewership which is the point of my original post rebutting the number of TVs. Getting those TVs to change from current loyalties will take time. Possibly a loooooooong time.
I bleed black and gold, but some of you really have to start being realistic.
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"The Fiesta Bowl garnered a 7.1 overnight rating
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...ings-increase-for-rose-fiesta-bowls-combined/
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You realize how many major games have aired on ESPN? UCF got #1 ever in a top 20 market. Proves people will care and watch.
It's OK to admit you just don't get it. It's 100% understandable as you are, like many diehard fans, blind to the reality of situations past and present.
You are right about one thing. People cared and people watched.
However, you missed the major caveat that made this instance special, thus the ratings. It was historic for the city of Orlando and its flagship university. It was an unbelievable run by a newcomer to the BCS that had many fans, even those who wouldn't normally watch UCF, enthralled and rooting for the underdog. To see it as more than that, especially as it pertains to UCF football specifically, is incredibly myopic.
Ucf has a history of good ratings especially at the G5 level. I believe the Louisville game hit over a 5 rating in Orlando. Ucf vs South Carolina had close to 2 million if I remember correctly. That Houston game from 2013 also had good numbers on espn2.
All games referenced occurred during that historic 1st (and only) season in a big boy conference.
To use that logic (past performance indicates future results), we should have expanded BHN Stadium to its max capacity after the record setting attendance numbers in its inaugural 2007.
Woody...three things for you to consider.
First, UCF does not have to have the popularity of Texas or Oklahoma (or Florida or Florida State) to be the top candidate for B12 expansion. We just have to be better and more attractive than the schools we are competing with such as Cincinnati, Memphis, Houston, USF, etc.
Second, do some research on how conference networks generate their revenue. Last summer I spent two full days looking up information and data on the B1G Network and the SEC Network. I also tried looking up info for the PAC 12 Network, but since they run their own network instead of partnering with ESPN or Fox they have kept the data private.
Conference networks receive their revenue primarily from subscriber fees paid by cable satellite companies for EVERY subscriber within an in-market state. Thus, because of Texas A&M the SEC Network is paid between $1.25 and $1.45 per month for EVERY cable/satellite subscriber in Texas, even those subscribers who are fans of Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Houston SMU, etc...and even for subscribers who are not fans of ANY college sport.
The B1G Network gets between $1.00 and $1.25 per month for every subscriber in that conferences in-market states.
So, in a conference network scenario UCF would bring income from ALL of the approximately 6.5 million Cable households in Florida. UCF's $45 million PER YEAR advantage over Memphis is even based on the assumption that the B12 network will only get 75 cents per subscriber per month. If the B12 network can get $1 per subscriber, UCF's advantage over Memphis gets even LARGER. There is NO WAY a publicly traded company like FED Ex can contribute enough money to another school that would make up for that advantage.
Third, you talk about UCF as if we don't have any fans and it will take forever to build up a following. We have as many or more fans than any other expansion candidate. Our average multi year attendance is higher than Cincinnati and Memphis and MUCH higher than Houston or USF. While TV ratings are hard to compare because of all the factors you have mentioned, there is a reason UCF has appeared on ESPN as many times as we have between 2011 and 2014. ESPN knows we draw good ratings. Compare ratings for UCF's best year ever in 2013 and Memphis' best year ever in 2015. UCF's are better. Finally, to say it will take a long time for the second largest school in the country to build a following is shortsighted. UCF's huge size is one thing that has allowed us to pull even with the Miami Hurricanes in terms of number of fans across the state of Florida. It is what has allowed UCF to become the #1 school in the Orlando area, despite the fact that Florida had a 100 year head start and is only 1.5 hours away.
People sometimes do stupid things (see former Big East and their rejection of $13 million annual payout per team offer from ESPN), so there is no guarantee that UCF will be chosen. But UCF is by far the #1 candidate when you look at the amount of $$$ vale we can bring to the conference.
^^^^^^^^THIS"The Fiesta Bowl garnered a 7.1 overnight rating
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EXCELLENT RESEARCH AND WRITE UP. This is a great analysis and report
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