SARS-CoV-2 - We won't know much until later this decade ...

[UCFBS]

I'm forking this, because this is really a thread that is going to last the 2020s. I started writing something here, in the 'Natural Immunity' thread, but ... this isn't even about 'Natural Immunity' any more.

What I find is we have largely 3 groups...


Group 1: Vocal Majority - Certainty and Mandates For All

Spoiler

These people have claimed everything is known since 2021 Spring, that the Pandemic is of the unvaccinated, the unvaccinated are to blame for everything, Pharma must be listened to, has no ulterior motives in only providing mRNA over traditional vaccines, that only new drugs will work, and that there are no issues with the advisement out of the CDC or FDA and any changes have due to changes in the science. They also believe mandates are the only way to end the pandemic. Everything else must be outlawed, and no doctors should be allowed to do anything... even if legal, and commonly tried in 20%+ cases of other infections and disease, which is actually how we find out a lot and long-term cures in combination.

Group 2: Vocal Minority - Let Individual Doctors Decide, Not All Vaccines or Medicines Are the Same

Spoiler

The people who have repeatedly pointed out we're utterly ignorant of Coronaviruses (CoV) in general, and while we weren't against the FDA and EMA approving mRNA and even re-vax'ing the elderly.... we've been concerned the younger we go because - as even the now published FDA and EMA documentation shows, the risk was worth it the older we go, but... with more of their lifespan left, the more risk to them, especially has the FDA expert panels have been ignored or bypassed, and definitely as the FDA's own, top experts have repeated there was no data showing any benefit for the general population to be re-vaxed, and even openly complained about the lack of clinical data on children. The FDA has also backed off its claim Ivermectin is not an anti-viral (it is), and expert panels are taking real issue with some of the 'repurposed, but still under patents' drugs that failed against the flu, and are known to be less-than-safe. And the science hasn't changed, the politics has... on everything from masks to how effective natural immunity always has been.

Group 3: Silent Majority that believed #1 more initially, but now realize #2 had a point that the science hasn't changed.. we've just censored the experts, until more recently.

Spoiler

More and more people realize this is not only turning more into something like Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos, but the same experts that were right about them, have been right about SARS-CoV-2 and Pharma from the get-go ...

Follow the money.

We are becoming a complete oligarchy with expanded statism, and the proof is in that we refuse to manufacture a traditional vaccine for our kids, and are mandating things most western countries will not, because our country refuses to follow the science on.

And that's what really is scaring more and more Americans...

People are actually defending oligarchy-statism over individual freedom, even when no data supports the populace benefit, and we've done everything to censor those who are arguing with that actual data! Even our own, top experts at the FDA!

That's everything wrong with this country right now!

The Growing, Vocal Minority Now the Majority of Experts

A lot of experts at various journals predicted this by late 2020 and early 2021, as well as the fact that SARS-CoV-2 was too global not to go endemic, especially with the quite limited vaccine vectors being used. Many warned, even the US NIH as early as mid-2020 when ten (10) vaccines were heading towards various FDA, EMA and other EUA approvals, that none of them would be a pancea, and weren't designed to stop the spread. So it's time we all really admit ...

We really won't understand the SARS-CoV-2 virus, its variants and the strategy to attack COVID-19, until later this decade.


Experimenting With Combinational Protocols Will Be Key

This is why, while I don't agree with a select few that Ivermectin is a pancea, and I'm not for overdosing with it ... I'm also not against the FLCCC and others on their 'protocols.' Why? Because no one really understands what is working, no different than during HIV/AIDS, and even back then, Ivermectin was proven to be an anti-viral. I don't think it's a particularlly strong anti-viral, and definitely not in FDA-approved doses.

But considering not only are retrovirals not working against any CoV, but it took a good decade to figure out not only retrovials, like AZT, to combat HIV/AIDS, but what 'protocols' and combinations to use to improve conditions ... we have to experiment with proven safe drugs and, more importantly, combinations. It's just reality. Re-purposing failed flu and other drugs are just about the patents, just like why we only have mRNA vectors, instead of proven, tradtional ones.


FLCCC as an Example of Real Progress Mislabeled 'Misinformation'

Which brings me back to things like the FLCCC and individual doctors. What the FLCCC is not saying is that Ivermectin is the cure. What the FLCCC is saying, in their protocols, is ... "These are all the proven safe medicines and supplements we know that are actually improving conditions. Over time we'll figure out what is better, and what was superfluous. Because right now, no one knows what really works for sure, but our protocol does so far."

Just like with AZT. It wasn't AZT alone. It sucked. But it was with other compounds in a specific protocol, that it did. And far better than the horde of patent-protected, attempted HIV vaccines or HIV-specific medicines introduced.


Like Theranos/Holmes, We Have To Call Out Conflicts-of-Interest, And Not Censor!

This is why we have countless 'Open Letters' signed by tens of thousands of doctors saying ... it needs to go back to individual doctors. I cannot stress how bad the CDC and, sadly, the FDA management (not experts, most who have fled or just been bypassed) have misled everyone, and this 'certainty' that the current mRNA vaccines vectors were a pancea, when, as predicted by many of our top experts, were never going to be.

We've had traditional, proven far safer vaccines for children, and we refuse to make them available. This is our future too. And it scares me.


The US FDA Is Finally Focusing on Max Safety, not Max Effectiveness

Heck, even now, the FDA moving to recommend 8 weeks between doses for 2-doze mRNA vaccines. Why? Even though it's not as effective than 3 weeks between, it's much safer. And that tells you right there ... the risk-reward isn't so 'absolute,' especially the younger we go.

We're finally more focused on 'safer' than allegedly 'more effective.'

 

[Boston.Knight]

This is why, while I don't agree with @Boston.Knight that Ivermectin is a pancea

Um, when have I ever said ivermectin was a panacea?

In fact, what I did say was not to rely on it, or any monotherapy for that matter, including vaccine.

Personally, I believe delta was born in part out of resistance to ivermectin. While its antiviral effect is diminished at lower serum levels
, it still has very powerful anti clotting and anti inflammatory properties.

 

[UCFBS]

Um, when have I ever said ivermectin was a panacea?

In fact, what I did say was not to rely on it, or any monotherapy for that matter, including vaccine.

Personally, I believe delta was born in part out of resistance to ivermectin. While its antiviral effect is diminished at lower serum levels
, it still has very powerful anti clotting and anti inflammatory properties.

Okay, we agree far more than not then, so I've now edited the OP.

 

[Crazyhole]

Um, when have I ever said ivermectin was a panacea?

In fact, what I did say was not to rely on it, or any monotherapy for that matter, including vaccine.

Personally, I believe delta was born in part out of resistance to ivermectin. While its antiviral effect is diminished at lower serum levels
, it still has very powerful anti clotting and anti inflammatory properties.

That does stand to reason. Where did delta come from and what commonly used drug was used on a widespread basis there? India and ivermectin.

 

[Ucfmikes]

I'm forking this, because this is really a thread that is going to last the 2020s. I started writing something here, in the 'Natural Immunity' thread, but ... this isn't even about 'Natural Immunity' any more.



The Growing, Vocal Minority Now the Majority of Experts

A lot of experts at various journals predicted this by late 2020 and early 2021, as well as the fact that SARS-CoV-2 was too global not to go endemic, especially with the quite limited vaccine vectors being used. Many warned, even the US NIH as early as mid-2020 when ten (10) vaccines were heading towards various FDA, EMA and other EUA approvals, that none of them would be a pancea, and weren't designed to stop the spread. So it's time we all really admit ...

We really won't understand the SARS-CoV-2 virus, its variants and the strategy to attack COVID-19, until later this decade.


Experimenting With Combinational Protocols Will Be Key

This is why, while I don't agree with a select few that Ivermectin is a pancea, and I'm not for overdosing with it ... I'm also not against the FLCCC and others on their 'protocols.' Why? Because no one really understands what is working, no different than during HIV/AIDS, and even back then, Ivermectin was proven to be an anti-viral. I don't think it's a particularlly strong anti-viral, and definitely not in FDA-approved doses.

But considering not only are retrovirals not working against any CoV, but it took a good decade to figure out not only retrovials, like AZT, to combat HIV/AIDS, but what 'protocols' and combinations to use to improve conditions ... we have to experiment with proven safe drugs and, more importantly, combinations. It's just reality. Re-purposing failed flu and other drugs are just about the patents, just like why we only have mRNA vectors, instead of proven, tradtional ones.


FLCCC as an Example of Real Progress Mislabeled 'Misinformation'

Which brings me back to things like the FLCCC and individual doctors. What the FLCCC is not saying is that Ivermectin is the cure. What the FLCCC is saying, in their protocols, is ... "These are all the proven safe medicines and supplements we know that are actually improving conditions. Over time we'll figure out what is better, and what was superfluous. Because right now, no one knows what really works for sure, but our protocol does so far."

Just like with AZT. It wasn't AZT alone. It sucked. But it was with other compounds in a specific protocol, that it did. And far better than the horde of patent-protected, attempted HIV vaccines or HIV-specific medicines introduced.


Like Theranos/Holmes, We Have To Call Out Conflicts-of-Interest, And Not Censor!

This is why we have countless 'Open Letters' signed by tens of thousands of doctors saying ... it needs to go back to individual doctors. I cannot stress how bad the CDC and, sadly, the FDA management (not experts, most who have fled or just been bypassed) have misled everyone, and this 'certainty' that the current mRNA vaccines vectors were a pancea, when, as predicted by many of our top experts, were never going to be.

We've had traditional, proven far safer vaccines for children, and we refuse to make them available. This is our future too. And it scares me.


The US FDA Is Finally Focusing on Max Safety, not Max Effectiveness

Heck, even now, the FDA moving to recommend 8 weeks between doses for 2-doze mRNA vaccines. Why? Even though it's not as effective than 3 weeks between, it's much safer. And that tells you right there ... the risk-reward isn't so 'absolute,' especially the younger we go.

We're finally more focused on 'safer' than allegedly 'more effective.'

Once again let me spell this out in a language that MAYBE A NARCISSIST CAN READ

YOU ARE AN ANTI-VAXER, ANTI-GOVERNMENT, ANTI-BIG PHARMA CONSPIRACY THEORIST WHO IS INDIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR MURDERING COUNTLESS INNOCENT PEOPLE DUE TO SPREADING MISINFORMATION HERE AND THROUGHOUT SOCIAL MEDIA. YOU LACK SELF-AWARENESS AND HAVE BEEN PROVEN TO BE WRONG TIME AND TIME AGAIN REGARDING COVID
AND VACCINES. YOUR INCREDIBLE LACK OF SELF-AWARENESS AND EXTREME NARCISSIM DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO SEE THAT

ADDITIONALLY, THE ABOVE TRAITS HAVE MADE POSSIBLY A ONCE PROMISING CAREER INTO A COMPLETE FAILURE. YOU’RE INSECURE ABOUT THAT, BUT WE ARE NOT FOOLED BY YOU

YOU’RE AN UNHEALTHY 400lb MAN WITH A FAILED CAREER WHO
LIVES IN A SHACK IN RURAL ALABAMA. YOU ARE NOW AT BEST A PART-TIME I.T. SPECIALIST WHO PERFORMS ODD JOBS
WHEN YOU CAN GET ONE AND KEEP IT UNTIL THEY CAN’T STAND YOU.

READ THIS 10 TIMES!

 

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[Ucfmikes]

I'm forking this, because this is really a thread that is going to last the 2020s. I started writing something here, in the 'Natural Immunity' thread, but ... this isn't even about 'Natural Immunity' any more.



The Growing, Vocal Minority Now the Majority of Experts

A lot of experts at various journals predicted this by late 2020 and early 2021, as well as the fact that SARS-CoV-2 was too global not to go endemic, especially with the quite limited vaccine vectors being used. Many warned, even the US NIH as early as mid-2020 when ten (10) vaccines were heading towards various FDA, EMA and other EUA approvals, that none of them would be a pancea, and weren't designed to stop the spread. So it's time we all really admit ...

We really won't understand the SARS-CoV-2 virus, its variants and the strategy to attack COVID-19, until later this decade.


Experimenting With Combinational Protocols Will Be Key

This is why, while I don't agree with a select few that Ivermectin is a pancea, and I'm not for overdosing with it ... I'm also not against the FLCCC and others on their 'protocols.' Why? Because no one really understands what is working, no different than during HIV/AIDS, and even back then, Ivermectin was proven to be an anti-viral. I don't think it's a particularlly strong anti-viral, and definitely not in FDA-approved doses.

But considering not only are retrovirals not working against any CoV, but it took a good decade to figure out not only retrovials, like AZT, to combat HIV/AIDS, but what 'protocols' and combinations to use to improve conditions ... we have to experiment with proven safe drugs and, more importantly, combinations. It's just reality. Re-purposing failed flu and other drugs are just about the patents, just like why we only have mRNA vectors, instead of proven, tradtional ones.


FLCCC as an Example of Real Progress Mislabeled 'Misinformation'

Which brings me back to things like the FLCCC and individual doctors. What the FLCCC is not saying is that Ivermectin is the cure. What the FLCCC is saying, in their protocols, is ... "These are all the proven safe medicines and supplements we know that are actually improving conditions. Over time we'll figure out what is better, and what was superfluous. Because right now, no one knows what really works for sure, but our protocol does so far."

Just like with AZT. It wasn't AZT alone. It sucked. But it was with other compounds in a specific protocol, that it did. And far better than the horde of patent-protected, attempted HIV vaccines or HIV-specific medicines introduced.


Like Theranos/Holmes, We Have To Call Out Conflicts-of-Interest, And Not Censor!

This is why we have countless 'Open Letters' signed by tens of thousands of doctors saying ... it needs to go back to individual doctors. I cannot stress how bad the CDC and, sadly, the FDA management (not experts, most who have fled or just been bypassed) have misled everyone, and this 'certainty' that the current mRNA vaccines vectors were a pancea, when, as predicted by many of our top experts, were never going to be.

We've had traditional, proven far safer vaccines for children, and we refuse to make them available. This is our future too. And it scares me.


The US FDA Is Finally Focusing on Max Safety, not Max Effectiveness

Heck, even now, the FDA moving to recommend 8 weeks between doses for 2-doze mRNA vaccines. Why? Even though it's not as effective than 3 weeks between, it's much safer. And that tells you right there ... the risk-reward isn't so 'absolute,' especially the younger we go.

We're finally more focused on 'safer' than allegedly 'more effective.'

 

[UCFBS]

Best one yet! Damn ... LOL!

 

[UCFBS]

3 months and this bullshit continues ... equally childish UCFMandates and KnightCrime2NoVax would be proud. UCFMandates used to bitch about me allegedly 'cherry picking' from journals like the BMJ almost a year ago, stuff his alleged Doctors/Nurses laughed at, stuff that he said only an idiot could believe, that ended up being true.