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Not sure why but Chip Brown story has been lost. I have it on my phone from earlier....here is what he wrote:

SOURCES: BIG 12 MOVING TOWARD EXPANSION

Chip Brown

Sources close to the situation tell HornDigest the Big 12 is moving from evaluating toward expansion.

"There's definitely movement," one source close to the situation told HornsDigest. "And the movement is all in the direction of expansion."
As I've reported, Cincinnati, Houston, and BYU have been the most talked-about expansion candidates - almost from the moment the Big 12 Board of Directors voted to "actively evaluate" two to four expansion candidates on July 19.

And it appears Memphis may be emerging as the fourth, sources said - if eight votes on the 10-member Big 12 board of presidents and chancellors are indeed there to grow by four. And that is a big if.

FedEx has said it would sponsor the Big 12's new football title game (beginning inn 2017), if Memphis is added to the Big 12.

One source put the odds of the B12 adding four at "60-40" over the possibility of adding two.

I'm told Texas officials are reluctant to consider adding more than two members.

I was also told Texas was unlikely to agree to an extension of the league's Tier 1 & 2 TV rights and grant of rights (which grant a school's TV rights back to the conference) beyond their current 2025 expiration.

Those in the conference hungry for more TV revenue want four more schools - preferably four full members, sources said. Adding four, full-member schools would trigger a contractual obligation in the league's TV contracts requiring ESPN and Fox to pay per year for each of the next eight years, sources told HD.

If the majority of the Big 12 presidents and chancellors want four - and there's no extension of TV rights/GOR - then Texas officials might be willing to go along, sources told HD. If an extension of TV rights/GOR are mandated by TV partners for adding two or four, everything could fall apart, sources said.

If no rights extensions are required and Texas helps UH get into the Big 12, Houston lawmakers are expected to green light the purchase of 300 acres in Houston by Texas chancellor William McRaven for an expansion of UT's presence in the nation's fourth largest city.

And the league's No. 1 reason for expansion - the additional $640 million to $800 million in TV revenue the next eight years - would help keep the Big 12's gap in TV revenue behind the Big Ten and SEC from widening, sources say.

After the next eight years of cashing in by the Big 12, who knows if the league would still exist? If expansion had proved to be a bust when Tier 1 & 2 TV deals are up for renegotiation in 2024, Texas, Oklahoma and others in the Big 12 with Power 5 conference options could very well bolt.

BYU is independent and has a TV deal with ESPN, making the Cougs somewhat nimble in a move to the B12. The question has been - as a full-time member? Or football only - because of BYU's No-Sunday Rule? (BYU has never competed on a Sunday, because of the school's strict Mormon faith calls for a focus on worship on Sundays.)

I'm told it's the B12 board's first preference to admit full-time members, but that the board might settle for one or two football-only members among four.

Houston, Cincinnati, and Memphis are part of the American Athletic Conference, which requires 27 months notice and a $10 million exit fee. An earlier departure would require a larger exit fee, per AAC officials.

Things may be starting to come into focus on the Big 12's next step - which, barring an attempt to extend TV rights and grant of rights agreements - appears to be growth.

More soon.
 
Do they really need more than one cougars? The Houston one is the thing that's odd to me. Why do they need another Texas school...
 
If Texas has it's way and only wants two schools then I think it comes down to Houston and then a battle between BYU and UC.

BYU could joint immediately in that they are not tied down by a conference, however they bring the Mormon baggage. UC has not restrictions of playing on Sunday and would be a great travel partner for WVU.
 
If Texas has it's way and only wants two schools then I think it comes down to Houston and then a battle between BYU and UC.

BYU could joint immediately in that they are not tied down by a conference, however they bring the Mormon baggage. UC has not restrictions of playing on Sunday and would be a great travel partner for WVU.

If we get excluded then hopefully they only add two, one being byu, so that our league will still be good. Good luck to you guys either way.
 
If we get excluded then hopefully they only add two, one being byu, so that our league will still be good. Good luck to you guys either way.

Chip Brown is the moderator of the Texas site. He was the guy who broke just about all of the expansion/realignment stories back a few years ago when Nebraska, Colorado, and A&M all left the Big 12. They guy is dialed in on Texas information and the Big 12.
 
If they took Memphis it would be obvious they sold out for the FedEx $$. City of Memphis or Orlando hmmmmm...
 
Could this be the reason Danny said last week that we plan to be happy whichever conference we are in and not sound eager to move? Also, BYU has zero chance and is just being strung along -- too much prior bad blood by UT plus threat to Texas' dominance of the conference. Texas' hole card is if they bolt, the Big 12 collapses.
 
This post right here shows your ignorance. You aren't even worth explaining why you are so ignorant

No! You are the ignorant one PussyPride! You have no life, so you have to go troll other school's boards to find companionship. I know it's tough with only one other person on the PussyLair board.
Now your mother is calling again. You better crawl out of her basement and go find out what she wants.
 
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Not sure why but Chip Brown story has been lost. I have it on my phone from earlier....here is what he wrote:

SOURCES: BIG 12 MOVING TOWARD EXPANSION

Chip Brown

Sources close to the situation tell HornDigest the Big 12 is moving from evaluating toward expansion.

"There's definitely movement," one source close to the situation told HornsDigest. "And the movement is all in the direction of expansion."
As I've reported, Cincinnati, Houston, and BYU have been the most talked-about expansion candidates - almost from the moment the Big 12 Board of Directors voted to "actively evaluate" two to four expansion candidates on July 19.

And it appears Memphis may be emerging as the fourth, sources said - if eight votes on the 10-member Big 12 board of presidents and chancellors are indeed there to grow by four. And that is a big if.

FedEx has said it would sponsor the Big 12's new football title game (beginning inn 2017), if Memphis is added to the Big 12.

One source put the odds of the B12 adding four at "60-40" over the possibility of adding two.

I'm told Texas officials are reluctant to consider adding more than two members.

I was also told Texas was unlikely to agree to an extension of the league's Tier 1 & 2 TV rights and grant of rights (which grant a school's TV rights back to the conference) beyond their current 2025 expiration.

Those in the conference hungry for more TV revenue want four more schools - preferably four full members, sources said. Adding four, full-member schools would trigger a contractual obligation in the league's TV contracts requiring ESPN and Fox to pay per year for each of the next eight years, sources told HD.

If the majority of the Big 12 presidents and chancellors want four - and there's no extension of TV rights/GOR - then Texas officials might be willing to go along, sources told HD. If an extension of TV rights/GOR are mandated by TV partners for adding two or four, everything could fall apart, sources said.

If no rights extensions are required and Texas helps UH get into the Big 12, Houston lawmakers are expected to green light the purchase of 300 acres in Houston by Texas chancellor William McRaven for an expansion of UT's presence in the nation's fourth largest city.

And the league's No. 1 reason for expansion - the additional $640 million to $800 million in TV revenue the next eight years - would help keep the Big 12's gap in TV revenue behind the Big Ten and SEC from widening, sources say.

After the next eight years of cashing in by the Big 12, who knows if the league would still exist? If expansion had proved to be a bust when Tier 1 & 2 TV deals are up for renegotiation in 2024, Texas, Oklahoma and others in the Big 12 with Power 5 conference options could very well bolt.

BYU is independent and has a TV deal with ESPN, making the Cougs somewhat nimble in a move to the B12. The question has been - as a full-time member? Or football only - because of BYU's No-Sunday Rule? (BYU has never competed on a Sunday, because of the school's strict Mormon faith calls for a focus on worship on Sundays.)

I'm told it's the B12 board's first preference to admit full-time members, but that the board might settle for one or two football-only members among four.

Houston, Cincinnati, and Memphis are part of the American Athletic Conference, which requires 27 months notice and a $10 million exit fee. An earlier departure would require a larger exit fee, per AAC officials.

Things may be starting to come into focus on the Big 12's next step - which, barring an attempt to extend TV rights and grant of rights agreements - appears to be growth.

More soon.
This is so lame. No ones knows what the Big 12 will do. If Cincinnati, Houston and BYU were such shoes in they would already have unofficial invites. People love to over play the value of BYU's national following. I'm not saying BYU doesn't have value but their brand hasn't been strong enough till now to get them in a P5 league.

Here's the issue with all three. They aren't the first choice of the networks. I think the networks would prefer UCF, USF and maybe Uconn. Cinci makes sense but they have no prospects for city growth nor program growth.

The big 12 can't just add who they want without the approval of networks. The networks are looking at long term growth. The size of Orlando and Tampa in 10 to 20 years is enormous. Both are big markets and growing fast.

The networks will screw the big 12 in the next tv deal if they try to use politics just to get in teams that they want vs teams that expand the footprint and tv markets that have tons of growth.

TV execs aren't going to let small thinking presidents in the big 12 screw this up. I can see no expansion happening if they don't get a team from the FL market in this deal.
 
If Texas has it's way and only wants two schools then I think it comes down to Houston and then a battle between BYU and UC.

BYU could joint immediately in that they are not tied down by a conference, however they bring the Mormon baggage. UC has not restrictions of playing on Sunday and would be a great travel partner for WVU.
300 miles and a 5 hour bus trip is not a travel partner.
 
300 miles and a 5 hour bus trip is not a travel partner.
Exactly. UCF/USF are travel partners. Rice and Houston are travel partners.

If it's faster to go through security and board a plane, than to take a bus ride, it's not a travel partner.

The only (previously available) travel partner for WVU was Pitt, because it's the closest major airport to Morgantown.
 
Let me just put a few stats out here concerning attendance...

On a per-game average over the last five years and the last nine years, UCF curb stomps Houston, Cincinnati, and Memphis.

On a per game basis over the last three years, UCF still curb stomps Houston. Cincinnati gets a little closer, but not much. Memphis gets closest (primarily due to one huge home gave vs Ole Miss in 2015 that skews the stats significantly, not to mention 2015 being UCF's worst year since we moved into our new stadium). Yet UCF still has about a 1,300 per game advantage over Memphis even under this scenario.

UCF’s worst year 30,065 is only 3,786 less than Houston’s BEST year at 33,851. They both happened to be the same year (2015).

Only three of Houston’s years (2010, 2011, 2015) were better than UCF’s WORST year.

Seven of the last nine years, Memphis has been below 30,000.

Memphis has only had two years (2014 & 2015) better than UCF’s WORST year.
 
Let's compare UCF vs Houston in TV viewership during the best season for each team since 2007...


Houston (2015)
vs SMU 356,000
vs Tulane 185,000
vs UCF 171,000
vs Vandy 392,000
vs Cincinnati 396,000
vs Memphis 748,000
vs UCONN 373,000
vs Navy 3.055 million
vs Florida State (Peach Bowl) 5.6 million

UCF (2013)
vs Houston 431,000
vs Rutgers 972,000
vs USF 1.3 million
vs SMU 1.44 million
vs Louisville 2.22 million
vs South Carolina 3.2 million
vs Baylor 11.3 million

Pretty obvious which team draws more viewers. I think that would be somewhat important to the TV networks. Did not have time to look up Cincinnati and Memphis, but I don't think Memphis best season comes anywhere close to UCF, and probably not Cincinnati either unless it was when they were in the Big East with the advantage of playing teams such as WVU, Pitt, Syracuse, Loisville, etc.​
 
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Let's compare UCF vs Houston in TV viewership during the best season for each team since 2007...

Nice breakdown. I just hope it matters. Most of us know the objective data supports UCF. We just have to overcome the "Did my grandpappy know that this University existed?" perception gap.
 
UT is so dumb. It isn't bad enough that A&M, Baylor and TCU are already kicking your butt, now you want to add another Texas team that has the potential to if you let them in.

Keep them out and Hermann is gone in 1-2 years. Houston was 8-5, 8-5 and 5-7 in the the 3 years before he got there. If they stay in the AAC, they'll be right back to those records when he leaves.
 
Chip Brown is the moderator of the Texas site. He was the guy who broke just about all of the expansion/realignment stories back a few years ago when Nebraska, Colorado, and A&M all left the Big 12. They guy is dialed in on Texas information and the Big 12.
Except now he lost his inside info with the Admin and Coaching changes at UT. He has very little street cred now
 
Except now he lost his inside info with the Admin and Coaching changes at UT. He has very little street cred now

IDK. If Bearcat_Douchebag says this guy Chip Brown is "dialed in", then it must be true right? Just like the internet. You can't put anything on the internet if it isn't true. The same goes for Bearcat_Douchebag. If he says it, it must be true right?
 
UT is so dumb. It isn't bad enough that A&M, Baylor and TCU are already kicking your butt, now you want to add another Texas team that has the potential to if you let them in.

Keep them out and Hermann is gone in 1-2 years. Houston was 8-5, 8-5 and 5-7 in the the 3 years before he got there. If they stay in the AAC, they'll be right back to those records when he leaves.
Don't confuse UT with the state of Texas. UT does not want Houston in, you can bet on that.
 
Don't confuse UT with the state of Texas. UT does not want Houston in, you can bet on that.

Texas is playing Texas politics. No question they show public support, knowing private Texas schools (Baylor, TCU) can vote it down, along with non-Texas schools. They still look supportive knowing no one else wants a 5th Texas school in the conference, but slighted Texas politicians can't retaliate against UT because UT supported the Cougs, but "lost the vote". UT however might be expected to kill other options unless UH gets in before they get away clean. We'll see what UT does.
 
If Cincinnati and Memphis fans can't even get a blog/board of their own team to talk about football on, why should the Big 12 even consider them??

What kind of fan support is that???

1). Can't fill the stands

2). Can't even get a message board

Does that sound like a fanbase that's passionate about their team??
 
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Would love to compare 2016 home attendance.

Memphis coming off their best season vs UCF off our worst. Throw Cincinatti and USF in there too.
 
Texas is playing Texas politics. No question they show public support, knowing private Texas schools (Baylor, TCU) can vote it down, along with non-Texas schools. They still look supportive knowing no one else wants a 5th Texas school in the conference, but slighted Texas politicians can't retaliate against UT because UT supported the Cougs, but "lost the vote". UT however might be expected to kill other options unless UH gets in before they get away clean. We'll see what UT does.


Wouldn't the other schools be afraid of Texas politicians retaliating against them so vote for Houston too? I'd guess there are even some ways they could annoy the private schools, tho not as directly as the public ones.
 
Football in Texas is everything! Even politicians don't usually dare interfere if passions run strong. Also, Texas is a weak governor system, so the power is in the legislature that only meets every other year. This gov badly wants to be prez (like most of his predecessor aspired to), and UH is not gonna help him do that.
 
1) Chip is a shill for UT. They tell him what UT wants to be public...nothing more.
2) Memphis would be an awful add.
3) Cinci is not close, but they are a heck of a lot closer than everyone else.
4) UT wants the leverage of not extending the GOR. Otherwise other schools can tell them to piss off now knowing no one in the conversation will even be alive when the extended GOR is up in 2036. They get things done by threatening to leave. A 2036 exit date removes that threat for at least a decade or so.
5) UCF is still the best addition candidate. Houston will be only as good as their next coach after Herman leaves. BYU spreads the B12 out too much.
 
UT is so dumb. It isn't bad enough that A&M, Baylor and TCU are already kicking your butt, now you want to add another Texas team that has the potential to if you let them in.

Keep them out and Hermann is gone in 1-2 years. Houston was 8-5, 8-5 and 5-7 in the the 3 years before he got there. If they stay in the AAC, they'll be right back to those records when he leaves.
Truth be told they will be back to those records after Greg Ward graduates. Greg's speed and elusiveness is a rare find at the quarterback position.

This league is just too competitive with the parity. Houston might win the west but I think they'll have a couple of conference losses so I don't see them getting back to a New Year's Day bowl. They lost some really good pieces off of last year's team.
 
This post right here shows your ignorance. You aren't even worth explaining why you are so ignorant

Did fedex even care about Memphis football before last season??? I don't recall seeing fedex loves Memphis football plastered all over the city when I was there a few years back?
 
Did fedex even care about Memphis football before last season??? I don't recall seeing fedex loves Memphis football plastered all over the city when I was there a few years back?
Keep being sour. Find your own corporate backer and maybe you wouldn't be throwing shade
 
Keep being sour. Find your own corporate backer and maybe you wouldn't be throwing shade

Hey turd! We know you have no life, and no board of your own. So you have to keep coming here to get some company. What a pitiful life you must lead if this is all you have is to keep coming to a rival's board. Boo Hoo Hoo. I hear the other guy on Pussy's Lair calling. You need to go back and keep him company.
 
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