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Starbucks has the right to ask anyone to leave the premises and also to ask for a trespass citation for anyone. The police have to honor that request. At that point, the 2 decided to resist a lawful order and that’s why they were arrested. But, of course they don’t know the laws and so they smear the cops for arresting them for “doing nothing.” The rage would be better placed at Starbucks, but really a busines’s seats are for patrons and they should be able to ask anyone not patronizing the establishment to leave.
 
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They were probably there to laugh at all the dumb white people who were paying too much for a cup of coffee. Kinda like hanging out in an airport making fun of other people.
 
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2018- where local misunderstandings must now be daily national faux outrage stories
 
UCFKNIGHTS88 said:
You mean getting arrested cause you’re black in a Starbucks?
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Oh I’m sorry, can you show me the article with the admission that this was the definitive reason? I must have missed that but you seem to have it.
 
UCFKNIGHTS88 said:
You mean getting arrested cause you’re black in a Starbucks?
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They didn’t get arrested because they were black. They got arrested when they broke the law when given a lawful order to leave and they didn’t. Had they followed the lawful order, they wouldn’t have been arrested. Black has nothing to do with it.
 
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UCFKnight85 said:
Oh I’m sorry, can you show me the article with the admission that this was the definitive reason? I must have missed that but you seem to have it.
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People loiter in Starbucks all the time. Interesting that the black people were asked to leave.

Starbucks has already come out and said that what happened was wrong.
 
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UCFKNIGHTS88 said:
People loiter in Starbucks all the time. Interesting that the black people were asked to leave.

Starbucks has already come out and said that what happened was wrong.
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So they may have been asked to leave because they were black but it is wrong to spin this as being arrested because they were black.
 
UCFKNIGHTS88 said:
Wow. Quoting this for the record.
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Please do because you’re obviously either incapable of discerning context or intellectually dishonest enough to push an agenda regardless of realities. I’ve already told you what the police in most jurisdictions must do when a business owner decides to trespass someone from their property. It was Starbucks, not the police, that started this, for whatever reason which could certainly have been because they were black. But it was their own actions that led to their arrest. They could’ve just left and then no one would be smearing the police about black people being arrested for being black.
 
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sk8knight said:
Please do because you’re obviously either incapable of discerning context or intellectually dishonest enough to push an agenda regardless of realities. I’ve already told you what the police in most jurisdictions must do when a business owner decides to trespass someone from their property. It was Starbucks, not the police, that started this, for whatever reason which could certainly have been because they were black. But it was their own actions that led to their arrest. They could’ve just left and then no one would be smearing the police about black people being arrested for being black.
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Is being black a choice? I’m sure you would say the same things about the black guys sitting in the white section of the restaurant. They weren’t obeying a lawful order.

At least 85 tries to hide his bigotry.
 
UCFKNIGHTS88 said:
Is being black a choice? I’m sure you would say the same things about the black guys sitting in the white section of the restaurant. They weren’t obeying a lawful order.

At least 85 tries to hide his bigotry.
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I haven’t once commented on whether I believe Starbucks was right or wrong for calling the cops on two men who were sitting in their restaurant yet you are erecting a straw man of me as a bigot or racist and then arguing against that. Why is that?

I have addressed the men’s actions and that of the officers. You’re the one making assumptions and calling people bigoted. You’re the one so caught up by your own emotions that you can’t see the facts for what they are. You’re stretching calling my posts bigoted because you cannot even read them clearly for your own biases.

My opinion? I don’t know if that Starbucks has been having problems with non-customers taking up space or not. If so and they’ve been removing people regardless of race or gender with a posted policy that informs people that the facility is for paying customers only, then this is a non-story although maybe bad business and against corporate policy.

My guess, like yours, is that the Starbucks employee that called the cops only did so because they were black. That is wrong and we should be calling out the Starbucks employee(s). Personally, I don’t give a damn what race or gender the 2 individuals were just what they did or didn’t do i this situation.

Once the cops showed up they were doing their job. They should’ve explained that Starbucks was causing the removal and the officers had no choice. Maybe they even did that before the video started. We don’t know. But they have a legal duty to remove patrons from a business if the business requests a trespass. They can’t just not do it.

I am going to take issue with you targeting the police for doing their job and giving the pass to the two men who chose not to follow the police’s lawful orders. This isn’t 1960 and there is no evidence of Starbucks institutionally and regularly depriving any race or gender of their services nor are there laws in Philadelphia segregating people by races. This, for all appearances, is one or two damn idiots who should be fired and should apologize for their actions. They put the men, the police, and the company in bad positions.

Incidentally, what did they end up getting charged with again?
 
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First and foremost, Starbucks owes the police an apology and quickly. The police did exactly as they were paid to do. Nowhere in Starbucks statement did I see an apology, or thanking the police for doing exactly what starbucks called them to do. Secondly, it doesn't matter if they were waiting for 50 people to show up, if they were asked to leave, they should leave. Starbucks isn't a public hangout for everyone to soak up climate control, and listen to free music. It's a place of business, with the right to refuse service. This whole thing is really a non issue, Starbucks did what they lawfully are allowed to do, and the police handled it in a professional manner.

Secondly, two black males "hanging" out Starbucks in Philly for how long ? was asked to leave several times? the police thought something was not right . You people that have been not been to the hood. You Have not dealt with hoodrats even law abiding black people know a little sumtin sumtin going on.
 
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UCFKNIGHTS88 said:
Is being black a choice? I’m sure you would say the same things about the black guys sitting in the white section of the restaurant. They weren’t obeying a lawful order.

At least 85 tries to hide his bigotry.
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I haven’t once commented on whether I believe Starbucks was right or wrong for calling the cops on two men who were sitting in their restaurant yet you are erecting a straw man of me as a bigot or racist and then arguing against that. Why is that?

I have addressed the men’s actions and that of the officers. You’re the one making assumptions and calling people bigoted. You’re the one so caught up by your own emotions that you can’t see the facts for what they are. You’re stretching calling my posts bigoted because you cannot even read them clearly for your own biases.

My opinion? I don’t know if that Starbucks has been having problems with non-customers taking up space or not. If so and they’ve been removing people regardless of race or gender with a posted policy that informs people that the facility is for paying customers only, then this is a non-story although maybe bad business and against corporate policy.

My guess, like yours, is that the Starbucks employee that called the cops only did so because they were black. That is wrong and we should be calling out the Starbucks employee(s). Personally, I don’t give a damn what race or gender the 2 individuals were just what they did or didn’t do i this situation.

Once the cops showed up they were doing their job. They should’ve explained that Starbucks was causing the removal and the officers had no choice. Maybe they even did that before the video started. We don’t know. But they have a legal duty to remove patrons from a business if the business requests a trespass. They can’t just not do it.

I am going to take issue with you targeting the police for doing their job and giving the pass to the two men who chose not to follow the police’s lawful orders. This isn’t 1960 and there is no evidence of Starbucks institutionally and regularly depriving any race or gender of their services nor are there laws in Philadelphia segregating people by races. This, for all appearances, is one or two damn idiots who should be fired and should apologize for their actions. They put the men, the police, and the company in bad positions.

Incidentally, what did they end up getting charged with again?
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Even Philly's African American Police Chief said that his officers were just following protocol and did nothing wrong.

Meanwhile, protesters took over that Philly Starbucks yesterday, shutting down their business for sometime before taking their protest outside, pushing away even more business.

Starbucks announced that the store manager who called the cops is no longer working at that location.
 
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sk8knight said:
I haven’t once commented on whether I believe Starbucks was right or wrong for calling the cops on two men who were sitting in their restaurant yet you are erecting a straw man of me as a bigot or racist and then arguing against that. Why is that?

I have addressed the men’s actions and that of the officers. You’re the one making assumptions and calling people bigoted. You’re the one so caught up by your own emotions that you can’t see the facts for what they are. You’re stretching calling my posts bigoted because you cannot even read them clearly for your own biases.

My opinion? I don’t know if that Starbucks has been having problems with non-customers taking up space or not. If so and they’ve been removing people regardless of race or gender with a posted policy that informs people that the facility is for paying customers only, then this is a non-story although maybe bad business and against corporate policy.

My guess, like yours, is that the Starbucks employee that called the cops only did so because they were black. That is wrong and we should be calling out the Starbucks employee(s). Personally, I don’t give a damn what race or gender the 2 individuals were just what they did or didn’t do i this situation.

Once the cops showed up they were doing their job. They should’ve explained that Starbucks was causing the removal and the officers had no choice. Maybe they even did that before the video started. We don’t know. But they have a legal duty to remove patrons from a business if the business requests a trespass. They can’t just not do it.

I am going to take issue with you targeting the police for doing their job and giving the pass to the two men who chose not to follow the police’s lawful orders. This isn’t 1960 and there is no evidence of Starbucks institutionally and regularly depriving any race or gender of their services nor are there laws in Philadelphia segregating people by races. This, for all appearances, is one or two damn idiots who should be fired and should apologize for their actions. They put the men, the police, and the company in bad positions.

Incidentally, what did they end up getting charged with again?
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you are clearly a bigot/racists.*
 
It's really this simple ...

No one can afford to even look like a racist today, at all. That means allowing African-Americans to remain on-premise, even if it looks like they are loitering after hours. In fact ...

One way to make the point, politically correct -- in front of others -- is to evict a white couple for staying more than 45 minutes, even if they ordered something. At least that would just get the tag of, 'they aren't very friendly,' instead of 'racist.'

Kinda sad what the world has become, but this is what it is. Lawyers have made it this way.
 
btbones said:
Loitering at Starbucks or Panera is a joke in most locations. I know work from home guys that spend hours in there sipping one drink and doing their work on the wifi while traveling etc
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The high traffic ones put up policies saying WiFi is limited to 30 minutes and they reserve the right to ask you to vacate a table if you're just using WiFi while others wait for a table.

I've seen people asked to leave before when they were sitting there just to suck up WiFi.

They left when asked, so the cops weren't required. Interesting how that works.
 
UCFKnight85 said:
The high traffic ones put up policies saying WiFi is limited to 30 minutes and they reserve the right to ask you to vacate a table if you're just using WiFi while others wait for a table.

I've seen people asked to leave before when they were sitting there just to suck up WiFi.

They left when asked, so the cops weren't required. Interesting how that works.
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I didn’t know they had put signs up . It definitely changes things for sure . Always wondered why they allowed people to do that
 
btbones said:
I didn’t know they had put signs up . It definitely changes things for sure . Always wondered why they allowed people to do that
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If they aren't busy, I patronize every 60 minutes. If they are busy, I vacate within 30 minutes.

In one case where they even said I was 'entitled to free refills,' I paid for another soda, in addition to another dessert, because I was already there 90 minutes. When traveling, and work calls, sometimes it's unavoidable. I look for an establishment with few people. And that's even when I'm tethered (not using their WiFi).

Golden rule goes a long way. If people want to make it about race, in either direction, it will happen, regardless. A lot of people got triggered over Zimmerman, when he was just an a-hole in general (and a minority himself). Race is about what people want to make it.
 
btbones said:
Loitering at Starbucks or Panera is a joke in most locations. I know work from home guys that spend hours in there sipping one drink and doing their work on the wifi while traveling etc
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Not sure if they still do, but the UCF Panera on University used to shut off the wifi during the lunch hours (11-1 or something like that) because people would basically camp out. Back before everybody had smartphones (pre-2010), when wifi was critical for basic tasks like keeping up with e-mail, you'd often see a single person taking up a booth for hours on end and they probably didn't order anything other than a drink.
 
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Appears they were released without any charges and the manager has been either fired or reassigned. The customers there stated they were doing nothing wrong and clearly none felt they were taking up space or causing an issue. Starbucks and the like are defacto public meeting spaces common for people to hang out and work for longer periods of time.

The manager was being dumb and clearly the larger company sees that too given they've apologized at minimum thus far. As for the police, they should have refused the call unless they customers were actually being disruptive. Police sometimes don't even respond to car accidents. They should have said call back if they're actually doing anything suspicious. Now two people got sent to jail over a dumbass manager. At least they didn't get hurt or something for sitting around.
 
cnewton157 said:
Appears they were released without any charges and the manager has been either fired or reassigned. The customers there stated they were doing nothing wrong and clearly none felt they were taking up space or causing an issue. Starbucks and the like are defacto public meeting spaces common for people to hang out and work for longer periods of time.

The manager was being dumb and clearly the larger company sees that too given they've apologized at minimum thus far. As for the police, they should have refused the call unless they customers were actually being disruptive. Police sometimes don't even respond to car accidents. They should have said call back if they're actually doing anything suspicious. Now two people got sent to jail over a dumbass manager. At least they didn't get hurt or something for sitting around.
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Car accidents without injury in many places are civil matters and all officers do in many cases is create accident information forms that may or may not help with insurance. It can be very frustrating in Orange County because OCSO does not handle crashes so you have to wait for FHP. FHP can get as low as 4 troopers for all of Orange County during the day so you end up waiting hours. It’s probably better for your life if you think the other person has insurance to exchange information and go about your business.

As for these two men going to “jail,” it’s likely they went to the station and then we’re released and never saw a jail.
 
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cnewton157 said:
Appears they were released without any charges and the manager has been either fired or reassigned. The customers there stated they were doing nothing wrong and clearly none felt they were taking up space or causing an issue. Starbucks and the like are defacto public meeting spaces common for people to hang out and work for longer periods of time.

The manager was being dumb and clearly the larger company sees that too given they've apologized at minimum thus far. As for the police, they should have refused the call unless they customers were actually being disruptive. Police sometimes don't even respond to car accidents. They should have said call back if they're actually doing anything suspicious. Now two people got sent to jail over a dumbass manager. At least they didn't get hurt or something for sitting around.
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So you’re a person who wants to disarm citizens because we have police, yet think they should refuse calls if they choose. For Woke reasons.

Insane
 
sk8knight said:
Car accidents without injury in many places are civil matters and all officers do in many cases is create accident information forms that may or may not help with insurance. It can be very frustrating in Orange County because OCSO does not handle crashes so you have to wait for FHP. FHP can get as low as 4 troopers for all of Orange County during the day so you end up waiting hours. It’s probably better for your life if you think the other person has insurance to exchange information and go about your business.

As for these two men going to “jail,” it’s likely they went to the station and then we’re released and never saw a jail.
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That's the thing. A car accident may appear to be minor or without injury, but sometimes it can take a few days for pain to set in. Or eyeballing damage may not be enough to determine that was the extent of it on a car. My wife was in a "minor" accident recently where she called the police and they told her they're not coming out. Turns out the car was totaled and she's been seeing doctors ever since over it.

Whereas a couple people sitting in a place where people typically sit for long periods of time where zero customers had any issue with it warrants a police visit and detainment. Just dumb. Hence why the manager was either fired or reassigned at minimum so far.

Edit: What is 85 talking about? Nothing but false statements in his post. I am pointing out that it's dumb for the police to refuse to come out for something as serious as a car accident, but would willingly come out over someone sitting down at a place where people are known for sitting down for long periods. At a de facto public meeting spot.

Also not sure where he's drawing any conclusions about people being disarmed. Just derailing the thread for zero reason.
 
cnewton157 said:
That's the thing. A car accident may appear to be minor or without injury, but sometimes it can take a few days for pain to set in. Or eyeballing damage may not be enough to determine that was the extent of it on a car. My wife was in a "minor" accident recently where she called the police and they told her they're not coming out. Turns out the car was totaled and she's been seeing doctors ever since over it.

Whereas a couple people sitting in a place where people typically sit for long periods of time where zero customers had any issue with it warrants a police visit and detainment. Just dumb. Hence why the manager was either fired or reassigned at minimum so far.

Edit: What is 85 talking about? Nothing but false statements in his post. I am pointing out that it's dumb for the police to refuse to come out for something as serious as a car accident, but would willingly come out over someone sitting down at a place where people are known for sitting down for long periods. At a de facto public meeting spot.

Also not sure where he's drawing any conclusions about people being disarmed. Just derailing the thread for zero reason.
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I am sure the FD shows up even if the cops don't. BTW, wasn't Starbucks' business model to offer free wifi and a place to sit for hours? I don't think they care if people order or not (most of the time, I guess).
 
1ofTheseKnights said:
Nice virtue signal Starbucks. I always thought of them as the preferred coffee shop of the KKK... :rolleyes:
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I can't quite tell if it's a PR stunt, or general affinity and care. In any case, this will be a precedent. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

They are bringing in the ACLU, NAACP and other entities. They are going 'all out.' So if it's just a PR stunt, they are doing everything right.
 
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