Statistically, Holman is one of the worst QBs in college football
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YDs CMP% Rating
McKenzie Milton 433 58.0 146.5
Justin Holman: 212 43.6 106.2
Nick Patti 137 52.2 102.2
McKenzie Milton 433 58.0 146.5
Justin Holman: 212 43.6 106.2
Nick Patti 137 52.2 102.2
The beauty of this game is the team learned to win without their starting QB.
I attribute this win to a team effort as Frost said and the offensive blocking
including that done by the WRs as the defense played yet again with
tremendous heart. Learning to get the W when not your best effort is BIG!
I attribute this win to a team effort as Frost said and the offensive blocking
including that done by the WRs as the defense played yet again with
tremendous heart. Learning to get the W when not your best effort is BIG!
#justwinbaby
While some WR's didn't help out Holman by some drops and near-misses (ok, should be near-catches), hopefully Holman can improve (admitted he should have taken more what the ECU D was giving), as odds are, Holman will be needed sometime during the rest of the season to help UCF win a game (or two or more).
Hope all UCF QB's can improve...and having a good running game will certainly help and hopefully the receivers will have better games.
While some WR's didn't help out Holman by some drops and near-misses (ok, should be near-catches), hopefully Holman can improve (admitted he should have taken more what the ECU D was giving), as odds are, Holman will be needed sometime during the rest of the season to help UCF win a game (or two or more).
Hope all UCF QB's can improve...and having a good running game will certainly help and hopefully the receivers will have better games.
I'm not sure why you feel a need to make personal attacks, but this "pathetic" guy celebrated a win with friends hours after the game. Why even have a message board if you aren't allowed to praise, criticize, analyze, or breakdown the performance of players good and bad?
I think that you may be best served posting on UCF fantasyland message board with Peter Pan.
Also, a win is a win, but that doesn't say anything about our team's future games and offense going forward.
So.., we have to wait for a loss to analyze the QB situation?
Aren't you the guy who wanted to ban all GOL posts???
Geez dude. It's a free message board. Let people write what they want. CMonty is a jerk, because that's ALL HE POSTS ABOUT.
It's not about tearing someone down.
The facts are facts: with Holman under center, this team is faced with an enormous amount of difficiencies. There's no other way around it. Even the least realistic UCF fan can see that.
spot on. It's seeing someone on the field that you know any coaching staff won't have the time to ever fix bc he just doesn't have any pocket awareness or feel for the game. We are all thrilled that we won but vs other better teams(USF, Temple, Houston) we can't expect special teams and defense to account for that many points. Holman is all feast or famine 500 ball deep and terrible at everything else that gets this offense going that relies on accuracy on short passes & pace to jump on opponents and his anemic 1st halves put all the pressure on the other units to be perfect to stay on pace.
Right, but it's worse than that because defenses are jamming the run and daring Holman to pass long into one-on-one coverage. Holman in post game interview said he's "gotta take what the other team gives me." Repeatedly, Holman opted for the home-run ball over open receivers for sure first downs. It's like baiting Donald Trump. A sure thing.
yeah even the ECU fans commenting on the game said Holman's play was the only reason it stayed close for as long as it did, average QB play and that is a blowout by halftime
Lol now you guys are saying ECU isn't a good team at all? I had this penciled in for a loss and when they beat NC State - who we couldnt beat in a bowl game in 2014 - i was thinking they and South Florida are the teams to beat. Plus were on the road. To beat them like we did is amazing. I think McKenzie runs this offense better than Holman, but i wouldnt go so far with the criticism laid on him. If any QB had this talent around and couldnt do much was Rob Calabrese. Holman had some deep throws that the receivers should have caught. Maybe Snelson was tweeting about how much faster he thought he was than the receivers on the field today.***
ECU is not a bad team at all. They aren't great as they lost to USC and Vtech pummeled them. This was a decent to quality win for sure.
Holman did not play well. A lot of us are done with Holman and all the excuses. I think It's perfectly fine to voice our opinions
Holman does stretch the defense with his ability to throw deep. Unfortunately he didn't connect a few. His struggle is not mixing in the check downs more and relying on the hero ball.
It is not as easy to put in patti or mm "and just run the ball" as many suggest. They are not proven deep threats and have some height limitations that cause them to miss open WRs. That allows teams to stack the box.
It is not as easy to put in patti or mm "and just run the ball" as many suggest. They are not proven deep threats and have some height limitations that cause them to miss open WRs. That allows teams to stack the box.
there were a few plays where Holman would hesitate(like always) on an option play and never pitch the ball leading to a sack loss
To add to that, his hesitation and failure to properly execute the option has caused a bad pitch relation with the back. They seemed way too close.
He can't read the defense properly.
In addition, there was a screen play or 2 that would have gone for much more yardage had the pass been
placed properly and with better touch.
I really liked Holman in is first year. He had a strong arm and I felt he would learn to be much better. He has not progressed imo. He seems like a nice guy and may make a good doctor one day but not a good QB...no way. His throwing motion is still too long, doesn't make good reads and has no touch. If he would put more air under the long ball he would do much better by giving his fast receivers a chance to run under it. Very frustrating to watch.
He may make a good doctor, as long as he's not an obstetrician, because his deliveries are too long. Or a radiologist. because he can't read and understand the film.
I'm kidding!!!!!!
Considering the dozens of sacks Holman took for the team last year and the year before, his odds of becoming a physician have worsened. I wish him all the best.
He will certainly take the top off the defenses and at the very least open up short and mid range passes.
So I am confused. You are saying Frost is the greatest coach but can not pick the correct starting quarterback?
Not at all. Frost is an excellent coach so far and Holman is not a good QB. Milton must have been hurt, so Holman was the best option. Although, no one can say for sure if Patti would have played better.
I have all the faith in Frost. He has probably watched the film 5-10 times over and has broken in down way more than anyone on here and I'm sure it's not pretty. Yes, there were a few drops, but he was not accurate (again) and his touch was poor (again), amongst many other things.
However, Frost is good at taking the high road and won't criticize him. That's good.
Curious to hear what Kyle Israel said.
There is a difference between analyze and and downright negativity. "he's one of the worst QBs in college football and he plays for our team. We deserve better". This is not necessary or accurate.
The analysis is negative, because it is what it is. If it was positive, then I'll be positive like a lot of my posts.
It's extremely factual watching it, reviewing it on video and statistically.
Don't tell me what to post and what's necessary and I won't tell you what to post.
Like you said, this is a message board and so evidently you don't need any decorum. So if you don't like my criticism of your lack of tact or good sense.... too bad. Next time put a little thought into you comment and how it might be perceived. Or don't. I don't care.
Three things we know now:
Milton ran more practices than Justin last week (Sentinel today) -- Holman's start was not part of some elaborate, secret PR misdirection; it was really a game-time decision.
Frost was frustrated that Holman was not "taking what the defense was giving him" (Holman's post-game quote about his own performance).
Frost hates to play quarterback roulette. Whoever he starts will stay in there unless he gets too injured to continue.
Milton ran more practices than Justin last week (Sentinel today) -- Holman's start was not part of some elaborate, secret PR misdirection; it was really a game-time decision.
Frost was frustrated that Holman was not "taking what the defense was giving him" (Holman's post-game quote about his own performance).
Frost hates to play quarterback roulette. Whoever he starts will stay in there unless he gets too injured to continue.
No. He said he we have to execute the passing game a lot better when defenses dare us to pass. And Holman post-game said he had to take what's given.
Holman has not improved as a qb since he started. No touch, poor accuracy and poor reads. I initially thought he was going to really improve because he had so much natural potential but he hasn't. Turning a negative into a positive is not our job...it is Holman's job and he has failed.
Yet there continues to be people who believe that he was "serviceable," and others who don't want us to be negative or critical in anyway. Only "positive vibes" and thoughts.
These are the present ratings out of all players that have thrown a pass in 2016:
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...geQuarterbackRating/qualified/false/count/241
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...sing/sort/collegeQuarterbackRating/count/121P
If Holman qualified (he's close), he would be ranked 123 out of 124.
Just a note as well. If Milton qualified, his ranking would be 48th. Tied with Joshua Dobbs of Tennessee; and yes, just ahead
of both the Michigan and Maryland QBs ironically.
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...geQuarterbackRating/qualified/false/count/121
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...assing/sort/collegeQuarterbackRating/count/41
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Statistically, he is 2-1 as a starter this year. He's all we got until Milton is healthy.
