Texas governor wants UH in Big 12

[Ace of Knights]

As much as I don't like it, we need to start rallying for some political or corporate support to come out in favor of us.

Houston will have a hard time getting support from the other Big 12 members, but who knows their tones may be changing.

http://www.burntorangenation.com/20...ston-cougars-big-12-expansion-texas-longhorns

 

[cocoabeachjason]

I saw that. Houston claimed they won't oppose a UT land grab of 332 acres for a satellite campus in the city of Houston in exchange for UT support getting Houston into the Big 12. Down to 1 or 3 slots because UT gets what it wants.

 

[KNIGHTTIME^]

As much as I don't like it, we need to start rallying for some political or corporate support to come out in favor of us.

Houston will have a hard time getting support from the other Big 12 members, but who knows their tones maybe changing.

http://www.burntorangenation.com/20...ston-cougars-big-12-expansion-texas-longhorns

Absolutely huge they got Texas on board. I thought they would be the biggest obstacle.

Not feeling good about our chances now. I'm guessing BYU and Houston make it.

 

[80'sKnight]

I know Texas is a big influence, but just wondering how much since they were completely against expansion and the vote for expansion was 100%.

 

[SkiDog291]

I just still don't see them adding another footprint in Texas, let alone getting approval from the other members outside the state.

Great support though from UT...FSU, Miami, and UF would never support UCF in joining their conferences respectively. FSU and UF tried to kock-block us from getting a state Med School.

 

[UCFProf]

Their gov is clueless and has no say over the Big 12. Austin runs this show, not the governor's mansion.

 

[Bearcat_Nippert]

Houston is a shoe-in along with Cincinnati.

Almost all of the Big 12 schools polled liked UH, BYU, and Cincinnati!

 

[muckdawg24]

Nipple called it, everyone should stop writing stories and covering this subject.

 

[Bearcat_Nippert]

Nipple called it, everyone should stop writing stories and covering this subject.

Please beat UC one time in Football or Basketball and then you can talk smack, son.

 

[steeleer]

TVs matter. UCF brings a lot more than Houston, since we already have plenty of Texas schools ( and B12 TV sets) in Houston already.

That guy wants Houston because Houston = votes. I doubt UT feels the same way.

 

[SublimeKnight]

TVs matter. UCF brings a lot more than Houston, since we already have plenty of Texas schools ( and B12 TV sets) in Houston already.

That guy wants Houston because Houston = votes. I doubt UT feels the same way.

I heard UT is on board with Houston, in exchange for Houston withdrawing their opposition to UT expanding.

 

[LemmyKilmister]

Please beat UC one time in Football or Basketball and then you can talk smack, son.

Please go give your mother that sponge bath and round up some more people to visit the BearPussy board so you won't come here any more....

 

[NestaKnight1]

Please beat UC one time in Football or Basketball and then you can talk smack, son.

Gotta love these douches that come to our board to run their weak smack after we're coming off an 0-12 season. Where was this troll when we won a BCS bowl or back to back AAC championships? By my count we've still won more AAC football championships than UC. Er.................sonny boy.

 

[LemmyKilmister]

Gotta love these douches that come to our board to run their weak smack after we're coming off an 0-12 season. Where was this troll when we won a BCS bowl or back to back AAC championships? By my count we've still won more AAC football championships than UC? Er.................sonny boy.

Nesta, i think you've given me an idea for his UCF board nickname.... drumroll please....

BearcatDouchbag!

 

[Jedi.Knight]

Please beat UC one time in Football or Basketball and then you can talk smack, son.

My, what short memories you Bearcats have .......

 

[80'sKnight]

My my a cincy boob bragging of a 7-6 record when you were picked for winning it. Guess coming here was the only place you could brag. Couldn't go to Temple, Memphis, BYU, Houston, USF or San Diego who embarrassed the shit out of Cincy- 42-7. I guess the only place you could go is to an 0-12 team because you're not much better.

 

[oumodguy]

Houston will get in just because the Texas Gov. and the UT pres. wants it. Every school not in Texas will be against it. Personally, I would rather have UCF, and Cinn.

 

[Square Knight]

I'm not sure why any non-Texas school would want to add another Longhorn Lapdog. Houston would just be another vote in the Texas bloc, doing whatever UT and Texas politicians tell them to do. All six schools outside Texas should be voting no on Houston and all it takes is 3 of the 6 to say no and Houston does not get in.

 

[NestaKnight1]

I'm not sure why any non-Texas school would want to add another Longhorn Lapdog. Houston would just be another vote in the Texas bloc, doing whatever UT and Texas politicians tell them to do. All six schools outside Texas should be voting no on Houston and all it takes is 3 of the 6 to say no and Houston does not get in.

I agree with you 100%. Adding Houston just empowers Texas. It would be like Changing Texas and the 3 stooges to Texas and the 4 stooges. Heck Texas Tech has already come out in support of UH after Texas told them what to do, how much longer until Baylor and TCU (even though private) chime in and add to the chorus? If I'm a member of the Big 12 not located in Texas I would be 100% opposed to UH as an addition. The Power in the Big 12 needs to spread outside of the state of Texas, not remain concentrated within it. The only way I'd vote to add UH if I'm a non-Texas member of the Big 12, is if Texas gives up the LHN and agrees to roll it into the Big 12 network, at least then each member outside the state of Texas is reaping some tangible benefit in exchange for further empowering UT and its minions (other Big 12 members located within Texas). OU and Boren might seize this opportunity to dismantle the LHN and somewhat level the playing field in the Big 12, by posing the question to Texas; how bad do you want UH in the Big 12? Go ask your Governor, because the only way UH is added is if you say goodby to the LHN, otherwise UH is indeed a "non starter."

 

[goody1986]

Seems like Texas supporting a Houston invite could be a great thing for UCF. Texas is the biggest obstacle to expansion, and now they've shown a path to eliminating that obstacle. If the non-Texas schools will use support of a Houston invite as leverage for a 4 team expansion, with the 3 others coming from outside of Texas, UCF has a very good shot.

 

[NestaKnight1]

Not if UCF is number 5 in that equation, and it's appears we are. Status quo until we rebound from 0-12 might be in our best interest. The only reason Texas flipped on expansion was when it was clear they are the only p-5 without their own network and the ACC extended their GOR thru 2035. The Big -12 has nowhere to make additional revenue to keep up with their p-5 counterparts without adding new members and giving the new additions less money than their pro-data share and spreading the difference between the existing members. Texas doesn't do anything that doesn't benefit Texas, even to the exclusion of their conference brethren, that's why Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, and most importantly Texas A&M left the Big 12. A four team invite is already in Texas' best interest, it's more money to split between themselves and the existing members. The only reason they're pushing for UH is to quiet opposition to their 332 acre land grab in the city of Houston, not because adding UH helps the Big 12 because it doesn't. The big 12 already has a "footprint" in Houston. If I'm correct it just proves my point ie., It benefits Texas to the exclusion of the Big 12 (by not expanding the conference footprint to add new markets). When it comes to Texas, "those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat its failures."

 

[goody1986]

Not if UCF is number 5 in that equation, and it's appears we are. Status quo until we rebound from 0-12 might be in our best interest. The only reason Texas flipped on expansion was when it was clear they are the only p-5 without their own network and the ACC extended their GOR thru 2035. The Big -12 has nowhere to make additional revenue to keep up with their p-5 counterparts without adding new members and giving the new additions less money than their pro-data share and spreading the difference between the existing members. Texas doesn't do anything that doesn't benefit Texas, even to the exclusion of their conference brethren, that's why Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, and most importantly Texas A&M left the Big 12. A four team invite is already in Texas' best interest, it's more money to split between themselves and the existing members.

If UCF is number 5 in any equation, it's not 1 or 2 in a 2 school expansion. I firmly believe that in a 4 school expansion, UCF is solidly in regardless of the other candidates. Don't think I agree with your assessment that UCF is #5 in the 4-team-including-Houston equation.

The Big XII would be absolutely foolish to give Memphis an invite. Memphis is lightyears behind the other top candidates with respect to academics, athletics, enrollment, surrounding population, and media/financial gain. By nearly every metric, they'd be a terrible invite in comparison to BYU, Houston, UCF, and Cincinnati. I don't see UConn, Tulane, or USF as viable candidates at this point. (USF's NCAA investigation did and should have taken them out of consideration immediately - the conference has enough investigatory struggles at this point). But I guess we've seen the Big XII leadership be foolish for years.

It is absolutely true that 0-12 couldn't have come at a worse time. Really any bowl game following the preceding successes would have UCF in much better position. However, Rutgers move to the B1G should teach us that, in the end, wins might count for less than most think anyway. If the Big XII has even a sliver of the foresight that the B1G had, UCF should be in.

 

[NestaKnight1]

If UCF is number 5 in any equation, it's not 1 or 2 in a 2 school expansion. I firmly believe that in a 4 school expansion, UCF is solidly in regardless of the other candidates. Don't think I agree with your assessment that UCF is #5 in the 4-team-including-Houston equation.

The Big XII would be absolutely foolish to give Memphis an invite. Memphis is lightyears behind the other top candidates with respect to academics, athletics, enrollment, surrounding population, and media/financial gain. By nearly every metric, they'd be a terrible invite in comparison to BYU, Houston, UCF, and Cincinnati. I don't see UConn, Tulane, or USF as viable candidates at this point. (USF's NCAA investigation did and should have taken them out of consideration immediately - the conference has enough investigatory struggles at this point). But I guess we've seen the Big XII leadership be foolish for years.

It is absolutely true that 0-12 couldn't have come at a worse time. Really any bowl game following the preceding successes would have UCF in much better position. However, Rutgers move to the B1G should teach us that, in the end, wins might count for less than most think anyway. If the Big XII has even a sliver of the foresight that the B1G had, UCF should be in.

As much as it pains me, I believe the current hierarchy of candidates if UH is added is:
1. UH;
2. BYU;
3. UC;
4. UConn.
IMHO that makes UCF #5, which has absolutely no benefit.

 

[goody1986]

As much as it pains me, I believe the current hierarchy of candidates if UH is added is:
1. UH;
2. BYU;
3. UC;
4. UConn.
IMHO that makes UCF #5, which has absolutely no benefit.

What's your thinking on UConn ahead of UCF? I don't see it. And, again, if you see UCF at 5, you can't see them at 2, so I assume your position is that UCF is left out?

 

[NestaKnight1]

What's your thinking on UConn ahead of UCF? I don't see it. And, again, if you see UCF at 5, you can't see them at 2, so I assume your position is that UCF is left out?

As to UConn they are 300 or so miles away from UWV, they help bridge the island gap together with UC, they expand the footprint arguably into the NY and N.E. Markets, and they add championship basketball programs (both men's and women's) into the conference. If expansion occurs on the announced timeline of a 2017 or 2018, I do fear UCF would be left out if UH is included. Without UH, however, I believe it would be BYU, UC, UConn And either Memphis or UCF. Personally I believe UCF should win that competition hands down, even with Fred Smith's and FED-Ex's monetary bribes.

 

[oumodguy]

UConn has no chance based on what we are hearing. Honesty, the top candidates UH, BYU, Cinn. and Memphis. UM brings Fedex money to the table. BYU just wants to compete in football only.

 

[NestaKnight1]

UConn has no chance based on what we are hearing. Honesty, the top candidates UH, BYU, Cinn. and Memphis. UM brings Fedex money to the table. BYU just wants to compete in football only.

I hope you're right about UCONN and wrong about Memphis, but if you just google Big 12 expansion you'll see that on many talking heads hierarchy of candidates they (UConn) are ahead of UCF.

 

[firm_bizzle]

I just still don't see them adding another footprint in Texas, let alone getting approval from the other members outside the state.

Great support though from UT...FSU, Miami, and UF would never support UCF in joining their conferences respectively. FSU and UF tried to kock-block us from getting a state Med School.

Maybe it just gives them cover.

 

[firm_bizzle]

Houston will get in just because the Texas Gov. and the UT pres. wants it. Every school not in Texas will be against it. Personally, I would rather have UCF, and Cinn.

It may force them to add 4 schools.

 

[80'sKnight]

Florida government should say something about it too. It won't mean a damn thing other than get a couple of sports articles written about it, but adding UCF or another nameless Florida school to P5 status will do nothing but bring money and status into the state. In the end, I guess we quietly worked our way into the Big East and are trying to do that again. On the other hand ecu's constant muffin baskets got them in.

 

[KNIGHTTIME^]

Florida government should say something about it too. It won't mean a damn thing other than get a couple of sports articles written about it, but adding UCF or another nameless Florida school to P5 status will do nothing but bring money and status into the state. In the end, I guess we quietly worked our way into the Big East and are trying to do that again. On the other hand ecu's constant muffin baskets got them in.

ESPN was pushing us in the original Big East. We are not hearing the same now. We need expansion votes delayed for a year. All our programs turned into a trainwreck in the same year.

 

[LemmyKilmister]

F the Texas Governor.

 

[sideshow2313]

The President of UT and entire staff can tweet whatever but till UT tells the non-Texas members to vote with them its just political grandstanding.

 

[goodknightfl]

"WE ARE DOOMED!!"

 

[SublimeKnight]

"WE ARE DOOMED!!"

It can't be said enough

 

[Central Floridave]

fyi, USA Today’s Dan Wolken reported that Houston booster Tilman Fertitta contributed $150,000 to Greg Abbott’s gubernatorial campaign. Two years later, Abbott is backing Houston's bid for the Big 12.

 

[bignow]

You guys put too much weight on one season. This is about online numbers and the future. Houston has campus problems and Cinci is tapped out. UCF is in a great position. Bottom line All expansion numbers point to Florida.

 

[SublimeKnight]

You guys put too much weight on one season. This is about online numbers and the future. Houston has campus problems and Cinci is tapped out. UCF is in a great position. Bottom line All expansion numbers point to Florida.

It's coming out that the Big12s plan for a network is to launch online. Seems like large universities, pumping out cord-cutting young grads, would be the direction you'd want to go.

 

[80'sKnight]

ecu's governor and governor wannabe (N. Caro) have entered their pleas for the Big 12 to add ecu.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...pread-it-has-invaded-north-carolina-politics/

 

[rizbull1]

Who cares what the Governor of Texas wants unless he is making the decision.