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The big ten and comparison to UCFs accomplishments since 2004

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The only thing that matters is winning conference titles, BCS Bowls and National Titles. Here's a list of the current Big Ten schools that have at least 3.3 Conference Titles and a BCS Bowl victory since 2004:
Ohio State....that's it. Wisconsin was the only otger school that came close.

According to some, that would mean all other schools in the Big 10 should immediately terminate the contracts of all head football head coaches and school presidents. I used a sample of one but I don't think it's a stretch to guess and say for the other four P5 conferences there might be 5-8 other teams that also fit into this elite category. I also think if somebody wins a national title that could certainly trump any amount of conference titles or BCS Bowl wins but nobody but ohio state has won from the Big Ten.

I'm not here to haggle about minutia or a loss here or there. We're a G5 school and peaked in 2013. There is nothing more we can achieve as a G5 program, unless we rip off two undefeated seasons in a row and then maybe, maybe we'd be considered for the college football championship, and i think we'd still get dissed because they don't want to share that $ with "us". Reality is that unless we get promoted to a P5 conference you really should temper your expectations based on the obvious gap in money and recruiting that currently exists. Nobody likes losing to someone you should beat on paper but we laid an egg and until we see this extremely young, inexperienced squad play 4-5 games your guess is as good as mine as to whether we are a 4-8 team, or 8-4 team (realistically i think we should get to 7 wins).
 
Oh boy.........

The original poster is correct. Outside of Boise, nobody in the G5 is sustaining long periods of dominance. That is not to saying losing to FIU at home is acceptable, but we don't get the luxury to rebuild with 4 and 5 star talent in a G5 league. That breeds ups and downs. I'm more upset of this dual roll with O'Leary which he isn't a people person and doesn't like social media. How can you run an athletic department and not understand those two functions? Plus it gives him rights to pick a head coach. The guy fully deserves some serious credit for getting us a BCS win, but the AD roll is over the top. I'm even ok with an O'leary statue when his time to retire is here.

And we need Taaffe back!!!!
 
The original poster is correct. Outside of Boise, nobody in the G5 is sustaining long periods of dominance. That is not to saying losing to FIU at home is acceptable, but we don't get the luxury to rebuild with 4 and 5 star talent in a G5 league. That breeds ups and downs. I'm more upset of this dual roll with O'Leary which he isn't a people person and doesn't like social media. How can you run an athletic department and not understand those two functions? Plus it gives him rights to pick a head coach. The guy fully deserves some serious credit for getting us a BCS win, but the AD roll is over the top. I'm even ok with an O'leary statue when his time to retire is here.

And we need Taaffe back!!!!
I gotta agree with you. I think there is a big COI with him being interim AD. Especially if there is "an understanding" that Key is the next coach. How can he be objective? There are also a lot of good coaches and assistants out there that should get serious looks. I don't think o'leary is the guy to move our athletics forward mainly because of the points you made about the absolute need to utilize social media to keep the fanbase informed. I know he has a lot of experience in being involved but i think ADs need a different, business-oriented mindsrt to succeed.
 
The only thing that matters is winning conference titles, BCS Bowls and National Titles. Here's a list of the current Big Ten schools that have at least 3.3 Conference Titles and a BCS Bowl victory since 2004:
Ohio State....that's it. Wisconsin was the only otger school that came close.

Four time conference champion UCF record vs the P5 during GOL era - 7-21
Defending national champion Ohio State vs the ooc P5 during GOL era - 10-10 , Ohio State vs the G5 during GOL era - 23-0
Lets add prior national champion Florida State vs the ooc P5 during GOL era - 18-14, vs G5 - 6-1
Wisconsin vs the ooc P5 - 9-9

These programs had more than one coach during the GOL era.

Before 2013 our conference championship program was 3-17 against the P5. Its great to win a title but what does it say about our conference? And we arent just losing to Ohio State and Wisconsin - its to NC State, a 5-7 Missouri, Penn State during its recruiting lows and Kansas State. When you compare that to Utah's 28-12 record vs the P5 during the GOL era before 2011 and TCUs 16-8 record during the same stretch you'll wonder why the Big 12 isnt in a hurry to invite us.

According to some, that would mean all other schools in the Big 10 should immediately terminate the contracts of all head football head coaches and school presidents. I used a sample of one but I don't think it's a stretch to guess and say for the other four P5 conferences there might be 5-8 other teams that also fit into this elite category. I also think if somebody wins a national title that could certainly trump any amount of conference titles or BCS Bowl wins but nobody but ohio state has won from the Big Ten.

GOL has been our coach for over 10 years. We've given him enough time. The successful programs mentioned above had more than one coach in that span. You dont think the less successful programs in the P5 are firing coaches? Even programs in the American have new coaches. If Houston and SMU had our mentality they would be keeping June Jones and Tony Levine.

I'm not here to haggle about minutia or a loss here or there. We're a G5 school and peaked in 2013. There is nothing more we can achieve as a G5 program, unless we rip off two undefeated seasons in a row and then maybe, maybe we'd be considered for the college football championship, and i think we'd still get dissed because they don't want to share that $ with "us". Reality is that unless we get promoted to a P5 conference you really should temper your expectations based on the obvious gap in money and recruiting that currently exists. Nobody likes losing to someone you should beat on paper but we laid an egg and until we see this extremely young, inexperienced squad play 4-5 games your guess is as good as mine as to whether we are a 4-8 team, or 8-4 team (realistically i think we should get to 7 wins).

The point isnt to win the national championship though. Its to prove to the conferences that want to expand that we are worthy of being added.
Utah was 28-12 versus the P5 during the GOL era before 2011. TCU was 16-8 before realignment. We are only 7-21 (3-17 before the 2013 season). I wouldve happily pointed out if GOL turned the corner - if we went on a 6-2 run from 2013 and on (meaning wins over Penn State twice, NC State in the bowl and the other 2013 wins) - but since that year we trended down and now stand at 4-4 with the potential to decline even more. Its not us that peaked because we're just a G5 program, its who is behind the program that is responsible for why we only have one great year. GOL took us far enough. Now he must >>> go.
 
Nuthuggers always hugging! There is zero excuses for losing to FIU. Zero. Unacceptable.

I agree but to throw a bone to the huggers I will accept a FIU program beating us on their home field if they are fielding a good team that year. There is no excuses for programs like that to beat us at BHN stadium at all...especially since 2010.
 
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We should be a top 25 team year after year at this point in time. Our recruiting sucks, as well as the coaching. Bottom line.
 
We should be a top 25 team year after year at this point in time. Our recruiting sucks, as well as the coaching. Bottom line.

Setting your expectations a little high to be a regular top 25. Outside of maybe 10-15 elite teams, that is nearly impossible. Your roster needs to be filled with blue chip players for that to be a regular occasion.
 
Setting your expectations a little high to be a regular top 25. Outside of maybe 10-15 elite teams, that is nearly impossible. Your roster needs to be filled with blue chip players for that to be a regular occasion.

No it doesn't, not when you play a weak schedule. You schedule 2 P5 schools if possible. You go 7-1 or 8-0 in conference and you win your 2 cupcake games .ie FIU. That is a 9-3 to 11-1 season every year. GOL biggest failure is in recruiting and he isn't a good enough game manager to overcome that. I realize that we've been on probation the last few years but you have to get 20-25 recruits every year, not 15-19. When your school is in Orlando, the majority of those recruits need to come from FL and GA.
 
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We should be a top 25 team year after year at this point in time. Our recruiting sucks, as well as the coaching. Bottom line.
So our recruiting sucks and our coaching sucks according to you but somehow you expect us to be top 25 year after year? Makes sense.
 
We shouldn't be in the top 25 every year. That's just foolish talk. We are G5. How many G5 teams are there? How many are in the top 25 every year? Like 1-2. Maybe? Not even BYU.
 
We shouldn't be in the top 25 every year. That's just foolish talk. We are G5. How many G5 teams are there? How many are in the top 25 every year? Like 1-2. Maybe? Not even BYU.

It must be nice to have such low expectations. Do you also not expect your kids to make it past 8th grade? Do you also not expect your wife to be faithful? Do you also not expect your car not to start in the morning?
 
Just being realistic. Apples and oranges dude. Your analogies are way off once again. I expect those things, however, NO ONE realistically can expect a G5 program to be top 25 EVERY YEAR.
 
Just being realistic. Apples and oranges dude. Your analogies are way off once again. I expect those things, however, NO ONE realistically can expect a G5 program to be top 25 EVERY YEAR.

No one can invest in their program and expect that investment to pay off??
 
It must be nice to have such low expectations. Do you also not expect your kids to make it past 8th grade? Do you also not expect your wife to be faithful? Do you also not expect your car not to start in the morning?

Let's see the stats. How many G5 teams have made the top 25 every year in the past 10?? Bet you the answer is 0 or Boise. Last 5?? Maybe the same.
 
No one can invest in their program and expect that investment to pay off??

Yes.., you got a 2010 top 20-25 ranking and a top 10 2013. You have conference championships and a few P5 wins. You have bowl games.

Along the way you have 4-5 really crappy losses and a few poor seasons. Should have been more like 2 crappy losses.

There's not much more than that to expect.
 
I wouldn't say we peaked in 2013. That implies a level of success that you are unlikely to reach again. Now that at least one team is guaranteed to get an Access Bowl every year, there is no reason not to expect UCF to be in that bowl at least once every four years.

UCF has too much going for it in terms of location, school size, etc for us not to be a top 1-3 G5 team year in and year out...every year...year after year.
 
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No it doesn't, not when you play a weak schedule. You schedule 2 P5 schools if possible. You go 7-1 or 8-0 in conference and you win your 2 cupcake games .ie FIU. That is a 9-3 to 11-1 season every year. GOL biggest failure is in recruiting and he isn't a good enough game manager to overcome that. I realize that we've been on probation the last few years but you have to get 20-25 recruits every year, not 15-19. When your school is in Orlando, the majority of those recruits need to come from FL and GA.

Correct. With our weak schedule, there is not reason we should not be in the top 25 often. We are not in the SEC!
 
So our recruiting sucks and our coaching sucks according to you but somehow you expect us to be top 25 year after year? Makes sense.
Oh boy...... That is the whole point! Our coaching sucks, we need a change. We won't be in the top 25 often with what we have. YES IT MAKES SENSE.

I can't believe people are happy with what we have. With support like this, we're in a lot of trouble.
 
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Oh boy...... That is the whole point! Our coaching sucks, we need a change. We won't be in the top 25 often with what we have. YES IT MAKES SENSE.

I can't believe people are happy with what we have. With support like this, we're in a lot of trouble.

O'pologists.
 
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