The four dems

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  1. Sir Galahad

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    I believe the press conference warrants its own thread. Wow, they just lost the house for the Dem’s. You would think the democratic leadership would have reviewed their comments.

    Nancy has to be spinning out of control.
     
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    Are you talking about their most recent one where the four all took exception to Trump's race-baiting weekend twitter storm?

    If those rookie Congresswomen "lost the House" for the Dems as SG believes, Trump stepped in with his racist garbage to "save the day" for them.
     
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    Are we talking about the rabid anti-Semites who also stage photos as propaganda and claim that Jewish money controls our country?
     
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    You had to see, first what did he say that was racist? The four morons would say in one sentence this was just a distraction and to keep working on their program. Their next sentence would be about impeachment. It was a clown show of stupidity.
     
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    I learned that everyone owns the United States. Even illegals by this speech.
     
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    Y'all are fuking hopeless. This is literally how Nazi Germany started. Jesus.
     
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    illegals invading Germany and offering them free govt benefits for breaking laws. I didn't read that in WW2.
     
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    You are a complete moron

    Did you ever go to school?

    You are a savage, caveman, who has no knowledge of basic history whatsoever.

    You’re coming across as a complete imbecile.

    Nothing to offer whatsoever.
     
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    Well the United States of America was started by going to war with the people from a different country who wanted it to be just like their shithole overseas, so...
     
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    You don't see the problem here?

    "Their country of origin" is the United States. They are in Congress trying to fix their country of origin. To many people of color they don't find daily life in America as cheerful as white straight males. Just because they want to improve life for Americans who aren't white doesn't mean they aren't looking after America and just because they aren't white doesn't mean they aren't American.

    Many Americans are not white. Hope that clears up any confusion as to why it was offensive.
     
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    I do think that he meant the country of their nationality.

    Let’s face it, the 4 have their own agenda and unfortunately it’s a bit fake and biased to be anit-Trump
     
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    trump always shooting himself in the foot. sure his base loves alot of this stuff, but hes not going to pull in any new voters in 2020 if he keeps this stuff up.
     
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    Of course you assume it is related to a race issue. We are running a trillion dollar deficit. Why bring in those that literally will pay no federal taxes and be a burden to the system. You won't take them into your home I'm pretty sure.
     
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    This always confuses me when I hear or read someone say something similar. Is someone asking you to take immigrants into your home? Most who come here have relatives or friends they stay with, so I don't know where this idea comes from they are going to be living in our homes.

    Immigrants pay taxes and typically don't get anywhere near the benefits of citizens, if any at all, so they are not a burden on the system.
     
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    And you assume it's not??!?!??!

    When a US citizen who's home of origin is England, Sweden, Norway, or the Czech Republic is told by our President to "return home" if they don't like it here, I'll agree with you. But pardon me if I don't hold my breath.
     
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    The point is everyone can be a bleeding heart until it impacts them. Bernie is a bleeding heart with other peoples money. He donates nearly nothing every year when it impacts him. Unless you make a decent income you pay 0 federal taxes with our progressive system. So bringing in typically low skilled workers has a net drain on resources. I'm pretty sure that the net economic impact of illegal immigration is over -200 billion per year.

    I do think we can try to use compassionate words, but at some point we need to control who enters. Other countries you have to prove you're not an economic drain and no assistance for a number of years.
     
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    That’s interesting, because estimates minus taxes paid run from $50 billion to $200 billion+.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna950981
     
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    Everyone in your article besides Trump says it is no where near 200 billion. The Heritage Foundation, a very conservative think tank says it is about $54 billion, but even says it is basically impossible to actually get a real #.
     
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    Which is why I gave a range from $50b to $200b+. But you stated that there is no drain to the system. $50 billion would equate to 1/20th of our federal deficit if this was all federal drain. That is a significant number.
     
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    AOC already lost her district over Amazon alone. Everything she's doing as of late is just exposing herself.

    Omar looks to be in an even worse situation. She is viewed negatively by virtually all Americans outside a small segment.
     
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    The biggest cost with non-port of entry crossings is the organized crime, both for Mexico and the US.

    They either make money directly from the crossers or, in the supermajority of cases, indirectly from the drugs, guns and people they run across in lieu of direct payment.

    And then the communities they end up becoming a part of require additional law enforcement, as well as the fact that they are underpaid and will take advantage of various services at the cost of taxpayers.

    Note that this isn't limited to just undocumented residents either. It's a problem with work visa holders who are underpaid as well, with people on both sides of the border taking much (if not most) of their paycheck.

    That's why even those who qualify for welfare, legally, are not only still on welfare 10 years later, but taking more welfare. That means we aren't helping people become self-sufficient Americans, unlike previous generations.

    And the left is just as responsible for our current anti-meritocratic, anti-independence system, as the right.
     
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    So why are we talking about illegal immigrants in this thread? Do we need to say it every hour for you dumb shit heads to remember. These women are American citizens. 3 were born here. 1 came as a child.

    The fact that you're drawn to discussing immigration in this thread is exactly why Trump gets away with telling natural born citizens to go back to their own country.

    Oh I see. Confirmed racist @Husk in butt decided this was actually an immigration issue when discussing natural born citizens.
     
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    This is not a quote about immigrants. This is a quote referring to American citizens.
     
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    She hasn't lost her district over Amazon. A lot of people in her district didn't want Amazon in the first place.
     
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    Ummm, yeah, keep telling yourself that. Even Democratic internal polls show otherwise, let alone public ones used by both parties.
     
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    Which poll are you citing?
     
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    Racist garbage is right.....just amazing this guy is still around
     
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    totally! Hitler tactics
     
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    Red hats see the problem......good luck with that.
     
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    We will see when primaries roll around.
     
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    I can back that up. I hire them. Legal immigrants who have green cards but not citizenship. Hard workers for low pay. Language barrier but hard workers.
     
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    But the Democrats are not for issuing Green Cards. They been just as big for expansion of Work Visas, where others take much (if not most) money on both sides of the border, as much as Undocumented status. And everyone time anyone brings up changing this, the left is totally against it. They like 'slave representation' in their states.

    If you actually read the IEEE-USA, they'd explain why and how the left is not solving the problem, and has caused the US to be come anti-meritocratic. We don't have immigration any more. The proof is in the fact that even after 10 years, welfare claims go up from legal immigrants or those granted asylum, not down.

    When someone from either the left or right addresses that, I will support them. To his credit, Bernie Sanders has repeatedly focused on this. And to his credit, Donald Trump has said if the Democrats come to the negotiation table, he will focus on issuing more Green Cards, and killing the Work Visa programs.

    We'll never know if Trump is being truthful or not because the left has not engaged. But Sanders has hit home that the current system is broken. Meanwhile, the Bushes, Clintons, Obamas, etc... have pushed the expanded 'temporary' solutions that make things work, and actually prevent people from being immigrants -- especially the most educated.
     
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    Take a history class and then come back and post you uneducated POS

    Hitler and Holocaust comments are for TDS, irresponsible imbeciles
     
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    6 more years. Get use to it
     
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    Trump killed 6 million Mexicans! You didn't hear?
     
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    In gas cages!

    It gets me so upset when I hear this crap after visiting 2 of the main Holocaust museums in the world.

    The U.S Holocaust Museum actually came out with a statement that they basically don’t support any comparisons or references of any type to those terrible times
     
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    Funny thing. I've visited 2 of the main Holocaust museums too. I was sick to my stomach seeing how human beings could treat other humans like filthy animals going to slaughter.

    The scene of the mass murders was incredibly hard to take. So were the appalling conditions of their imprisonment. I would have thought your museum experiences would have generated a very different reaction than it apparently did.
     
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    If you’re trying to compare how we are treating illegal immigrants vs how concentration camp victims were treated and those in ghettos, perhaps you should go back to those museums and walk through them a little slower


    Additionally, perhaps that you should talk to one of the few Holocaust survivors that is left in this world

    If you need a history lesson of the gory details, I would be more than to provide them to you

    The comparison is appalling and embarrassing

    The illegal immigrants are in a country club compared to what the Jews, Soviets, homosexuals, gypsies, and POWs experienced
     

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