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The Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations

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Charles Boyle, the governor’s deputy communications director, said the governor’s staff notified legislative staff the same day the governor signed the bill.

Boyle said in an emailed statement that suspending the reading, writing and math proficiency requirements while the state develops new graduation standards will benefit “Oregon’s Black, Latino, Latina, Latinx, Indigenous, Asian, Pacific Islander, Tribal, and students of color.”
 
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It’ll benefit them how?

Some won’t know how to read, write, or do math but they’ll be deemed high school graduates anyway.
 
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Who cares? Graduation of high school has always been simply a product of not dropping out. Holding a HS diploma has never been an indicator of future success. Jobs for which nothing more than a HS diploma qualifies a person for don’t require proficiency in any skill traditionally mastered in high school anyway.
 
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Who cares? Graduation of high school has always been simply a product of not dropping out. Holding a HS diploma has never been an indicator of future success. Jobs for which nothing more than a HS diploma qualifies a person for don’t require proficiency in any skill traditionally mastered in high school anyway.
That should not be true and has historically been false. All of the trade jobs traditionally leaned on high schoolers to know the basics of mathematics, speaking, financials, technical and other writing. They worked as helpers and then journeymen and then higher. There are a lot of fields where a credible high school diploma should suffice to show employers that candidates can communicate well, finish tasks, and work within groups. This is why, traditionally, people with high school diplomas are more successful.

Unfortunately, when activists groups push children through without the achievement just to try to make them more successful, it devalues the entire diploma. Now hiring managers require college degrees because they think the candidates will learn the above in college, thus hurting people who traditionally cannot go to college. So by pushing people through high school they are actually hurting more people than they are helping. The same goes with colleges, by the way.
 
Who cares? Graduation of high school has always been simply a product of not dropping out. Holding a HS diploma has never been an indicator of future success. Jobs for which nothing more than a HS diploma qualifies a person for don’t require proficiency in any skill traditionally mastered in high school anyway.
Why fund education then?
 
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Why fund education then?
The fact that a HS diploma isn’t proof of education to a specific standard doesn’t mean that students aren’t and cannot be educated in HS. For some it is a gateway to future learning and pursuits. Knowledge to build upon. For others it is a publicly funded babysitter. And we know from last year how up arms folks get if you take that away. So you prefer holding back or failing struggling students to giving them a diploma? Publicly funding their floundering for longer. I don’t think anybody is establishing a career based on their ability to produce a high school diploma.
 
The fact that a HS diploma isn’t proof of education to a specific standard doesn’t mean that students aren’t and cannot be educated in HS. For some it is a gateway to future learning and pursuits. Knowledge to build upon. For others it is a publicly funded babysitter. And we know from last year how up arms folks get if you take that away. So you prefer holding back or failing struggling students to giving them a diploma? Publicly funding their floundering for longer. I don’t think anybody is establishing a career based on their ability to produce a high school diploma.
Yes. I prefer holding them back and not giving them a diploma if they don’t earn one. If they can’t read or do simple math they shouldn’t graduate.

How does it help anyone to do that?

Disinterested students know they’re just going to be promoted to the next grade anyway, so why learn anything?

Jaded teachers know they just have to finish the year and pass them up to the next teacher who will do the same until the “student” graduates.

There’s no accountability in it for anyone in that case. Students are allowed to remain thoroughly uneducated and teachers just get to pass their problem students along.

All this in the name of what? Sparing a kid some embarrassment? They’ll be crippled by their illiteracy for probably their whole lives, but at least they were allowed to graduate with the rest of their stupid friends at 18.
 
Yes. I prefer holding them back and not giving them a diploma if they don’t earn one. If they can’t read or do simple math they shouldn’t graduate.

How does it help anyone to do that?

Disinterested students know they’re just going to be promoted to the next grade anyway, so why learn anything?

Jaded teachers know they just have to finish the year and pass them up to the next teacher who will do the same until the “student” graduates.

There’s no accountability in it for anyone in that case. Students are allowed to remain thoroughly uneducated and teachers just get to pass their problem students along.

All this in the name of what? Sparing a kid some embarrassment? They’ll be crippled by their illiteracy for probably their whole lives, but at least they were allowed to graduate with the rest of their stupid friends at 18.
Can you still graduate without passing any classes? I’m pretty sure this is an exit requirement for specific reading, writing, and math knowledge that constitutes a high school standard. I don’t think that necessarily means they are churning out illiterate kids who can’t write words or perform elementary math.
 
Can you still graduate without passing any classes? I’m pretty sure this is an exit requirement for specific reading, writing, and math knowledge that constitutes a high school standard. I don’t think that necessarily means they are churning out illiterate kids who can’t write words or perform elementary math.
They are doing exactly that. The thought is that a high school diploma, regardless of the education behind it, is enough to break the schoolroom to prison pipeline. There was a significant Obama-era program dedicated to just this policy. As you could predict, it’s backfired as people become reluctant to hire when they can’t trust the diploma.
 
They are doing exactly that. The thought is that a high school diploma, regardless of the education behind it, is enough to break the schoolroom to prison pipeline. There was a significant Obama-era program dedicated to just this policy. As you could predict, it’s backfired as people become reluctant to hire when they can’t trust the diploma.
I’m just saying not passing a test for 12th grade level reading, writing and math, doesn’t mean a person is illiterate or can’t add or subtract. I assume there are still grades and the concept of passing classes, no? Or is that done with? In reality this is more about a headline than any tangible effect. We aren’t pumping out illiterate kids who have somehow sat through a requisite amount of schooling for more than a decade just because we aren’t basing their graduation on a standardized test result (which I never had to take).
 
I’m just saying not passing a test for 12th grade level reading, writing and math, doesn’t mean a person is illiterate or can’t add or subtract. I assume there are still grades and the concept of passing classes, no? Or is that done with? In reality this is more about a headline than any tangible effect. We aren’t pumping out illiterate kids who have somehow sat through a requisite amount of schooling for more than a decade just because we aren’t basing their graduation on a standardized test result (which I never had to take).
This isn’t for 12th grade reading level. Read the article.
 
I’m just saying not passing a test for 12th grade level reading, writing and math, doesn’t mean a person is illiterate or can’t add or subtract. I assume there are still grades and the concept of passing classes, no? Or is that done with? In reality this is more about a headline than any tangible effect. We aren’t pumping out illiterate kids who have somehow sat through a requisite amount of schooling for more than a decade just because we aren’t basing their graduation on a standardized test result (which I never had to take).
I haven’t had time to look up the articles but there are some real bad places for this. Like in the Baltimore city schools, the percentage of kids graduating with a 12th grade reading level is regularly in the teens. The percentage graduating with just an 8th grade level is at or less than 50 percent.

In Chicago, 75% of elementary school children don’t meet their standards. In the lower performing high schools, more than half of the students (5000 or so) cannot perform basic addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division.

It goes on and on. The people pushing this policy think like you do; just get them the diploma because they don’t need a lot of education but at least the diploma will get them a job. But they lose those jobs fairly quickly and then what do they do?

The best argument for a systemically racist system is one that pushes kids through the levels without preparing them for life. That is an utter failure and a tragedy and it’s perpetuated by people who think they are doing good work.
 
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I haven’t had time to look up the articles but there are some real bad places for this. Like in the Baltimore city schools, the percentage of kids graduating with a 12th grade reading level is regularly in the teens. The percentage graduating with just an 8th grade level is at or less than 50 percent.

In Chicago, 75% of elementary school children don’t meet their standards. In the lower performing high schools, more than half of the students (5000 or so) cannot perform basic addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division.

It goes on and on. The people pushing this policy think like you do; just get them the diploma because they don’t need a lot of education but at least the diploma will get them a job. But they lose those jobs fairly quickly and then what do they do?

The best argument for a systemically racist system is one that pushes kids through the levels without preparing them for life. That is an utter failure and a tragedy and it’s perpetuated by people who think they are doing good work.
Holding a child back doesn’t improve the situation. It only increases dropout rates. The issues you describe are indicative of a poor education system. Applying a test to deny advancement doesn’t address the root cause of why students are not well educated.
 
Holding a child back doesn’t improve the situation. It only increases dropout rates. The issues you describe are indicative of a poor education system. Applying a test to deny advancement doesn’t address the root cause of why students are not well educated.
I’m all for a multi-faceted approach. How do we make parents better in this country?
 
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