http://news.yahoo.com/kindergarten-trip-to-visit-santa-1326217319448630.html
Cancelled because of 1 student out of the entire class. SMH.
Cancelled because of 1 student out of the entire class. SMH.
The war on Christmas continues
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I have been making a point to say Merry Christmas as much as possible.
Do Jewish people think Christians worship Santa Claus? This wasn't a religious field trip. They weren't going to a Manger scene. They're going to a coffee shop with Santa for a writing workshop. The lady should just tell her kid to write that he doesn't believe in Santa and explain his beliefs about how his mom is overbearing and destroys everything he loves.
While I agree a public school shouldn't spend a whole week on just one religion, a visit to Santa doesn't seem like it's all that tied with the religious side of the holiday, but more of a kid-friendly way of entertaining a whole class. Shoot, I'm an atheist and I absolutely want my kid to visit Santa every year. I have plenty of Jewish friends who wouldn't mind their kid going on a field trip to see Santa, even if they don't celebrate Christmas. Also, why couldn't she just opt-out of the field trip and stay with another class for the day?
anon_x731qvsnsyb8i
Diamond Knight
I love this statement...THIS is tolerance. THIS is the idea I was taught growing up in a Liberal/Civil-libertarian household.
I'm a non-theist or as others call, an "atheist", but I am also keenly aware that many other parts of religion have meandered into our CULTURE, even if secular, and aren't necessarily "religious". I call them "FESTIVE". If you don't like it or enjoy it, don't participate and find something else constructive to do. People will always be people, and even members of the same faith or congregations have different ideas of what their religion or belief system means.
FML for liking a Mr. Knightman post.
anon_x731qvsnsyb8i
Diamond Knight
Another thing...
People are all caught up in religion, belief, etc...and their differences.
WHO CARES HOW WE GOT HERE!!??? It doesn't friggin' matter if it was 2 million years ago or 8,000, or if we evolved or were created by some sentient omnipotent alien thing using an atomic 3D printer...we're here. Sit-down, shut-up, drink beer/liquor, share some stories, fall asleep, forget about it, wake up, repeat.
JUST RELAX.
People are all caught up in religion, belief, etc...and their differences.
WHO CARES HOW WE GOT HERE!!??? It doesn't friggin' matter if it was 2 million years ago or 8,000, or if we evolved or were created by some sentient omnipotent alien thing using an atomic 3D printer...we're here. Sit-down, shut-up, drink beer/liquor, share some stories, fall asleep, forget about it, wake up, repeat.
JUST RELAX.
Well you would be wrong. I don't remember Santa Claus being part of any Jewish celebration, yes it is specific to Christmas. That being said, she should have just told her daughter that she was not going although I could see the damage that this could cause a five year old.
Truth is, what the hell is a public school doing this for in the first place. We recently moved from a small town in North Carolina where the public middle school had a large cross in front of gym. We moved to Charlotte two months later.
The Sultan of Brunei approves. Next offense will result in stoning.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-festivities-fear-leading-Muslims-astray.html
Now THAT is a war on Christmas.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-festivities-fear-leading-Muslims-astray.html
Now THAT is a war on Christmas.
Christmas is now a US celebration and has little connection to Christian Christmas. If you don't like US Consumer Christmas you're just un-American.
PRAISE SANTA CLAUS! Give us this day, our daily cookie...
God deniers are up there w vegans & Crossfitters
anon_x731qvsnsyb8i
Diamond Knight
God deniers are up there w vegans & Crossfitters
I deny all deities, specters, ghouls, goblins, demons (including Satan), grey-aliens, gnomes, imps, cheribs, minotaurs, medusas, leprechauns, unicorns (sorry Lil Miss Knight), fairies, frost-giants, Buddha, Confucius, Socialisps, Democrasses and Republican'ts along with any other form of philosophy or belief that seeks ideological homogeneity as a foundation for some bizarre utopia where everyone knows your name and is fundamentally alike and gets along. To me, that's scary...it means we are void of culture and have created a slate, stringent society just as Edgar Friendly feared.
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This statement is the ideological equivalent of shopping at Hot Topic and furthers 1ofTheseKnights' argument. Well done.
Can someone tell me why a public school in super liberal California is teaching religion in it's curriculum? I had to double check to make sure that this wasn't some bible thumping, private school that teaches about Jesus riding into Jerusalem on a dinosaur.
NTM, what educational purpose does seeing Santa Claus serve the students anyway? I'm not anti-Christmas, I just don't see the point; if I were a parent there, I'd complain too. Isn't there a science or history center or a state park they can take the kids on a field trip to where they can actually learn something? I think they'd learn more going to a wax museum.
NTM, what educational purpose does seeing Santa Claus serve the students anyway? I'm not anti-Christmas, I just don't see the point; if I were a parent there, I'd complain too. Isn't there a science or history center or a state park they can take the kids on a field trip to where they can actually learn something? I think they'd learn more going to a wax museum.
To your first paragraph: ugh. Again, it wasn't a religious field trip. The current Santa Claus has only nominal association to a third century monk name Nicholas. The argument that he is a religious symbol is as bad as saying a saint Bernard is a religious symbol. It's an association by name only. At best, he reminds people to be nice to each other. He is more often used for advertising to remind us to consume. There are exactly zero Christian Christmas liturgies that make use of Santa.
And your second paragraph: if you had read the article you would have known it was a writing workshop. They were to write letters to Santa and have hot chocolate for an hour or two at Christmas.
Sorry but nobody views Santa as a religious symbol. That's just silly to say. As a matter of fact the more devout Christians will remind you the "reason for the season " has zero to do with Santa Claus. Ffs
Exactly what @Happy Hands and @btbones said Santa is an American consumer Christmas symbol not a Christian one. My kids have watched Polar Express before "winter" break at their elementary school since they've been going there. I'm fairly certain this nonsense will end that tradition in the next few years, it almost did this year.
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