It's past time that conservatives start using the authority granted to them, both from the constitution and via elections to start actively pushing an agenda to counter the leftist insanity. No more of the passiveness we've grown accustomed to.
This. Conservatives need to step up and be more assertive
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It's past time that conservatives start using the authority granted to them, both from the constitution and via elections to start actively pushing an agenda to counter the leftist insanity. No more of the passiveness we've grown accustomed to.
My initial thought is that’s the way to a civil war. But the old way of trying to be steadfast and let the inertia burn out is failing in today’s world.
Like at state houses, school boards, and the capitol? How are Republicans not already doing that?
Ok, so what is stopping you then? Find a school board members house and go "charge in" or whatever. But let me ask, what is your end game? What has you guys foaming at the mouth so much now? I get the last year or so has sucked, it has sucked for liberals too, but most of the covid stuff is ending, you just won elections in VA, Rittenhouse was acquitted, so what is the end game for all of this stuff you want to do and why are you so angry to begin with?
Pssst.... Cubs79? Don't interrupt em.
Circle jerk in progress.
I just dont even understand the premise or why they think Republicans arent already stepping up and being assertive. Have they not seen some of these school board meetings? Did they not see 1/6? Do they not remember the state houses being swarmed by armed Republicans on several occasions last year? I honestly dont even really understand what Trump/Post Trump Republicans really even stand for or why they feel they are some sort of victims with no voice.
Social media has created a massive circle jerk that keeps getting nuttier and nuttier and nuttier.
If this nonsense keeps going, it will eventually tear down our country from the inside.
Yeah, I think is the product of social media, which is concerning, because I dont know how we fix that. But when you have someone like MTG calling Republicans traitors because they supported an infrastructure bill, then where do we go from here? If supporting infrastructure is treasonous, then how in the world is this country supposed to come together to get anything done? Infrastructure should be one of the basic functions of government. Even if you dont agree with everything in the bill, there is nothing treasonous about it.
I hope I am wrong, but I think we are getting to a point where we just need to realize this countries best days might be behind us, and I do think social media is the driving factor behind it.
It’s blatantly obvious that you don’t understand how anyone center or right can feel disenfranchised. Especially Trump supporters. You were in support of most of the counter-Trump actions of 2016 - 2020 and you agreed with all of the nonstop propaganda in the media and from politicians that was anti-Trump. After 4 full years of actively denigrating Trump supporters as all kinds of stupid or evil, you now say that you can’t understand how they feel disenfranchised. Truth is, you don’t want to see it.
What you are talking about is basic politics and media, whether that is a good thing or not. Everything you said can be applied to how conservative media and what not treats Democrats too, just read this board about pedophilia, and commies, etc etc.
That also isnt really what I am talking about. I am asking for specifics. What is it that Republicans want and what is it that they stand for? I know what the Republican party stood for when it was more Reagan Republicans, but those days are over. Liz Cheney is one of, if not the, most Reaganesque members of the party, and she might as well just not be in the party at this point. There has been a transformation since Trump became the leader of the party, I dont really think you can argue against that, but I dont know the specifics on what they are wanting, other than a border wall of course. So telling me they are feeling disenfranchised doesnt tell me why they are feeling that way, or what they think the Republican party is going to do for them. That is what I am asking.
I answered your question about why they think they’re victims. You’re going to have to ask a Trump Republican what they want. I would hope it’s smaller government, empowering individuals, limiting foreign entanglements, tough on trade imbalances, etc. IOW, more traditional conservative values. But I really don’t know.
Which is my point, I dont think most people know. It is ok to be angry, but if that anger has no direction, then how are we going to fix the things people are angry about? This thread is wanting Republicans to be more assertive. I dont understand why they think Republicans arent assertive to begin with, they are. But I really dont understand what they are trying to win by being more assertive. And that is a problem. If there are no goals to strive for, then just being angry isnt going to change anything.
I get what you’re saying an you have a point. They know what they stand for. The GOP is crap at messaging, even when it’s not infighting.
I’ve said this before. The reason Republicans want their leaders to be more assertive is because they feel like they’ve been getting their asses kicked in the public space for decades by Democrats that have been in the win at all costs mode for decades while simultaneously trying to claim moral superiority. The GOP just sits there and takes it. Trump, for all of his assholery, fought the Democrats with their own methods. He captured a good part of the public conversation and he didn’t give up. He was about winning, not compromise. So he appeals to Republicans that have been frustrated that compromise meant voting with all of the Democrats so they got what they wanted.
That’s why Liz Cheney is getting such flack. It’s not her values. It’s that she failed in her RNC seat and she isn’t fighting for things that inspire Republicans to vote. Because her value votes mean nothing when Republicans have the minority when Democrats all line up on the important votes the way they have for years.
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I dont really agree with your second paragraph. Politics is obviously a dirty game, but I have always thought, at least in modern times, that Republicans are much more vicious than Democrats. Remember The Bush campaign spreading rumors before the SC primary that McCain had an affair with a black woman and that his youngest daughter is the product of that affair. In reality, she is adopted from Indonesia. That is pretty dirty stuff if you ask me. And by all means, Democrats do some of that stuff too, I get it, but I dont know where this idea comes from that Republicans arent win at all cost. They are.
But this still goes back to what is the end game. If Trump runs in 2024, and wins, what is it that his supporters think he is going to change, and why didnt change it last time? He had the house and senate for 2 of his 4 years and the only thing he really did was pass tax cuts, which any Republican would have done.
I understand people are angry, and I get a lot of it is justified. And honestly, if we would get past the pettiness, I think a lot of the angry people are actually on the same page with a lot of things, certainly when it comes to jobs and wages and things of that nature. They just cant get past partisan politics and realize it.
ETA: I dont agreed with your first paragraph either. I think Republicans are great at messaging, I think it is the Democrats who are terrible at messaging. If you look at the VA races we just had, it was all about CRT and all the Republicans were on that messaging. Compare that with Democrats and how defund the police got attached to Democrats, even Biden, despite the fact Biden was never for defunding the police and the vast majority of Democrats werent either. But because of poor messaging, it was still attached to them. IN fact, Biden has actually increased police funding, but I highly doubt most Republican voters are even aware of that.
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IOW, it’s 2 sides of the same coin. Except that they’re tearing us apart in the middle.
Why are you guys so infatuated with masturbating?
I find myself on the spectrum between conservative and libertarian. I think Thomas Jefferson and James Madison had it right in terms of the purpose of government. I believe strongly in individual liberty . I am a live and let live person . I don't have to like you or agree with you or your life choices . That's on you. I believe in freedom for you and I believe I am also free from you .
I have given up on social media largely. We need more speech not less. we need more ideas not fewer . social media is a leftist echo chamber where diversity only counts for looks, group think and sexuality. Diversity of ideas and opinions on how to solve problems and issues are not welcome there any longer.
So, in my opinion the Republican party sirrevers every time and makes poor political choices . Both parties put party over country and Constitution. Progressives fight tooth abd nail and have the media and social media behind them. Republicans just want to be liked. very few make cogent arguments for individual liberty or economic freedom with smaller governance. You know liberty and free market ideas are not a race based thing, they are universal concepts . Minorities need to be pitched the ideas of smaller taxes , economic opportunity through education and trade schools and the rule of law The Bill of Rights are the core beliefs in which as Americans we should all embrace . Those are America.
Republicans suck because they surrender the cities . How many poor communities have a legitimate conservative candidate pitch their ideas during elections? Very few .
Lastly , the infrastructure bill is bull crap. I spent 14 years in the urban and environmental planning field . I worked for an MPO transportation planning group for a few years . I did GIS analysis and bike led planning. we use to pass a transportation planning bill every 7 years on allocating federal gas taxes. They were largely single issue bills and drew upon the federal gas taxes for their funding. however, both parties obliterated the trust fund and thus so called infrastructure bill spends money on social bull crap and not just transportation. Plus it raises taxes ..So, guess what I am all for infrastructure spending but I am not for all the social justice garbage tagged onto it . I am not for adding $500 billion to the debt and I am not for obligating my kids and one day grand kids to pay for it.. Y'all on the left toss stuff out like why do you hate infrastructure, who is against that ? Most people aren't , they are against bloating up these bills with stuff and hiding increases in taxes and such . Its the lack of clarity. I for one want to see a Constitutional amendment calling for single issue bills and bills that are over 500 pages need like a week of extra time for every 100 pages you add to the bills language..No more if you want to know what's in it you got to pass it garbage . This has to stop. its my country too and we all should have input and debate on what and how we spend tax money on.
I don't care if you're Democrat or Republican or Independent ,you should agree that process is screwed up . we the people are being hosed over here by 532 elitist people in two private clubs . Political parties are private clubs and our government is run by two private clubs .The Constitution makes no provision for the government to be run and operated by two private entities. I for one hate the political parties and they are destroying our nation.
If Republicans actually stood up and fought for individual liberty, free markets, the Bill of Rights and economic liberty ,well I would stand up and fight too. They don't ..So, I don't give a crap about most of them . They are feckless . They have no courage or stand on principles at all.
Here’s the thing. You guys are literally arguing with the absolute dregs of humanity. People like CrazyAhole, Knighttime, UCFBS, and Bostonknight are absolutely some of the biggest losers and pathetic humans. If you actually met them in person, you would kick yourself for wasting so much conversation with them on here. That’s why we constantly discredit them. I have actually met or seen 2 of them and I’m sure that the other 2 are even more patheticPssst.... Cubs79? Don't interrupt em.
Circle jerk in progress.
I thought I'd never say this, but ...
Conservatives are the classic Liberals now. The arguments Conservatives make, while self-serving at times, are straight out of Libertarian textbooks more and more, as the Progressives utterly throw out not just 'Common Sense,' as Bill Mahr has pointed out, but literally refuse to believe fact.
Facebook is banning everyone who doesn't believe Rittenhouse was a mass shooter, especially anyone who is a lawyer pointing out how he didn't bring an AR15 across state lines and how no one he shot was African-American. We are at the point that facts don't matter, and they will even be banned.
