Do u think networks should have run it? Wanted to add many things he said were wrong. But should it be censored?
Thoughts on Trump Press conference. Many networks switched away.
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Do u think networks should have run it? Wanted to add many things he said were wrong. But should it be censored?
I am not watching 46 minutes of that shit. Cliffs?
Every day that passes, Trump and his followers become more anti-American. His actions are treason, and should not be seen by Americans
Basically, Election was stolen. Dead people Ilegal aliens, Ilegal voting machines All u already heard.
Oh, so nothing new and more fake bull shit?
Yes. according to his DOJ and courts. Should it be censored? Even if All were lies.
Censored? No.
But, perhaps we should think about holding elected officials, and those running for political office, responsible for spreading known falsehoods.
Choosing not to cover something live does not equal censorship. Adding tags/fact checks against something is not censorship. No one is arresting Trump for his views. No one is purging the internet of all traces of the speech.
This is a really complicated problem. In my opinion, the 1st Amendment has been weaponized against us democracy. It's brilliant if you think about it.
I'd rather live in a country where the media can choose what to broadcast as opposed to one that is forced to cover the president no matter what.
I think this is a fascinating argument. See I value expertise. Most farmers are Republicans. Most librarians are democrats. If I need an expert at farming, I'm more likely to end up dealing with a Republican. If I need an expert on books, I'm more likely to deal with a Democrat. So what?
If most of the people doing legitimate fact checking lean left, that doesn't devalue fact-checking. Perhaps it means left-leaning people tend to care more about truth. Perhaps it means there's a broader need for fact-checking right-wing sources in today's environment. Perhaps it means fact-checking tends to bread in culturally liberal environments. Whatever the case, those are still the people dedicating themselves to researching and sorting signal from noise.
Had someone on FB tell me Nature (the science journal) wasn't credible because of it's left slant. So I asked him what right-leaning science journals I can look to for balance. He acknowledged that right-leaning science journals don't exist. What's the end game here? To devalue expertise. Why? So con-artists can sell you snake oil and when the expert says "woah that's just snake oil" you can say "Fake news!" without having to even ponder the possibility you're wrong.
Don't even acknowledge the message, just go straight to the messenger. Its the Republican way.
Also, there was another group of people in the 1930s and 1940s who had serious issues with free press, fact checking, education and the arts... Those things tend to get in the way of an onslaught of propaganda.
I listened to a really interesting radio program a few weeks ago related to this. It was a comparison between Trump supporters and early agnostics. The gist was that during the beginnings of agnosticism many of the leaders were considered to be divine and held their positions as experts on God. By believing that man couldn't truly ever comprehend God, and that God was inherently unknowable, they devalued the position of religious experts.
Trump supporters are similar in that by devaluing experts, they can then believe in whatever "truths" they choose regardless of facts and science.
interesting post, RobUCF. We’ve certainly seen the devaluation of experts here on the WC.
As a fiscal conservative and a social liberal, I may not always agree with extremists on either side, but I can usually understand where they’re coming from. But the populism we’ve seen surface with Trump with its ‘Screw the experts’ focus is hard to understand. It’s like “hell yeah, I want a know-nothing dumbshit in the White House just like me!!!”
You keep talking about these doctors throwing massive 30-50 person parties. Not only is it weird but it's just irresponsible, regardless of how one might feel ab how this has been politicized.
No. It proves that he is correct: this whole thing is a hoax and all democrats are communist hypocrites.
If you voted for Trump once, you're an idiot.
If you voted for Trump twice, you're an idiot and you are morally reprehensible.
If you still support Trump, you are an idiot, morally reprehensible, and have been completely brainwashed by an anti-american cult.
"Deplorables" was just the start. These people are just complete shitstains.
In Dr. Knigthttime's little brain, it's just a risk of getting the sniffles and there is no real danger. I also 100% think he's full of shit with these "parties."
But let's assume he's telling the truth: as you said, it's irresponsible. I know, I know, Dr. Knighttime, it's just the sniffles and only old people die. It's really amazing to me how callous and reprehensible a statement like that is. I have older parents. I would like to think they could live a few more years and continue to enjoy their grandchildren. Why don't older lives matter? I know I know, they should hole up for 2 years because you're too fukcing selfish to care two shits.
Oh, I know, I know, it's just people who were already sick. Not true past a certain age threshold at all. Oh, I know, I know--it's just kind of a bad flu. Oh, I know I know, masks don't work. Oh I know, I know, there are equally as stupid and irresponsible assholes on the left who say one thing and do another. Oh I know, I know: you have unlimited red herrings and strawmen and myriad logical fallacies in your arsenal. You are cheap entertainment at best.
Good stuff.
I think historically, we'll look back on this era as a sort of anti-enlightenment. An era where disinformation undermined expertise and reason.
Unfortunately, I fear you may be right on that one.
Yesterday, more people died of "the sniffles" than died on 9/11
But to these cult members admitting that fact means that their god emperor isn't perfect. So they rationalize it away and make up excuses. Meanwhile the US is experiencing the worst pandemic in the history of our country.
When do we start calling out these treasonous sacks of shit for what they are? This is no longer a simple difference of political opinions.
Sorry but the chuds can't debate why the commie States with highest restrictions are seeing no difference from non commie States. Masks aren't working.
Masks Are Neither Effective Nor Safe: A Summary Of The Science - WorldHealth.net
This article was originally posted by Colleen Huber, NMD on PRIMARYDOCTOR.org on July 6, 2020, it presents some interesting fact-based points in contradiction of what is now commonplace rhetoric being perpetuated by mainstream media, and it creates another avenue of discussion of resources that...worldhealth.net
The article you posted is from July 6th. There's a good reason public health experts didn't push masks early on and it has alot to do with the data you referenced in that article. Conventional wisdom - pre-covid - was that widespread masking would not be effective for a flu-like virus.
Now, with months worth of data from places all over the world, a better understanding of how the virus spreads, and laboratory testing of how effective (or not) masking is at limiting the volume of micro-droplets escaping into an air-space, there is very compelling evidence that masking provides reasonable benefit at very low cost.
We have excellent data that the IFR of COVID is lower today than it was early on. There's a variety of reasons that could drive that, but masking might actually be a contributor. Why? Exposing people to a lower dose of the virus than they may have received without masking.
Research using hamsters with surgical mask barriers between airflow cage-to-cage showed no only a reduction in transmission, but a reduction in case severity for those who were infected.
More people have died from covid in just the past two days than died in 9/11. But I'm sure I'll be told that is not 'the reality' in most areas or other such nonsense.
From COVID.
Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19
Figures present excess deaths associated with COVID-19 at the national and state levels.
www.cdc.gov
Trump causes brain cancer.
You’re cherry picking a bit. Controlled studies examining just the mask material in perfect conditions correlate with the study you present. But studies in the real world have had a much greater variety of results. Human behavior and mask saturation are real issues that cannot simply be controlled away. Yet you take those overly controlled studies as gospel and then chastise anyone who expresses doubts. Telling people they’re crazy and then presenting an argument based on an oversimplification of the problem is not the best way to win them over to your side.
Windmills cause ear cancer.
I don't think me saying "there is very compelling evidence that masking provides reasonable benefit at very low cost" is really all that unreasonable. This isn't a binary "masks work or they don't" question. It's a matter of (1) how well they work in (2) what conditions and (3) at what cost?
You have to make policy decisions with limited information available. You don't have perfect knowledge and yes - the data isn't conclusive. Even studies that show widespread masking work I have trouble taking at face value because I don't know how you can actually isolate masking as an independent variable (vs people simply changing behavior as case counts rise).
Masking is one tool. It's cheap and doesn't cause any economic consequence. It's all upside and no downside.
I'm saying that you're cherry picking the studies that control out real-world conditions and then presenting only that evidence as "compelling." The real world studies of the effects of masks used by human beings aren't nearly as compelling. Some say no effect, some site populations with mask usage with lower incidence but don't account for other behavioral characteristics, some show that people engage in riskier behavior thus making the masks more dangerous than non-masking. In totality, the efficacy of masks in the real human population under real life, non-medical behavioral circumstances is still not well understood.
I think 2 or 3 months ago I would have generally agreed with what you said here. I'd recommend you flip through the latest CDC slide deck on masking. I'm not aware of credible data being currently put out that argues widespread masking to have no effect for this virus. So while I agree it's not well understood, it is understood well enough to make a binary decision based on potential benefit vs cost.
It's so cute seeing people think they can use facts from scientists to change these peoples minds.
I was like you for the first 3 years of Trumps presidency. It took me awhile too, but then I realized that these MAGA cult members don't base their reality on facts and logic, so you can't change their minds with facts and logic.
So how long do we all have to wear masks in an ideal situation, where everybody uses them religiously?
Thank you for this. I've read some of the studies and found them overly restricted but I'm guessing there's enough other out there for this conclusion. A number of those things presented in the slides (such as the events and flights) are anecdotal and they don't present the alternative. How many flights and events had similar number with no masking or how bad were the no-masked events and flights. Regardless, the most important part for policy is this:
"Universal masking policies can help avert the need for shutdowns – Especially if combined with other non-pharmaceutical interventions such as social distancing, hand hygiene, and adequate ventilation "
Of course, part of the issue is that you're seeing data, such as on the CMU Delphi project site, that shows that the majority of Americans are masking and doing so at high levels. The data also shows that there is a wide discrepancy in infection rate even among those communities.
In any case, my original point was that it's not way-out crazy to question the efficacy of masking. I haven't changed my opinion based on what I've seen.
For the record, I wear my mask in public and maintain social distancing and limit my external interactions.
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