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Thousands of early absentee ballots for Jeb already cast in Florida

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Over 850,000 absentee ballots had been requested by Florida Voters (both parties) for this primary election and ballots have been arriving for over the past month...tens of thousands which were already mailed prior to Jeb dropping out of the race....and election/party officials noted thousands were most likely cast for Bush.

Now Jeb's name is still on the official ballot at the voting precinct, along with others who are no longer in the running:

O'Malley
Christie
Fiorina
Gilmore
Graham
Huckabee
Santorum
 
So you are in favor of disenfranchising the tens of thousands of armed services personnel stationed across the globe? The ballots have to be printed in time to mail those out to Afghanistan and then get them back. Everyone must have the same ballot. #$%6 happens. If you aren't smart enough to know who is running and who has dropped out, then your vote deserves to be counted as an overvote and count for nil.
 
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HuffyCane said:
So you are in favor of disenfranchising the tens of thousands of armed services personnel stationed across the globe? The ballots have to be printed in time to mail those out to Afghanistan and then get them back. Everyone must have the same ballot. #$%6 happens. If you aren't smart enough to know who is running and who has dropped out, then your vote deserves to be counted as an overvote and count for nil.
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Sure...that's what I meant....not.

Time to take another jump.

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Hint: Point was to show the volatility of a primary presidential election...especially if your state is not in the initial 1-3 states voting.

Also, a super majority of absentee ballots aren't even for the military...its mostly for those that normally work on election day and get to the polls and/or those that don't want to vote on weekends/off days during early voting.
 
CommuterBob said:
So? They're printed months in advance and those people had qualified to be listed in the primary. If they get votes, oh well.
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Its been a somewhat hot topic over the weekend on multiple shows on how Rubio especially, would have benefited from those early Bush votes...which might help Trump chances at winning Florida...where all delegates go to the winner (not proportional like some other states do).

That's all.
 
Knight_Light said:
Also, a super majority of absentee ballots aren't even for the military...its mostly for those that normally work on election day and get to the polls and/or those that don't want to vote on weekends/off days during early voting.
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Or for people that are smart enough to realize that the cost of a stamp beats the hell out of waiting in line for hours at a time.
 
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Knight_Light said:
Over 850,000 absentee ballots had been requested by Florida Voters (both parties) for this primary election and ballots have been arriving for over the past month...tens of thousands which were already mailed prior to Jeb dropping out of the race....and election/party officials noted thousands were most likely cast for Bush.

Now Jeb's name is still on the official ballot at the voting precinct, along with others who are no longer in the running:

O'Malley
Christie
Fiorina
Gilmore
Graham
Huckabee
Santorum
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not much they can do about military absentee but it can't be that difficult to print out updated ballots with only the 4 remaining candidates

amazing how antiquated voting still is in a lot of states with the technology available
 
cnsaguy said:
Or for people that are smart enough to realize that the cost of a stamp beats the hell out of waiting in line for hours at a time.
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Hours? When on errands Sat AM...I walked into an early voting location on my way to the store...no line...signed my card...got a ballot...made my one circle/vote...put it in the machine...got my "I voted" sticker and I was on my way.
 
Poolside Knight said:
not much they can do about military absentee but it can't be that difficult to print out updated ballots with only the 4 remaining candidates

amazing how antiquated voting still is in a lot of states with the technology available
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Its not the state or even the precinct to decide who is or who isn't still in the race...as long as one qualifies to be on the ballot...they will be on the ballot...and once the full ballot is approved by the Supervisor of Elections, no changes can be made (either for absentee or live in-person voting).

Thats why you hear of some small town (or I think in one past state wide election in Mizzouri) "dead" people end up winning a few elections.
 
Knight_Light said:
Sure...that's what I meant....not.

Time to take another jump.

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Hint: Point was to show the volatility of a primary presidential election...especially if your state is not in the initial 1-3 states voting.

Also, a super majority of absentee ballots aren't even for the military...its mostly for those that normally work on election day and get to the polls and/or those that don't want to vote on weekends/off days during early voting.
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If your post was more clear, less people would jump to conclusions. If you knew as much about election procedures that you think you do, you wouldn't post at all. Which is why I accused you of wanting to disenfranchise overseas ballot holders.

Because of problems with various democratic administrations (and postal officials) making it unreasonably difficult for ballots to be circulated to military voters and their families, who traditionally vote pro-Republican and anti-postal union, federal law now requires states to circulate ballots in federal elections no later than 45 days prior to the election. (Thanks Obama, and I actually mean that, the legislation had stalled for twenty years, but he wanted the African-American military vote for reelection so the law finally got signed)

In a county like Dade, the printing of ballots can take a week or longer. The reprinting of ballots of a million or more ballots as suggested above is cost-prohibitive. The use of electronic balloting is prohibited by law because of Democratic protests after the 2000 election. All of that is irrelevant, because a) for legal due process protections contained in both state and federal law, every ballot in the county must be standard, and 2) if Jeb won, even if he had dropped out, he would still control the delegates in this particular race. He can pledge them to whomever or the delegates can vote for whomever after the first ballot.

So to recap:

1. Military Absentees have to go out 45 days before an election. If you wanted to change the ballot after each major primary, we are talking at least 52 days roughly between primaries to comply with federal and state law. It would take years to elect a president under that system.

2. Absentee ballots to domestic electors must be mailed no sooner than 35 and no later than 28 days prior to the election. The voting mail out is staggered in part to allow cash strapped elections officials to handle printing, mailing, and administration in phases. Everyone wants elections to be perfect. They don't realize how expensive they are and how time consuming it is. If you want three times as many people working on election day (and consequently three times as many people doing nothing the rest of the year), then making every deadline the same is a good idea. If you don't, staggering them is a good idea.

3. Knight_Light posts about things he has only a thin knowledge about, then gets pissy when people call him on it.
 
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Knight_Light said:
Its been a somewhat hot topic over the weekend on multiple shows on how Rubio especially, would have benefited from those early Bush votes...which might help Trump chances at winning Florida...where all delegates go to the winner (not proportional like some other states do).

That's all.
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If Rubio were a legitimate candidate, he would not be worried about losing in his home state by such a small margin as the couple thousand or so returned absentees before South Carolina. In addition, Rubio's leadership PAC could buy the date of the primary change through the legislature if they wanted and had the election in April or May. Sore loser crap, iyam.
 
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cnsaguy said:
Stop picking on KL, he took Civics in 8th grade
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Yeah, I probably slammed the door a little hard there. It just irks me the way right wing radio jerks peoples chains for their own purposes. They know better, but they put that crap out there as entertainment because they know smart people without any particular knowledge or experience will believe it because it sounds on the surface like its a problem that could be fixed and hasn't been.
 
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there are reports on early voting exit polling that has Rubio leading Trump. 1/5 of available registered voters already cast
 
HuffyCane said:
It just irks me the way right wing radio jerks peoples chains for their own purposes. .
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Then just respond to them directly...and not rant about it in this thread.

Wasn't "right wing radio" a thing from the early 90's?
 
Knight_Light said:
Hours? When on errands Sat AM...I walked into an early voting location on my way to the store...no line...signed my card...got a ballot...made my one circle/vote...put it in the machine...got my "I voted" sticker and I was on my way.
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At our precinct I rarely take more than 10 minutes to vote. Usually go before 10 AM. no lines no fuss. I did early voting one time because we were leaving town for a few days. Took 2 hours, Won't ever do that again.
 
goodknightfl said:
At our precinct I rarely take more than 10 minutes to vote. Usually go before 10 AM. no lines no fuss. I did early voting one time because we were leaving town for a few days. Took 2 hours, Won't ever do that again.
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It's nice to be white isn't it*?
 
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This "water company" guy won Michigan, Mississippi and Hawaii last night.

After the tens of millions of $$$ the GOP establishment thru on airwaves over the past week, and even wheeled out their 2012 Candidate Romney to bash Trump....voters still didn't listen to them.

GOP Establishment is throwing a ton of $$$ on airwaves in FL and OH...trying to stop the Trump train, as those 2 large delegate states might be their best chance to stop him.

Voters for GOP still showing up in record numbers at the polls while in many states, Dem voting numbers in many states are down by 30% or more.

Here's a look back at the total votes cast in the last 3 GOP Primaries for Mississippi and Michigan:

Mississippi
2008: 136,527 (McCain won by winning 113,074 votes)
2012: 294,112 (Santorum won by winning 96,258 votes)
2016: 403,944 (Trump won by winning 191,261 votes...even more than Hillary got by winning 82.6% of the Dem vote)

Michigan
2008: 869,161 (Romney won with 338,316 votes)
2012: 996,499 (Romney won with 409,522 votes)
2016: 1,318,297 (Trump won with 481,296 votes)

Here's a look back at the last 2 GOP Primaries in FL:
2008: 1,949,498 (McCain won with 701,761 votes)
2012: 1,672,634 (Romney won with 776,151 votes)
 
Knight_Light said:
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This "water company" guy won Michigan, Mississippi and Hawaii last night.

After the tens of millions of $$$ the GOP establishment thru on airwaves over the past week, and even wheeled out their 2012 Candidate Romney to bash Trump....voters still didn't listen to them.

GOP Establishment is throwing a ton of $$$ on airwaves in FL and OH...trying to stop the Trump train, as those 2 large delegate states might be their best chance to stop him.

Voters for GOP still showing up in record numbers at the polls while in many states, Dem voting numbers in many states are down by 30% or more.

Here's a look back at the total votes cast in the last 3 GOP Primaries for Mississippi and Michigan:

Mississippi
2008: 136,527 (McCain won by winning 113,074 votes)
2012: 294,112 (Santorum won by winning 96,258 votes)
2016: 403,944 (Trump won by winning 191,261 votes...even more than Hillary got by winning 82.6% of the Dem vote)

Michigan
2008: 869,161 (Romney won with 338,316 votes)
2012: 996,499 (Romney won with 409,522 votes)
2016: 1,318,297 (Trump won with 481,296 votes)

Here's a look back at the last 2 GOP Primaries in FL:
2008: 1,949,498 (McCain won with 701,761 votes)
2012: 1,672,634 (Romney won with 776,151 votes)
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That ice looks like straight up water.
 
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Meanwhile...Rubio campaign rents out football stadium in Miami for rally, yet barely anyone showed up. It seems the rails are coming off...and he will need a haymaker during the debate tonight (one that most people won't even watch).



Here's the view the Marco campaign wanted everyone to see.

 
Miami is bad at attendance at everything & it was on 5pm on a Wednesday.

He had good crowds in Tampa and Sanford a few days ago. By the way Cruz had smaller crowds than Rubio in States he won
 
Knight_Light said:
Meanwhile...Rubio campaign rents out football stadium in Miami for rally, yet barely anyone showed up. It seems the rails are coming off...and he will need a haymaker during the debate tonight (one that most people won't even watch).

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Here's the view the Marco campaign wanted everyone to see.

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Remember when UCF rented out the Citrus Bowl for its Spring Game and there would only be about 2000 people there? Omigosh, barely anyone showed up. How embarrassing.

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