Thursday night SMU at Houston 8:00 PM ESPN2
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Didn't Houston fire their last Coach who had a winning record? They made a good hire
Ward is fun to watch. His release looks effortless
Ward is fun to watch. His release looks effortless
Greg ward looks $. He is going to torch us, with his arm and feet. He reminds me a lot of freshman jeff godfrey.
Tony levine. He got canned with an overall 21-17 record. Best conference record under him was 5-3. You don't show up and at least compete for conference titles pretty rdgularly, you should get canned.
OT: big shocker....randy edsell canned after five pitiful years of both overall and conference records. Must be nice for him, though. They extended him in june through 2019. I wonder if they still have to pay him out each year, plus pay whatever is needed for the new coach. Must be nice to be getting those 25-30 million dollar checks each year and just not even have a problem pissing away a couple million of it each year.
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and the media had fun w that
Tony Levine's reign. 2012 - 5-7, 2013 - 8-5, 2014 - 8-5. I know there would be upset fans on this board if that was done to GOL. The boards would be lit up with - He wasnt given a chance. Im for the five year plan. The excuses would last for years. In GOLs first three years they didnt win the conference title, but you go ahead and support the Cougar's decision to fire him.
If anything, the new coach has taken his or Sumlin's talent and have them at 5-0.
Now i can understand why firm and cmonty wanted him gone even after a decent season. We can hire a coach who can carry GOLs recruits to a better season.
Sure the season is still young, but with Houston playing Tulane, our team and Vandy, they can be undefeated before their showdown with Memphis - who could possibly be undefeated too....p5 like atmosphere at a fraction of the revenue.
...and poor UCF as usual is nowhere to be found during times like these.
Almost all of the current players are Levine's recruits. There's almost none of Sumlin's players left.
Levine was mainly fired because of losses to Tulane, UTSA and Texas State plus the dwindling attendance. You can't be mediocre and expect to keep a job.
Then you beat Pittsburgh in a bowl. Yeah i understand. My point is the fans on this board wouldve been livid if this happened to GOL on his third year.
That will be GOL undoing. Attendance. Enjoy crowds of 15,000 for the rest of the season.
Ummm ... if GoL went 3+ seasons, and finished no better than 5-3 in conference, even if he was over 0.500, we'd can him. I don't know any alleged "nuthugger" who wouldn't.
But you cannot fire coaches after 3-5 games ... when they've had conference winning seasons in the immediately prior years.
GOL first three seasons - 0-11, 8-5, 4-8.
Tony Levine - 5-7, 8-5, 7-5
Levine had a better overall record but GOL gets to stay for 12 years because of his resume scandal.
Tony Levine - 5-7, 8-5, 7-5
Levine had a better overall record but GOL gets to stay for 12 years because of his resume scandal.
Why does every thread have to be a fire O'leary one? Geez. People grow up and get over it...or keep it on one thread so I can ignore it. thanks.
SMU-Houston game was a score fest. They don't play Defense in Texas obviously!
SMU-Houston game was a score fest. They don't play Defense in Texas obviously!
What would you rather we talk about? And what does expressing displeasure with a proven, consistent pattern of mediocrity have to do with growing up?
I'd rather you stick with the thread title. but, I guess there is no rule not to hijack a thread. So, keep on, keeping on. Have a great day!
Have a great day too!!!!!
... but you only answered my first question. Can you answer my second question about expressing displeasure with a proven, consistent pattern of mediocrity being labeled as needing to grow up?
Sure can. Immature people, especially babies, cry and whine consistently over and over again to the point where other people get annoyed by it. Mature people, people that are grown up, may cry once or twice, maybe express their displeasure at points where it is appropriate, however, they don't do it all over the place. Babies cry all the time and everywhere. Grown ups don't. Is that good enough or should I elaborate more?
You still fail to acknowledge the pattern of mediocrity our coach has had throughout his tenure here. By denying the obvious, you see the facts being brought up against your erroneous truth as whining or crying or being a baby. You haven't answered anything other than the fact that you might: a) embrace and support mediocrity or b) refuse reality.
If we had a coach that had a consistent pattern of delivering success, nobody here would have anything negative to talk about. I guess the matrix has you.
But go ahead: keep saying babies, yo-yos, rah-rah, O'Leary and all that good stuff.
More examples are always needed to drive home the point of how bad our program is right now.
So how was that SMU Houston game last night? You guys watch it?
I think UCF sucks right now in football. Where have I said anything different? I think you have me confused with someone else. But, whatever. Later, happy weekend! Go knights.
I think UCF sucks right now in football. Where have I said anything different? I think you have me confused with someone else. But, whatever. Later, happy weekend! Go knights.
Yeah i watched about a little over a half of it. Why do you think im complaining about our program?
I think the difference is you dont want him fired. The GOL media arm doesnt him fired. Bianchi doesnt want him fired. Heck Knightlinepodcast doesnt want him fired. The only place you'll get fireGOL support is the free boards and maybe some people in the Dungeon and thats it. I think its safe there's lots of discussion going on from the huggers, the lets fix but not fire GOL or the fire Key crowd. There isn't enough discussion about firing him though. There isnt enough examples to send the message home. So what better way to forward out message than to comment how our program stinks compared to two conference teams playing each other. The huggers need current examples to be thrown in their face about how hugging on to GOL is only going to hurt our program more.
Let me ask you this when it boils down to it. Are you a hugger of our coach or are you a hugger of our program? If its one or the other i choose our program. #thanksgolbutletsfirehim
Didn't watch, actually. Star Wars Battlefront BETA came out and #priorities
Happy weekend too, dude!!! Charge on!!!
Gol was handed a pile if shit and a team that was just moving from the MAC to CUSA. Levine was handed a team that had gone 8-5, 10-4, 5-7 and 12-1, including playing in two CUSA title games. Notice that Sumlin had similar seasons to UCF from 2009 to 2012 and that garned him being hired by Texas A&M, who obviously thought he did a good job with the talent he had. Prior to Sumlin, Art Briles was thier coach and the previous two seasons they went 10-4 and 8-4, including winning a division and conference title. Briles was 16-20 in his first three seasons (7-6, 3-8 and 6-6; best conference record was 4-4; lost all four bowl games they played during his tenure). Both Sumlin and Levine were handed programs in good shape. Note that Levine sucked. We may be in the same boat if the next coach doesn't work out. The comparison isn't even on the same planet. I gave gol 3-4 years to make us into a program because we weren't a football program prior to his hire. The school had not made the necessary commitments. We were just a school with a football team. This team doesn't turn it around next year, it will be time to move on. We gotta see at least 7-8 wins next season, including 5 or more wins in conference.
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#livesinthepastBet you he would not have been fired if he had one of these in the last two years
Someone broke it down better than I can in an earlier thread, but that 2004 team had some guys who went on to have pretty accomplished NFL careers or at least got on the field in the NFL. Matt Prater, Brandon Marshall, Josh Sitton, Atari Bigby, Mike Sims-Walker, Leger Douzable, Paul Carrington. It's kind of astonishing that anyone could lose every game with that talent. Certainly not a "pile of shit."
Bet you he would not have been fired if he had one of these in the last two years
So if he went 3-8 in 2004 would we still all be talking about this? The answer is "yes". 0-11, or 3-8 we sucked. If we would have beat fiu and furman by two points each would that really matter? The answer is "no" because we would still suck this year. I wouldn't be any more or less riled up. We just have to not suck next year because not much is probably going to change this year.
Get out of here with those stats. The catalyst for Houston's success left for the NFL, Sumlin took his entire staff, leaving Levine with little to work with. He forced his OC with high school experience to resign after the very first game of his regime. Regardless his teams showed steady improvement experiencing QB issue after another. They finally gain some momentum once they bring in Greg Ward Jr, then they decide to pull the rug from under. This is the very same argument you are trying to calm the haters down with.
Most of them were not good in 2004. Douzable played all 11 games as a true freshman. Carrington was pretty good and a junior that year. Mike Walker was a true sophmore and was spliting time between offense and defense. Brandon marshall was a junior that year and played defense. In his first two seasons he had a total of 30 receptions....not exactly jaw-dropping. In 2004 he had 8 receptions. He only broke out in 2005 when he had 74 catches. Josh sitton was a true freshman in 2004. Atari bigby was a senior but only played in 7 games because he was recovering from a broken leg...he was literally limping around the field that season. Prater was a junior in 2004 and missed the last two games due to injury. He was solid. So how were all these guys helping in 2004 again? Sure, they had talent but most were freshman or playing defense in 2004. These kids were mostly 18-19 years old, like we are this year. Freshman, unless you get high-caliber 5-star guys on a team that is already good, usually suck.
You listed seven players, which means there were 15 other guys....just starting, nevermind back-ups. How good were they? Obviously not very good.
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So what you're saying is losing a bunch of your staff, like we did, matters? Throw in an injury-riddled, young team and that's what we are. I don't see how 5-7, 8-5, and 7-5 demonstrates steady improovement? The only thing that was consistent is that he finished 3rd, 4th and 4th in conference play. Maybe in retrospect they might have pulled the plug on him a little quick but if you don't compete for conferencevtitles you should can the coach and move on. If that same scenario went on with our program I'd hope the coach would get canned as well. Three mediocre seasons in a row shouldn't get rewarded.
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What im saying is that its ok for Coach Levine to get fired although it appears he selected the right QB but wasnt given a chance to right the ship, but GOL gets unlimited passes when he suffers mediocrity or worse like this year.
There is almost zero percent chance O'Leary makes it back next season unless we go nuts and win 6 out of the next 7. As much as losing millions with a buyout kills us for much needed stadium improvements, it has to be done. I'll give O'Leary credit for conference titles, bcs win, etc though. No way a can we go 0-5 with a soft schedule and expect to keep a coach around.
Every time we've had a poor season here were the results the next season:
2005 - played for conference title
2007 - won conference title
2009 - went 8-5; 6-2 in conference play
2012 - played for conference title
So far when we've had a bad season, he rights the ship next year. We'll just have to see how we turn out next season. I don't read where anybody gives gol a pass. Many of us just don't freak out when some adversity hits. We've demonstrated on several occasions that we rebound. If we don't next year, you will find very few that think he should stay, and many on here can finally jizz in their pants, thinking a new coach automatically means we're going to go on a 20 year run of 10-win seasons.
Here's what Levine did:
Came in 3rd, 4th, and 4th place. He won nothing. Didn't compete for any hardware. He watched conference championship games on tv. Thst's all he did.
Results over time is what matters to me. I don't see a big difference between 0-12 and something like 4-8. If we were 2-3 right now with close wins over fiu and furman i don't think you'd find anybody talking us up. Bottem line is we have stunk so far thus season. Results like 9-5, 10-4, 11-3 and 13-1 mean we're solid and competing for hardware.
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Good question. Google searches didn't get me any results. Maybe it has never happened before. There are still seven games left this season as well so perhaps that isn't going to happen.
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Wrong! He came in 4th, 3rd and tied for 2nd. He was trending upwards during his regime. It wasnt good enough for Houston but facts are facts. Thats my point. We're satisfield with mediocrity but Houston isnt.
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