Trump announces tariffs on Mexico over immigration

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  1. UCFWayne

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    https://thehill.com/latino/446269-t...ariff-on-imports-from-mexico-starting-june-10

    On June 10th, the United States will impose a 5% Tariff on all goods coming into our Country from Mexico, until such time as illegal migrants coming through Mexico, and into our Country, STOP. The Tariff will gradually increase until the Illegal Immigration problem is remedied,..

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 30, 2019

    The tariff will increase by 5 percent each month until it reaches 25 percent “unless and until Mexico substantially stops the illegal inflow of aliens coming through its territory,” the president said in an unusual, 1,004-word follow-up statement distributed by the White House.
     
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    Tremendous stock market bigly loves it. So much winning. Sticking it to libtards!
     
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    This is legit dumb. And worse, it probably violates the USMCA agreement that he's trying to get ratified by Congress at this very moment. Assessing a tariff won't do anything to get inept Mexican authorities to suddenly become good at stopping illegal aliens.

    Unless this is just a way to collect $5B, stop the national emergency, and say he did get Mexico to pay for that part of the wall.
     
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    It would make me feel better if there was specifics for Mexico to take. They will never stop 100% of illegal immigration. We give away a bunch of free stuff here and Mexico doesn't. We just need harsh penalties on employers and no assistance for non us citizens.
     
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    yea its stupid and im not a fan. he really needs to have specifics in there for mexico to try and meet. otherwise this is just going to hurt the new trade deal he helped get.
     
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    Hooray more taxes
     
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    I honestly don't think Trump has any idea how tariffs work. Raising prices on American consumers, which is all this is going to do, doesn't punish Mexico.
     
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    Honestly, I think Trump wants everything made in the United States
     
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    Unless you're saying that Mexico is the only provider of those goods or there are insufficient alternatives, American consumers will react by getting goods from other countries (including the US) or by just not buying those same goods. That absolutely has an effect on Mexico. Americans may pay more for some goods but Mexicans will lose as well.

    I'm not behind these tariffs but to say they will have no effect on Mexico is incorrect. Also, it's not just asking Mexico to invest it's resources to curb illegal immigration to the US. Mexico actively supports the illegal immigration through policies and through programs, such as the when the Mexican Government published comic books that show how to illegally enter the US and, if caught, claim their inalienable rights so that even illiterate people can cross the border and leave Mexico. You can ask them to stop doing things until you're blue in the face, but at some point you have to take a different path. Not sure tariffs are right, but if not an economic penalty, what else are you going to use?
     
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    Mexico and China are 2 of our top 3 trading partners. Getting goods from other countries is no where near as easy or as cheap as you make it out to be. Our market is filled with both everyday products and disposable income products like electronics and things of that nature, that come from either Mexico or China. So no, they aren't the only provider of goods, but to replace them, especially in a short amount of time, is next to impossible. But also, we shouldn't look at this in terms of China or Mexico from a government standpoint. Companies are the ones who pay the tariffs, not the countries themselves. Walmart has already said that prices will be increasing on a lot of their products due to tariffs. Walmart, and the companies who make the products they sell, obviously can't shift their manufacturing/shipping over night to avoid tariffs. So for them, it is either don't raise prices and lower their profits, or pass the extra cost on to consumers.
     
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    This is beyond stupid. The American people will feel the brunt of this with increases to prices on goods. And worse, if American companies that do business in and with Mexico (and there are a lot of them) start getting hurt in their bottom lines...say goodbye to jobs. And no, they won’t be only Mexican jobs that are lost.
     
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    I'm as free trade as they come, but I am totally in favor of this. The only significant commodity that is going to affect will be copper, but in the last 15 years I've seen 150% fluctuations in the price of it so this is not that big of a deal to me. Mexico needs to be held accountable and this is probably the only way to get them to change their ways other than shutting off american tourism. We have to realize the affect that their immigration "policies" are having on our judicial system and how it is being overwhelmed, and of course the cost that comes with it. I see this as a short term solution that will give us long term gains much like with China.
     
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    All of that is widely understood. Your initial post stated that it would have no punitive effect on Mexico and that is incorrect. Your implication is that Mexico won't do anything and that the US has no leverage. They are already sending their foreign minister to DC to negotiate. Hopefully, as others have stated, the administration will layout a plan for Mexico to remove the tariffs. Hopefully it will include turning the migrant buses around at the checkpoints rather than letting them through Mexico unfettered, turning around caravans rather than providing police and military escort, etc. Deportations from Mexico have been up three-fold over last year but the flow of migrants is up even more markedly. Obrador ran on a platform that included decriminalization of migration and has made comments that US border security is not Mexico's problem. Which is fine but they can stop supporting and encouraging the migration. They can stop lobbying against safe refuge status and passing the refugees through to the US. There's a lot they can stop actively doing.
     
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    We will see if it has any punitive effect on Mexico, but my guess is it has little to no effect. You don't seem to be considering that Mexico could quite simply try and wait it out, because at some point, the GOP will realize how much they are pissing off every day Americans, and will have to do something to change that. You already know the Democrat attack ads for next years election season are being written about how Trump raised middle and lower class taxes.

    The other thing, is let's say you are right, and it does punish Mexico, which we will have to wait and see. It will still have to be determined if it was a "winning" strategy, because American's are going to be punished along the way.
     
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    im hopeful mexico starts to help us with this illegal immigration problem and the tarrifs are immediately pulled.
     
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    Is this going to affect Corona prices?
     
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    Mexicans could go that way. Mexico has internal pressures as well that may preclude them playing the long game on this.

    Like I said, I don’t know whether this is a good or a bad move. I’m not a fan of the simplistic “all tariffs are bad” mentality that many take nor am I a believer that trade policy is a separate and distinct area from social or sovereignty policy. I think they’re tied and it’s a complex system. Given that, I think making changes should be done deliberately and with a clear plan. This one feels rushed and risky.
     
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    Imports from Mexico include billions of dollars of cars, machinery, fuel, medical devices and many other goods. The country is also the United States’ largest supplier of agricultural imports, including cucumbers, grapes, beer, and avocados.

    The nations also share complex cross-border supply chains. Many of the products that Mexico sends to the United States, including cars and clothes, are made with parts or materials that were originally made in the United States.
     
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    i think you are right. he wants to see the us return to being a top producer of goods. it would certainly explain alot of his actions. i just dont think thats possible anymore.
     
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    Why? You still never gave a good answer as to why we need to waste billions on a wall. Now we are costing Americans even more money for what reason? Because you don't like the brown people in South O? I don't want to pull the racist card on you but thats really the only logical option that is left. The judicial thing is bullshit, "overwhelmed". How about we throw 10% of what this asinine tarif will cost us and put it towards increasing our judicial system.
     
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    Ditto. This is eveb going to alienate his base.

    Tariffs are for unfair trade practices, not this. Yes, the flow is economically unviable for us, but really don't go there Mr. President. Mexico is only a small part of that problem too.

    Still dumb in the end in my view.
     
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    So you’re not in favor of trade sanctions then?
     
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    And more jobs
     
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    Depends. But this was just the wrong move with the wrong message.
     
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    Maybe, unless UCFWayne's hope that it brings them to the table and to a quick resolution comes true.
     
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    This is dumb af. But selfishly I will benefit in my agriculture business . They send a bunch of cheap shit into the USA and hurt our sales big time . They don’t play by the same rules we do so we can’t compete on price . Not even close
     
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    Is it too soon to expect him to make a single successful deal?
     
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    I dunno about y’all but I sunk some money in today.
     
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    What about Corona Premier?
     
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    Your mom will still buy it and you'll still steal it from the fridge when she's in bed with me.
     
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    The United States imported $3.5 billion worth of beer from Mexico last year, according to the USDA. It was the top agricultural product imported from Mexico, ahead of avocados and tomatoes.

    More than two-thirds of the beer that the United States imported in 2018 came from Mexico, up from around 35% two decades ago, according to the National Beer Wholesalers Association.
     
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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...uthern-border-with-armed-forces-idUSKCN1T62YC

    Mexico meets migrants at southern border with armed forces

    Mexican soldiers, armed police and migration officials blocked hundreds of migrants after they crossed the border from Guatemala in a caravan into southern Mexico on Wednesday, and detained dozens of them, a witness from a migrant aid group and an official said.


    so maybe mexico will start to do something about this after all
     
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    Money talks :joy:
     
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    DEVELOPING STORY - MEXICO OFFERS MAJOR IMMIGRATION CONCESSIONS TO AVOID TARIFFS


    U.S. and Mexican officials are closing in on a deal that would dramatically increase Mexico’s immigration enforcement efforts and give the United States far more power to deport Central Americans seeking asylum, the Washington Post is reporting. Sources cautioned that the accord is not finalized and that President Trump might not accept it.

    The details of the plan:
    • Central Americans seeking refuge will be required to apply for asylum in the first foreign country they set foot upon after fleeing their homeland.
    • The U.S. will be allowed to immediately deport Guatemalan asylum seekers who enter the U.S. back to Mexico, and could send Honduran and Salvadoran asylum applicants to Guatemala.
    • Mexican officials have pledged to deploy up to 6,000 National Guard troops to the country’s border with Guatemala, which they say will “make immediate reductions in the number of Central Americans heading north toward the U.S. border.”
    • Mexico will to build more migrant detention centers and checkpoints to catch Central Americans and deter their passage.

    The officials from each country involved expressed confidence that the deal was attainable, and Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador said he was “optimistic” that the two sides would reach an accord.

    President Trump plans to charge a 5% tariff, increasing each month, on Mexican goods starting next week unless the country can show it will take steps to reduce the flow of migrants streaming to the U.S. border. Last month, U.S. authorities made more than 144,000 arrests along the southern border, the highest level in 13 years. Trump officials say they will only be satisfied with a return to the numbers tallied in the months after Trump was inaugurated, when arrests fell below 20,000, the lowest level in half a century.


    SOURCE: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-reports-headway-in-us-mexico-talks-on-migrants-but-renews-tariff-threat/2019/06/06/bb0801e4-8860-11e9-98c1-e945ae5db8fb_story.html
     
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    Wow- he maybe on the verge of a big victory. I didn’t even think they’d concede that much ground.
     
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    First in to say I was the first in agreeing with this tactic. Finally we have a president who isn't too scared to take a hard stand. Trump-Reagan-Truman.
     
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    Hooray! Trump solved this really important problem that he totally did not invent himself! My life is so much better now!*
     
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    He didn’t invent the problem. He just took it seriously and did something about it. Get your TDS facts straight
     
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    Does this mean that I get my Corona Premiers back for tailgating?
     
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