Trump is just misunderstood

[CommuterBob]

Here's a bit of a mea culpa on our 45th President. I still don't like him, and he does some really asinine things that irritate me, but I don't think he's really evil and out to destroy our country for his own gain. I know I've been very anti-Trump, but the MSM press really has been very unfair to him. Some of it is warranted, and some of it isn't.

Here's my take on Trump: he's an arrogant, self-centered, attention whore salesman who probably has good intentions, but he's not as smart as he claims to be and he certainly does not have as much class or as much couth as he claims to have and frequently phrases statements that get him in trouble. He loves hyperbole and superlative statements and doesn't have good mastery of language. So the MSM press just picks him apart. He tweets a lot, which also adds to his misinterpretation by the MSM press and his opponents. Bottom line - he's misunderstood, mostly because he simply doesn't communicate well (or doesn't want to). And he's too defensive - he has an issue with letting mild criticisms get his goat and he overreacts, holds grudges, and acts with vendettas. He calls it punching back, but it's neither dignified nor polite, which is what our country has come to expect from the Commander-in-Chief. He's also in constant campaign mode, which suits his background as a salesman. Hence, he keeps bringing up his political victories and holds frequent campaign stops and spends time campaigning for other candidates.

But he's not evil. He's not a monster. He's just a grumpy old man who has a hard time communicating and acting in polite society. But that doesn't make him evil.

That said, I still don't like him. I expect more from our President as a leader and policymaker than what he's delivered so far.

 

[UCFWayne]

https://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-donald-trumps-first-100-days/

The msm has had it out for him is an understatement. hes done some good and some bad, but i wouldnt say its 80% bad.

 

[CommuterBob]

For example, take this recent controversy over the call to the widow of the green beret who died in Niger. Did DJT call her? Sure. Did he intend to say something stupid and offensive like "he knew what he signed up for?" Most likely not, but he did. It got blown out of proportion by the MSM and instead of just letting it pass or apologizing and admitting he misspoke, he goes on the defensive and says more stupid stuff like "I have one of the greatest memories of all time." The whole controversy is dumb, but he definitely adds to the furor by fanning the flames through his own poor communication. But he doesn't care because yet again, he's in the spotlight. It's stupid. All of it.

 

[UCFBS]

Jimmy Carter has been warning about how the mainstream US media is treating Trump, and what's resulting. For a man who had been very critical of Trump's early policies, it was actually refreshing to see Carter finally say, basically, "Enough already!" He too is tired of the Russians non-sense as well.

 

[UCFKnight85]

For example, take this recent controversy over the call to the widow of the green beret who died in Niger. Did DJT call her? Sure. Did he intend to say something stupid and offensive like "he knew what he signed up for?" Most likely not, but he did. It got blown out of proportion by the MSM and instead of just letting it pass or apologizing and admitting he misspoke, he goes on the defensive and says more stupid stuff like "I have one of the greatest memories of all time." The whole controversy is dumb, but he definitely adds to the furor by fanning the flames through his own poor communication. But he doesn't care because yet again, he's in the spotlight. It's stupid. All of it.

Who gives a shit about his comment? The people crying over it are people who have never actually been in that position or served. I worked with tons of veterans and ex cops and they all said that it was perfectly fine to mention that since they ALL fully understand that when they enlist. He also wasn't saying it was a way of sticking it to the guy, he was simply reiterating what every single person in a combat role already knows. That he knew the job was dangerous, that he could die, but went anyways.

It's not offensive. It's only offensive to the morons who hate Trump and want to be offended by everything.

So bravo on making a post to begin claiming you're not just a raging anti Trumper. You just undid that.

 

[NinjaKnight]

Shame on you CB. If you aren't openly fellating Trump you are pretty much a terrorist. You should know better by now.

 

[UCFBS]

Shame on you CB. If you aren't openly fellating Trump you are pretty much a terrorist. You should know better by now.

Have you read some of the other commentary than what just comes over from the mainstream US media? Several people have spoken out about this already.

And here's the kicker ...

Was it Trump that caused this widow to speak out?
Or another politician who brought it up with the media?

It would have been one thing had the widow spoke out to the media first.
I would have respected that, she more than has that right.

But instead, you had a politician make this an issue in the first place.
And now the widow is forced into a situation she likely didn't want to be a part of.

I'm honestly tired of politicians and the US media going there.
But apparently only Trump is the one to blame.

Especially when things are taken out-of-context.

Of course the loss of a soldier is emotional.
The last thing politicians should do is make it political.

You, of all people, should recognize the politician who started this.
Politicians use soldiers all-the-time, and it's not just Trump.

In fact, this whole Nigerian situation actually impressed me about Trump.
But we'll see when more details come out.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

He's not misunderstood. Everyone with a brain has known what he is for two years. It's the establishment trying to save their bureaucracy and endless paychecks and benefits so they're throwing everything they have at him. Both sides of the aisle. You already have whiny babies like Corker and Flake quitting because Trump is such meany head. That Flake speech the other day was unreal. GTFO you whiny bitches. If you don't want to do your jobs and defend the people that elected you then you don't deserve to be there. Drain the swamp, I don't care what letter is behind their name.

 

[Great2BAKnight2]

For example, take this recent controversy over the call to the widow of the green beret who died in Niger. Did DJT call her? Sure. Did he intend to say something stupid and offensive like "he knew what he signed up for?" Most likely not, but he did. It got blown out of proportion by the MSM and instead of just letting it pass or apologizing and admitting he misspoke, he goes on the defensive and says more stupid stuff like "I have one of the greatest memories of all time." The whole controversy is dumb, but he definitely adds to the furor by fanning the flames through his own poor communication. But he doesn't care because yet again, he's in the spotlight. It's stupid. All of it.

I agree. Take a statement like "he knew what he signed up for". If it's taken out of context and statement was something like, "He knew what he signed up for, but he took the risk anyways. That shows his bravery." That's not derogatory at all. If there was a transcript, it'd be easier to figure out.

The media is far too critical of Trump and they don't focus on the right things. This latest "controversy" should have brought up the AUMF, why it authorizes operations in Niger, and whether the AUMF needs to be amended.

 

[mwcga]

Had to google MSM acronym:
MSM Men who have Sex with Men (health/medical)
MSM Mainstream Media

Look on the bright side, scripted speeches from Trump were still fine.

 

[NinjaKnight]

Every one who raised their right hand to take the oath knows what we signed up for. We have no problem with that, saying it to a fellow group of vets is no big deal. Saying it to a grieving wife/mother/child. No. Just no.

 

[MACHater02]

So are you all saying his tweets should be bringing him more positive coverage, and the media is just not giving him a fair shake?

The media is wrong for simply not accepting the outright lies spewed by Spicer or Huckabee-Sanders on a daily basis?

 

[reddog4720]

Here's a bit of a mea culpa on our 45th President. I still don't like him, and he does some really asinine things that irritate me, but I don't think he's really evil and out to destroy our country for his own gain. I know I've been very anti-Trump, but the MSM press really has been very unfair to him. Some of it is warranted, and some of it isn't.

Here's my take on Trump: he's an arrogant, self-centered, attention whore salesman who probably has good intentions, but he's not as smart as he claims to be and he certainly does not have as much class or as much couth as he claims to have and frequently phrases statements that get him in trouble. He loves hyperbole and superlative statements and doesn't have good mastery of language. So the MSM press just picks him apart. He tweets a lot, which also adds to his misinterpretation by the MSM press and his opponents. Bottom line - he's misunderstood, mostly because he simply doesn't communicate well (or doesn't want to). And he's too defensive - he has an issue with letting mild criticisms get his goat and he overreacts, holds grudges, and acts with vendettas. He calls it punching back, but it's neither dignified nor polite, which is what our country has come to expect from the Commander-in-Chief. He's also in constant campaign mode, which suits his background as a salesman. Hence, he keeps bringing up his political victories and holds frequent campaign stops and spends time campaigning for other candidates.

But he's not evil. He's not a monster. He's just a grumpy old man who has a hard time communicating and acting in polite society. But that doesn't make him evil.

That said, I still don't like him. I expect more from our President as a leader and policymaker than what he's delivered so far.

He's the most divisive, petty person that I've ever seen....doubled down with an amazingly large ego. All properties you don't want in a President.

He's not a very smart man. He's lived a very sheltered, privileged life in NYC. He only deals with things in generality; he never seems to understand the fine details. So I guess I can't really fault him. I just assume he doesn't know any better. He's probably only ever dealt with people that are just like him.

So while he isn't a monster or evil person by nature, his previous detriments will cause him to make monstrous and evil decisions for a large number of people.

 

[UCFWayne]

there were others that received the same call and had positive things to say about their call. however the msm didnt focus on those at all.

my problem is that they politicized their deaths and drug the families threw the mud to do so. those producers should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[CommuterBob]

there were others that received the same call and had positive things to say about their call. however the msm didnt focus on those at all.

my problem is that they politicized their deaths and drug the families threw the mud to do so. those producers should be ashamed of themselves.

Agreed. Honestly, it wasn't an appropriate comment, but it also wasn't really newsworthy either.

Another example of the MSM being unfair is them twisting DJT's words on who had the authority to conduct the raid - he said something like "I leave it to the generals to decide" but I saw it twisted into "my generals" to make it look more sinister.

 

[CommuterBob]

So are you all saying his tweets should be bringing him more positive coverage, and the media is just not giving him a fair shake?

The media is wrong for simply not accepting the outright lies spewed by Spicer or Huckabee-Sanders on a daily basis?

No. I'm saying his tweeting, which is limited to 140 characters, doesn't provide enough room for context. Yes, he lives in hyperbole, but there's usually at least SOME truth to what he posts. The problem is his opponents and the MSM press find their own context far too often.

And all press secretaries lie on a constant basis, regardless of party. They're no angels. But their sanctimonious act towards the press is doubly disingenuous for that reason. They're still lying, but they aim to discredit the press so the public doesn't believe they're lying. But that's all part of the game, too.

 

[Great2BAKnight2]

So are you all saying his tweets should be bringing him more positive coverage, and the media is just not giving him a fair shake?

The media is wrong for simply not accepting the outright lies spewed by Spicer or Huckabee-Sanders on a daily basis?

No, I don't have a problem with the media covering the tweets and expressing concern over what he says in them. My issue is that a tweet/sound bite takes over the news cycle which drowns out legitimate stories. Why didn't the death of soldiers in Niger bring up the question of the looseness of wording in the Authorization for Use of Military Force? Why didn't the media ask questions about why we were there? Instead, they got fixated on the "call" and gold star families. While the call is a story that should be reported, it's a minor story in comparison to the previous questions.

It wouldn't surprise me if at some point the Trump admin uses the media aggressiveness to their advantage to redirect attention away from something else they want to do. I.e. start working on something in foreign policy then tweet something absurd to redirect the news cycle. The administration seems too stupid and unorganized to be able to pull that off but it's certainly a possibility given the climate.

 

[MACHater02]

No, I don't have a problem with the media covering the tweets and expressing concern over what he says in them. My issue is that a tweet/sound bite takes over the news cycle which drowns out legitimate stories. Why didn't the death of soldiers in Niger bring up the question of the looseness of wording in the Authorization for Use of Military Force? Why didn't the media ask questions about why we were there? Instead, they got fixated on the "call" and gold star families. While the call is a story that should be reported, it's a minor story in comparison to the previous questions.

It wouldn't surprise me if at some point the Trump admin uses the media aggressiveness to their advantage to redirect attention away from something else they want to do. I.e. start working on something in foreign policy then tweet something absurd to redirect the news cycle. The administration seems too stupid and unorganized to be able to pull that off but it's certainly a possibility given the climate.

Are you serious? The media asked all of those questions about Niger and he refused to answer anything about it for weeks. Finally, this week he stated he let's the generals make those decisions. Even though he's smarter than them.

 

[UCFWayne]

Are you serious? The media asked all of those questions about Niger and he refused to answer anything about it for weeks. Finally, this week he stated he let's the generals make those decisions. Even though he's smarter than them.

while they asked some of those questions, those were almost back burner questions and the exclusively focused on what was said to the families which was sad.

 

[The Branch]

South Park said it best .... in the election we had a choice between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich.

I voted for Trump and never felt good about it. Funny part is, if the election were held again today, I would do it again. Clinton was just a really bad candidate. Bernie Sanders would have been worse.

 

[Great2BAKnight2]

Are you serious? The media asked all of those questions about Niger and he refused to answer anything about it for weeks. Finally, this week he stated he let's the generals make those decisions. Even though he's smarter than them.

Journalism is more than regurgitating sound bites and opining. There's no depth in the reporting. They may ask the question but the question needs to be asked to more than the press secretary and they need to do some leg work to get the details necessary to craft the story. The problem is that even when there is good journalism published, the headline and opening statements on prime time news surround the phone call (or other reactionary topic of the day/week). It just perpetuates lazy reporting.

In this latest issue, the media and Democrats missed out on an opportunity to start a discussion that would limit Trump's ability to do anything overseas. The only take away for me is that the current hyperactivity overseas is bipartisan. Perhaps Washington needs to pay attention, Obama in 2008 and Trump both won the presidency with a "scale back overseas interventions" part of their platform.

 

[The Branch]

Journalism is more than regurgitating sound bites and opining. There's no depth in the reporting. They may ask the question but the question needs to be asked to more than the press secretary and they need to do some leg work to get the details necessary to craft the story. The problem is that even when there is good journalism published, the headline and opening statements on prime time news surround the phone call (or other reactionary topic of the day/week). It just perpetuates lazy reporting.

In this latest issue, the media and Democrats missed out on an opportunity to start a discussion that would limit Trump's ability to do anything overseas. The only take away for me is that the current hyperactivity overseas is bipartisan. Perhaps Washington needs to pay attention, Obama in 2008 and Trump both won the presidency with a "scale back overseas interventions" part of their platform.

I have had been quoted in articles written about me and my colleagues .... and I can tell you without reservation that many journalists these days have a narrative already and are just looking for quotes to further the narrative. They are not searching for "truth". Not even close.

It's a sad state of affairs.

 

[UCFBS]

I have had been quoted in articles written about me and my colleagues .... and I can tell you without reservation that many journalists these days have a narrative already and are just looking for quotes to further the narrative. They are not searching for "truth". Not even close.

It's a sad state of affairs.

No one talks about what Trump actually says (let alone a quote of his full set of statements). They are talking about what other people think he said and how it affects them. They are 'analysts' to an extreme.

We haven't had any "pure news" since the death of 30 minute headline news at CNN. The new "HLN" is nothing of the sort.

In fact, about the only time I see any "pure news" is the 2 minute segment at Fox news. I won't watch the other 58 minutes of the hour, but that's actually still decent, and hard to find elsewhere.

 

[UCFBS]

Every one who raised their right hand to take the oath knows what we signed up for. We have no problem with that, saying it to a fellow group of vets is no big deal. Saying it to a grieving wife/mother/child. No. Just no.

What if Trump was just agreeing with what someone else said? What was the context?

That's what I get tired of.

I'm surprised you're not being just upset at the politician who made this a national issue. She is still the reason the widow is in front of the media.

But that's what that politician wanted.

 

[MACHater02]

What if Trump was just agreeing with what someone else said? What was the context?

That's what I get tired of.

I'm surprised you're not being just upset at the politician who made this a national issue. She is still the reason the widow is in front of the media.

But that's what that politician wanted.

Trump made it a national issue when he said it.