Trump praised Hitler to chief of staff John Kelly during Europe trip, new book claims
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National Socialism economics, like it or not, is basically our current economic system since the '80s. It's unsustainable. It's only for short-term gain, and causes all sorts of systemic issues beyond just the debt and finance.
BTW, ST:TOS had an episode about this very reality, which is still contested. To me, both the New Deal and National Socialism -- when not focused on war production -- largely failed. But New Deal proponents, just like Nazi economic proponents (whether they know so or not), refuse to concede.
That's why the left's 'Squad' pushing New Deal (really Soviet style planning) against the establishment Congress (both DNC and GOP establishment) pushing status quo (again, really more like National Socialism economics), scares me much like it did a small subset of Germans in the 1930s.
A lot of Baby Boomers, like Trump and even Biden, believe this still.
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BTW, ST:TOS had an episode about this very reality, which is still contested. To me, both the New Deal and National Socialism -- when not focused on war production -- largely failed. But New Deal proponents, just like Nazi economic proponents (whether they know so or not), refuse to concede.
That's why the left's 'Squad' pushing New Deal (really Soviet style planning) against the establishment Congress (both DNC and GOP establishment) pushing status quo (again, really more like National Socialism economics), scares me much like it did a small subset of Germans in the 1930s.
A lot of Baby Boomers, like Trump and even Biden, believe this still.
Patterns of Force (episode)
The Enterprise, searching for a missing Federation historian, discovers that the historian has apparently contaminated the cultural development of the planet where he was assigned as a cultural observer to have it follow the societal path of Nazi Germany in the 1930s and '40s. The USS Enterprise...
'The episode's thesis, which Professor Dr. Gill espoused and which Spock corroborated, was that Nazi Germany was the "most efficient" state that was ever known in Earth history. But this notion, widely accepted after World War II and even at the time of the episode's original broadcast on American television, has now been largely discredited. The historian William L. Shirer, in particular, has noted that the Nazi hierarchy was actually a tangled web of hostile competition, with many of its high officials being bitterly opposed to each other. Consequently, their respective jurisdictions often overlapped and/or collided. Hence, this conflict actually reduced or even, in some cases, completely negated governmental efficiency in Nazi Germany.'
Fascism is easily the most effective and efficient system for economic recovery and long term advancement of society.National Socialism economics, like it or not, is basically our current economic system since the '80s. It's unsustainable. It's only for short-term gain, and causes all sorts of systemic issues beyond just the debt and finance.
BTW, ST:TOS had an episode about this very reality, which is still contested. To me, both the New Deal and National Socialism -- when not focused on war production -- largely failed. But New Deal proponents, just like Nazi economic proponents (whether they know so or not), refuse to concede.
That's why the left's 'Squad' pushing New Deal (really Soviet style planning) against the establishment Congress (both DNC and GOP establishment) pushing status quo (again, really more like National Socialism economics), scares me much like it did a small subset of Germans in the 1930s.
A lot of Baby Boomers, like Trump and even Biden, believe this still.
Patterns of Force (episode)
The Enterprise, searching for a missing Federation historian, discovers that the historian has apparently contaminated the cultural development of the planet where he was assigned as a cultural observer to have it follow the societal path of Nazi Germany in the 1930s and '40s. The USS Enterprise...
'The episode's thesis, which Professor Dr. Gill espoused and which Spock corroborated, was that Nazi Germany was the "most efficient" state that was ever known in Earth history. But this notion, widely accepted after World War II and even at the time of the episode's original broadcast on American television, has now been largely discredited. The historian William L. Shirer, in particular, has noted that the Nazi hierarchy was actually a tangled web of hostile competition, with many of its high officials being bitterly opposed to each other. Consequently, their respective jurisdictions often overlapped and/or collided. Hence, this conflict actually reduced or even, in some cases, completely negated governmental efficiency in Nazi Germany.'
It just needs to be rebranded so it isn't associated with Hitler.
You seem to be ignoring the fact the JFK fought in WW2 and FDR declared war against Germany. Seems kind of likely that their views on him changed as time went on. That isnt comparable to Trump praising Hitler (if he infact did).
False. He wrote in his diary that Hitler was "fascinating", but also "a menace to the world". Saying someone is fascinating doesnt imply you like or approve of him. Hitler is still studied to this day because of people's interest in him, that doesnt mean everyone who is interested in him or the Nazi's approves of them.
Young JFK called Hitler "stuff of which legends are made" in old diary
The diary is the only one JFK is known to have written and dates from 1945 when he was a young reporter in Europe.
Young JFK called Hitler "stuff of which legends are made" in old diary
The diary is the only one JFK is known to have written and dates from 1945 when he was a young reporter in Europe.www.irishcentral.com
Yeah, I know what you are referring to. Hitler is one of the most significant people in the history of the world, certainly since Biblical times, acknowledging that doesnt mean you approve of what he did. In the same diary he also referred to him as a menace to the world, which I guess you are taking as a compliment?
"Nowhere in this diary, or in any of his writings, is there any indication of sympathy for Nazi crimes or cause.”
That quote is directly from your article.
And it's all first hand, verifiable quotes with context.
What context was Trump using? Do we even know what he said or is it just a rumor?
Yes, verifiable quotes that you dont appear to be comprehending.
I dont know what Trump said.
I do comprehend them, and can put them in context. Just like if I say Hitler is one of the most effective leaders in history because he was able to get people to go against their own faith and commit genocide. It's absolutely true, but if you just cherry pick the first half it sounds like I'm praising him.
Right. But you are the one saying he praised Hitler, so that is what you are doing.
Good grief. I dont know what Trump said, if anything. But bringing up people who lived during Hitler's reign, whose opinions very well might have shifted over time, is quite a bit different than someone in the present praising Hitler. The history on Hitler is written now, it wasnt yet written in the 30s and 40s. Your attempt at playing gotcha fails because of that.
JFK wrote that Hitler was "fascinating" a year after his death, knowing basically everything about him that we do today. I agree with his assessment.
But that isnt what you originally said. You said he wrote about him in "favorable terms". Saying someone is fascinating doesnt necessarily mean you approve of them. "Favorable terms" does imply you approve of them.
Good grief. YOu can be fascinated with someone you think is a terrible person. Hitler, Manson, Bundy, etc etc etc have all had numerous books, documentaries, movies, etc about them. Anyone interested in these things doesnt equate to praising them, which is "supposedly" what Trump did. You are playing a semantics game, nothing more.
So it's reasonable to say that even if Trump did say something about Hitler, praise could be subjective based on context.
I'm sure that's how the MSM will report on it.
The key is understanding HOW the Nazis and Hitler came to power.
Remember, it was the Communists that were blaming all religions and all wealthy, while the Nazis only blamed one religion and one set of wealthy.
That's why I despise the concept of the 'lesser of two evils.'
