Trump - Where do we go from here?

[DaShuckster]

After the November elections and the release of the Mueller Report, you don't need to be a famous psychic to know the new Democrat-controlled House will immediately initiate impeachment proceedings against Trump. Given Trump's combative style, you can bet your last dollar it's going to be an incredibly "messy" time. Washington politics will make the WWE's Monday Night Raw look like a school girls' pillow fight.

There's part of me that would like to hold my nose and skip all the mud and slime coming out of an impeachment battle and focus on electing a new leader for our country in 2020. The problem with that scenario is: what happens, God forbid, if there's an actual crisis that Trump has to handle? It also wouldn't surprise me in the least if Trump pulls a "Wag the Dog" in a self-serving, last-ditch effort to turn the public's attention away from all his crappola.

I am normally a "focus on the positives"-kind of guy. But however you want to look at it, the next 26 months sure look God-awful for our country. What do the rest of you think?

 

[UCFKnight85]

I think that despite the circus that Speaker Pelosi will make our Congress, the country will be just fine since we're already winning on all fronts thanks to legislation passed by the GOP and signed by Trump, and a slim D majority in the House won't mean diddly shit in passing damaging legislation that would upend this success.

And I think the best thing for Trump 2020 would be having the Democrats acting like hysterical morons and trying to impeach Trump because they don't like him. So have at it! Act as deranged and put your TDS on open display.

 

[DaShuckster]

I think the best thing for Trump 2020 would be having the Democrats acting like hysterical morons and trying to impeach Trump because they don't like him.

Yikes! Having YOU agree with me that impeachment probably isn't the way to go is like a cold, slap in the face. Clearly I need to rethink my position.

On the other hand, I'm afraid we'll have to 'agree to disagree' that everything's hunky-dory for the good ol U.S. of A. right now.

 

[sk8knight]

There’s a lot of assumption in your premise.

 

[DaShuckster]

There’s a lot of assumption in your premise.

Are you implying my premise is wrong? Where am I being too presumptuous?

• That the House will go Democrat this November?
• That the Mueller Report will spell trouble for Trump?
• That Trump will continue his "us vs. them" tweets and campaign stump speeches?
• That everything bad will continue to be labeled by the President as "fake news"?
  
• That Putin will continue to play Trump like a marionette?

Until I spelled it out, I didn't realize how far out on a limp I've gone with my assumptions. Feel free to point out where I'm leading people astray.

 

[goodknightfl]

I don't buy the whole blue wave thing. I expect the Dems to gain in the House, Don't know if they get it back. I think the Reps will pick up a couple in the Senate.

 

[Ace of Knights]

I don't see the Dems pushing for impeachment without absolute justification from the Mueller report. That's the only way they do it.

 

[UCFKnight85]

I don't see the Dems pushing for impeachment without absolute justification from the Mueller report. That's the only way they do it.

Lol. You serious Clark?

There are multiple Articles of Impeachment already filed by a few different nutjob Democrats in the House. These nuts will gain power and influence if Pelosi is Speaker.

No justification needed. They’ve literally pushed for impeachment because they don’t like him.

TDS is real

 

[goodknightfl]

American people overrode the Political elites and it can not be allowed stand. The surfs must be put in their place at the feet of the elitist. If Dems have house by 1 vote they will impeach him.

 

[UCFWayne]

I don't see the Dems pushing for impeachment without absolute justification from the Mueller report. That's the only way they do it.

i think it would be a big mistake for them to try and impeach. trump will likely destroy any contender in 2020.

 

[The Branch]

Dems are following the Republican blueprint for the first Clinton term. To the tee. Get all angry about stuff that doesn't matter ... try to impeach ... take one on the chin when you fail.

We did fine through that ... we will do fine through this.

 

[sk8knight]

Are you implying my premise is wrong? Where am I being too presumptuous?

• That the House will go Democrat this November?
• That the Mueller Report will spell trouble for Trump?
• That Trump will continue his "us vs. them" tweets and campaign stump speeches?
• That everything bad will continue to be labeled by the President as "fake news"?
  
• That Putin will continue to play Trump like a marionette?

Until I spelled it out, I didn't realize how far out on a limp I've gone with my assumptions. Feel free to point out where I'm leading people astray.

Your list is a product of you deciding Trump is wrong, criminal, and evil and you confirm that with your assumptions. Allow me to present another view of your same points with my opinions skewed by my biases:

I don't think the House will go Democrat this November. The media has been pushing a blue wave narrative since Hillary lost and polling has conflicted with their hopes, especially recently. You've seen vulnerable democrats attempt to move more center as their base pushes candidates that are more left. This is going to be a problem in the generals where I believe you'll have center-left voters that aren't motivated to change everything and didn't vote in the primaries reject the socialist movement. They'll also motivate the same voters that showed up to elect Trump to come out and counter the Ocasio-Cortez's (probably a bad example because she will win her district going away).

I think the Mueller report will be a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing. The only part of the sideshows that link Trump to any possible criminal activity was the Cohen allocution and even that doesn't pose any real chargeable actions (campaign finance violations are hard to prove in court and the principals have all waffled on whether there's anything there; if they had a smoking gun you think it would've been broadcast everywhere). The rest are overblown optical flags against a bunch of Russians for which no one in the country has any jurisdiction. Oh, and as the report is written, there are entanglements with Russian oligarchs for nearly everyone, including Mueller himself from a hostage search that may or may not be a permissible voluntary benefit of $25 million. So that report will be written very carefully, will exclude details that should not be excluded and will cause division, and will end up being something that the left and right will scream at each other about that will do nothing but prove to be a big waste of taxpayer dollars. Oh, and it'll be released at just the right time to try to sway the November elections.

I'll give you that the President will continue his verbal diarrhea on Twitter. The news media keeps demonstrating their almost pathological need to generate and propagate fake news about the President, Republican, conservatives, and libertarians. I believe that this is going to push more on the right to the polls than the "experts" are projecting. As for commenting on everything being bad news, the issue of the media voluntarily giving up credibility means that Trump is right about fake news as often as he's wrong and people are too lazy to separate the wheat from the chaff.

I think your last point is your biggest assumption and, other than a bad-optics press conference, the USG's actions towards Russia and Putin don't seem to prove it out.

 

[The Branch]

Democrats are making a huge mistake trying to attach Trump to this BS Russia thing.

Democrats should dump that ... and go back to arguing that Trump is clinically insane and unfit for office. There is probably a much better chance at getting him out with that ... especially considering it is probably true.

 

[firm_bizzle]

Does anybody not agree that you can have the same policies without the drama with Mike Pence?

 

[UCFKnight85]

Does anybody not agree that you can have the same policies without the drama with Mike Pence?

He’d be a lot different on trade

 

[The Branch]

Does anybody not agree that you can have the same policies without the drama with Mike Pence?

I don't mind Pence ... but I don't believe he would be as strong on certain decisions as Trump would be. In order to "drain the swamp" you sometimes have to make drastic moves that Pence would not be willing to make. I doubt Pence would have rid the FBI of Comey and McCabe and Strzok and Page.

Trump is willing to do anything and doesn't care what people think. Of course, it's also why he is a nutjob ...so there is that as well.

 

[DaShuckster]

Your list is a product of you deciding Trump is wrong, criminal, and evil and you confirm that with your assumptions.

True!

I don't think the House will go Democrat this November. ...

I think the Mueller report will be a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.

We'll see soon enough--and then, perhaps, we can 'revisit' this thread.

 

[sk8knight]

True!



We'll see soon enough--and then, perhaps, we can 'revisit' this thread.

Absolutely. Look forward to some friendly banter.