UCF On ESPN Waiting List
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We absolutely must clean house immediately. This is not progress - this is a major regression. GOL must go.
Auburn fired Gene Chizik two years after they won the national championship. GOL will get a lifetime extension if they finish 0-12 this year. The blame lies on Dr Hitt. He needs to be fired and arrested.
And Auburn gets 4 and 5 star players across their roster and get access to SEC money to hire and fire. Making comparisons to teams that land elite talent at every position isn't a fair comparison. That isn't not counting their budgets to do everything. Teams in the G5 are the comparison.
Apparently they can afford to give GOL a lifetime extension and raise if he goes 0-12 is what im assuming amirite?
Take this kind of loss? Look, UCF football is a business with GOL as the CEO. It's not about "taking a loss", it's about expecting more for your investment. This of it this way, we the fans are Delta, and GOL is Boeing.
How long would Delta put up with Boeing if occasionally 747's just fell out of the sky because Boeing's CEO decided occasionally not to connect the flaps because once or twice a technician connected the wire backwards during the prototyping phase and he didn't want that to happen on the final product. Would anyone stand for that incompetence?
What if the Boeing CEO promised to build an aircraft that would be in the top-10 in terms of comfort and fuel efficiency. Boeing even indicated that if all Delta wanted was an aircraft in the top-25 for comfort and efficiency they weren't interested because they can build such good planes. How long would Delta continue with Boeing when after 10 years they have only had 1 plane in the top-10 in terms of comfort and fuel efficiency - in a couple of those 10 years Boeing was delivering planes outside of even the top-100!
Why anyone would continue with Boeing at this point is absolutely beyond me.
How long would Delta put up with Boeing if occasionally 747's just fell out of the sky because Boeing's CEO decided occasionally not to connect the flaps because once or twice a technician connected the wire backwards during the prototyping phase and he didn't want that to happen on the final product. Would anyone stand for that incompetence?
What if the Boeing CEO promised to build an aircraft that would be in the top-10 in terms of comfort and fuel efficiency. Boeing even indicated that if all Delta wanted was an aircraft in the top-25 for comfort and efficiency they weren't interested because they can build such good planes. How long would Delta continue with Boeing when after 10 years they have only had 1 plane in the top-10 in terms of comfort and fuel efficiency - in a couple of those 10 years Boeing was delivering planes outside of even the top-100!
Why anyone would continue with Boeing at this point is absolutely beyond me.
So ... you're saying that any G5 that losses to another G5 is like an Airbus, Boeing or even Embraer falling out of the sky?
What you're saying is that there are *0* G5 teams that have never lost a plane!
The same could be said for a good number of P5 teams too.
So ... it doesn't matter if UCF is in the top 5 for "safety" and "efficiency" the last 5 years.
The fact that UCF isn't flawless, held to "it's own standard," making a BCS Bowl and, now, not getting the G5 spot, year in - year out, means we're "incompetent"?
Virtually all of the G5, short of Boise State, would love to have our results and position over the last 5 years.
Dude ... your analogy just doesn't fit.
SIDE NOTE: However, you came close to describing what Boeing did with the MD-95, as they didn't want to market it as it was too close to the 737-700 in terms of capacity. Then then allowed Embraer to come in with the EJ-190/195 series, after the MD-95 line was shut down due to lack of future orders. They did this despite the fact they still were on the hook for over 50 more deliveries and options, and had to sell 737-700s as an alternative at virtually cost (or thereabouts) to fulfill those orders/options. The MD-95 was efficient, held the top departure rate for 3 years straight IIRC and otherwise made the two airlines in the US that utilized it some of the most efficient and cost effective.
In other words ... some marketing managers at Boeing "thought they could do better" and screwed up a guaranteed win -- proven by the product slot today that Embraer is now dominating. So ... you can replace GoL. But don't come bitching when we go from being a guaranteed top 5 G5 on-average over a 5 year spread, and even #1 or #2 in some years, to the middle of the pack, with a long line of coaches. Stability does a lot for recruiting ... so do graduation rates too.
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Ummmmm because this is COLLEGE football. You support UCF because it is your COLLEGE team. You would not care about UCF if you did not go to COLLEGE there. See the problem with you and so many others is that your priorities are all screwed up. You really think that it matters if UCF wins a national championship. (Que the "get a participation trophy comment here"). If winning were the only form of success in COLLEGE football then your skewed analysis might hold water. But if it were, more than half of the teams would be out of business. But the dirty little secret here is that most of those programs support their team despite losing a game against an "inferior" opponent. So if you want to rant about all of this (and I know you have been waiting in the wings for this for a couple of years now) go support FSU. They win a lot more.
Yes, totally with SC here, please ... please go away!
Even if C-Monty absolutely prove sGoL is the source of all our problems, of which I do not (quite the opposite), let alone it's suspect that all this is coming out post-FIU (typical), his attitude is not something I want to see in a fellow Booster ... ever.
Or, perhaps since I spent 4.5 years of my blood, sweat, and tears at UCF maybe I want better for them because I KNOW they can do better. When the interns start calling asking for donations and I have to choice to give it to the Engineering department, who is constantly upping their game and performing above expectations, or athletics who is constantly performing below expectations (except for one year), who do you think I give to? There is no incentive to give to athletics right now until they prove they want to move forward and get better. UCF made the decision they wanted to be a big-time sports school when we moved to division 1. It is now time to act like we want to be here.
But you're not the only one here who went to UCF for 4-5 years.
What is with all this "versus" stuff? Why not both?!
You really need to check your attitude ... because even if you were 100% right on GoL, beyond any doubt, your attitude literally pissing me off as a fellow UCF Engineering grad.
I honestly wish you would just give to the CECS and just forget about the program altogether. It's boosters like you that will destroy it with not just the 1-game, knee jerk reactions, but with logic that defies reality in the G5 world.
And who has advanced UCF more in FBS (I-A)? GoL? Or others?
Honestly dude ... move on. We don't need this type of fantasyland attitude. In addition to expecting us to match Boise State's 17 year run, you keep making arguments that not even Boise State can match, only a P5 program.
Before GoL we'd never break the Top 25. After GoL, we regularly enter it, and finished Top 10 in one year. That's a very, very high mark for a G5 program that very few others have done. Now imagine UCF with a P5 invite and money.
There is far, far more potential to go way backwards, than to inch just a bit more forward. But you won't see that ... until you get your way.
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We spend about 2X on athletics as FIU does, yet FIU is able to beat us.
I seriously don't understand the GOL can do no wrong mentality of some in our fanbase. The dude has been average his WHOLE career. We can do better than average.
I seriously don't understand the GOL can do no wrong mentality of some in our fanbase. The dude has been average his WHOLE career. We can do better than average.
1. You should give more to Engineering than athletics. this should not be a dilemma. Even if UCF was winning the NC. It is a school and that is more important than football.
2. Every Fan here gave their blood sweat and tears and you know what they got? A diploma (well most did anyway). Football is supposed to be a fun sideline. You tailgate, you see your family and friends, you hope to win, you get mad when you don't, you are happy when you do and then you get over it.
Nobody says GOL can do no wrong. Of course he can. He did last Sunday. So did the staff and the players. But it happens. You obviously were not around when Mike Kruczek would have a team on the ropes and let it slip in the last quarter. This program has progressed light years since GOL took over. Will it be time soon to move on? Yup and I guarantee that is already in the works. But the breakdown over a loss to FIU is just childish.
If money is the factor ... then we should be losing a lot more games than we are. We have beaten teams with 5x our budget.
What?!?!?!
Didn't you catch me bitching loudly about the "25 yards ... a PAT ... a chipshot," even asking if GoL, at age 69, is now making late game situation decisions that could be suggesting he's going senile?! I've also been asking, regularly (even before FIU), about Beckton, including as a potential OC/HC instead of Key. He's definitely been 1 of our top 2 assistants.
The difference is that I not only take specific issues on specific things ... I support the program, regardless! I don't ... and I'll use your phrase on GoL ... "hold the program hostage" with my dollars, like you do! Beyond your fantasyland analysis, your "I have to choose between funding the program and funding the College of Engineering" is the ultimate insult.
I'd rather you just fund the College and forget about the program. Our student-athletes deserve better from its alumni, it's boosters ... whether you think Hitt, GoL, etc... should go or not. That's the difference my friend. Why can't you see that?
A lot of coaches would disagree with you. But that aside ...
How can you say our last 5 years, preceded by 5 years of him rebuilding the program and pulling out of ESPN's "Bottom 10" (yes, we hit #1 before he even coached a game!), is "average"? Maybe "average" for a typical, mid-level P4 (excluding SEC, of course). But way, way unexpected for a G5 ... a Top 10 G5 by far, a top 5 the last 5 years on average, and #1 or #2 in a couple.
And our student-athletes deserve better than your attitude. Sorry, but that's what I'm taking issue with ... not this "GoL can do no wrong" BS.
I think we'll eventually see Gene back at UCF. It'll have to be timed right. There will always be questions of how Gene ran the Auburn program, how much he had a say, and did not, in "questionable student-athletes" (and there were more than one).
But I'm not going to let 1 game define any potential candidate. I'm not even going to let a full season do so, although it will definitely be a significant factor. Taffe is a perfect example of why we shouldn't.
Dude, know your history! UCF has been winning against teams at our level for a very long time. All the way back to the division III, II, and I-AA days. That has never been the issue. GOL was brought on to bring us to the next level which he did for 1 season. We didn't make this big of an investment in him for 1 season. Outside of that we're doing what we've always done - win against the teams at our level.
FIU is not at our level - they are much below. This is a HUGE setback for our program, possibly a program killer. Mark my words if we don't get rid of GOL, 5 years from now we will be on NCAA probation due to attendance and likely be forced to drop to FCS.
FIU is not at our level - they are much below. This is a HUGE setback for our program, possibly a program killer. Mark my words if we don't get rid of GOL, 5 years from now we will be on NCAA probation due to attendance and likely be forced to drop to FCS.
I think Coach K, (Kruz for the newer crowd), would be a much better OC than Keys. But I also think Coach K and O'Dreary would probably come to blows to
Agreed. I think Coach K had a good offensive mind, but as a leader it was not prettyI think Coach K, (Kruz for the newer crowd), would be a much better OC than Keys. But I also think Coach K and O'Dreary would probably come to blows to
How about FBS (fka I-A)? That's the difference. How has UCF's FBS history worked out, prior to GoL?
Now keep in mind that I've been going to games since '91. I was at many of them, and always at least one, non-regional away game per year since the late '90s. I've been there since we hit FCS (fka I-AA).
And there's a reason I like the "GoL program" that Orsini brought to us for FBS.
So ... in other words ... we should have exceeded what Boise State has done?
Oh boy ... nevermind. We're done.
Yep, totally done.
Mike Kruczek is one of the most brilliant, offensive minds. But he absolutely sucked at running a program.I think Coach K, (Kruz for the newer crowd), would be a much better OC than Keys. But I also think Coach K and O'Dreary would probably come to blows to
In his defense ... we paid him peanuts. For what he had to work with, he did a lot with so little.
Yeah ... he had me going there. Well trolled ... until the end there, where it became obvious.
Before GOL we already had a winning record against teams considered on our level (MAC, CUSA, etc). Sure Kruczek left our program in a mess, but seriously was GOL paid almost double so he can restore our winning ways back to Kruczek levels?
And another thing if all we should do is be a fan of our college team, then why did we kick Kruczek out, why did we move to FBS in the first place? We shouldve been happy as a FCS commuter school playing Troy, BCC and FAMU. Isnt UCFs move to FBS, upgrading facilities, mean they want to belong to a conference that will pay them the most money? Hes been with the program over 10 years now. I think some people are resenting that you bring up that its only one game. Whenever it looks like the program is about to turn the corner or finally sustain a long period of success that make us look attractive to P5 conferences looking to expand we lay an egg like this. GOL has done alot for the program even though i dont know how he and not other coaches can convince the administration we need an on campus stadium..but his is turning into the emperors new clothes story. He needs to go and so does Key.
That is the most ridiculous statement...wow...in maybe the history of the UCF Rivals board existence.
You huggers are so obvious with your man-crushes on GOL. Let me bring more facts to the table:
GOL: 81-61 (.5704) - 4 losing seasons (5 if you count 2015).
MK: 36-30 (.5454) - 2 losing seasons.
WHERE IS THE IMPROVEMENT FOR THE $100'S OF MILLIONS MORE WE'VE INVESTED SINCE COACH K WAS FIRED???
We could still be paying coach K $200K per year and have at worst the same results we've been given under GOL.
GOL: 81-61 (.5704) - 4 losing seasons (5 if you count 2015).
MK: 36-30 (.5454) - 2 losing seasons.
WHERE IS THE IMPROVEMENT FOR THE $100'S OF MILLIONS MORE WE'VE INVESTED SINCE COACH K WAS FIRED???
We could still be paying coach K $200K per year and have at worst the same results we've been given under GOL.
If you read some of my posts, you'd realized I'm very much "not ok" with the playcalling and coaching in the FIU loss.
But it doesn't mean the end of the world. It also doesn't mean GoL is the crap people make him out to be, compared to other options.
No, he's not crap--just an old coach that's set in his ways that contributes to loses.
So ... his coaching style is why we lose most often?
I won't deny, he causes some of our loses. But some of you guys make him out to be the cause for most of our loses. I strongly disagree with that.
Let's see how we come out Saturday against Stanford. The sting is gone from FIU and tomorrow is a new opportunity to show us they can make improvements. Hitt isn't going to do anything anyways. The only way a coach will get canned is if they screw Genshaft on Hitt's desk while he is on a call to the Big 12....
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