UFO/UAP Report

[Boosted87]

Surprised there wasn't a thread on this. Anyway, the report itself is only a few pages. So there's no "evidence" of any sort provided - no individual events discussed. Instead, it's a very high level summary.

Details:

• Spans 2004 through 2021
• Formalized Navy reporting system only began in 2019. Air Force system for reported implemented late 2020.
• 144 incidents reviewed (all US Government sources).
• 80 of those reports involved observation with multiple sensors.
• Majority of reports are last two years (since formal Navy reporting system was implemented)
• 1 UAP was identified with high confidence as a large, deflating balloon (implying 143 remain unidentified)
• 18 Incidents included "unusual" movement or flight characteristics
  • Remained stationary in the wind, moved against the wind, or moved at considerable speed with no discernable means of propulsion.
  • Small number where "military aircraft systems processed radio frequency (RF) energy associated with UAP sightings."
  • Small amount of data showing unusual accelerations or "a degree of signature management."
• 11 "near misses" reported by pilots with UAP

I was really surprised they could only confidently identify 1 out of 144. I suspect that's because there was little reason (with limited manpower) to focus on the less interesting cases, particularly if you had several very compelling cases to study.

The most interesting part? The report admits that there are "sociocultural stigmas" associated with reporting. There seems to be a legitimate effort to end that. Right after the report was issued Deputy SECDEF Hicks put out a memo directing DOD to "develop a plan to formalize the mission currently performed by the UAPTF". This basically requires formal reporting and collecting within 2 weeks of an incident.

Link to Report

https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf

Hicks Memo

https://media.defense.gov/2021/Jun/25/2002749916/-1/-1/1/DEPUTY-SECRETARY-OF-DEFENSE-MEMORANDUM-ON-UNIDENTIFIED-AERIAL-PHENOMENA-ASSESSMENTS.PDF

 

[Boosted87]

The report creates 5 categories of possible explanations.

• Airborne clutter (birds/balloons etc)
• Natural Atmospheric Phenomena
• USG or Industry Development Programs
• Foreign Adversary Systems
• Other

So they classified 143 of 144 reports as "other". Here's the paragraph describing "other" from the report:

Other: Although most of the UAP described in our dataset probably remain unidentified due to limited data or challenges to collection processing or analysis, we may require additional scientific knowledge to successfully collect on, analyze and characterize some of them. We would group such objects in this category pending scientific advances that allowed us to better understand them. The UAPTF intends to focus additional analysis on the small number of cases where a UAP appeared to display unusual flight characteristics or signature management​

I think it's pretty interesting that this paragraph says "we may require additional scientific knowledge" to understand what we are seeing. That suggests to me that the UAPTF has at least some data that is truly baffling.

Makes me think of the reporting from last year (that several journalists confirmed independently) that the UAPTF had an "extremely clear" photo of a black triangular "aerospace vehicle" taken in 2019 by an F/A-18 pilot from his cockpit - shortly after it emerged from the ocean.

Great article on the UAPTF including discussion of that photo here...

 

[Boosted87]

I'm sure life exists in other galaxies but they would be limited to our restraints with death and time. Even if they could travel at 5-10,000 mph hour would make traveling to far galaxies difficult.

I don't think there is a conspiracy to hide information. Someone would talk.

People have been "talking " for decades. The problem - IMO - is that if there was a conspiracy to cover up some knowledge - it would be wrapped up in so much disinformation you'd have no idea which part was actually true.

But I think we over state the travel problem. If other intelligences are interacting with us, they could be millions - or even billions - of years ahead of us. Look how far we've come in the last 200 years.

Pure thought experiment. Imagine a billion year old civilization treating the galaxy (or galaxy cluster or whatever) like modern microbiologists. Seeking to document and categorize all life. They would have likely discovered life on earth millions and millions of years ago.

 

[Knight In TN]

I'm sure life exists in other galaxies but they would be limited to our restraints with death and time. Even if they could travel at 5-10,000 mph hour would make traveling to far galaxies difficult.

I don't think there is a conspiracy to hide information. Someone would talk.

We traveled nearly 25,000 mph on the Apollo 10 mission.

 

[DaShuckster]

But I think we over state the travel problem. If other intelligences are interacting with us, they could be millions - or even billions - of years ahead of us. Look how far we've come in the last 200 years.

Pure thought experiment. Imagine a billion year old civilization treating the galaxy (or galaxy cluster or whatever) like modern microbiologists. Seeking to document and categorize all life. They would have likely discovered life on earth millions and millions of years ago.

Its not hard for me to believe that life exists outside of our solar system. The notion our planet is unique in the vastness of the known universe would be the more preposterous position to take.

But based on physics, I think it’s just as likely our mysterious travelers with their advanced technology are a future version of ourselves as it is aliens from other worlds.

 

[Knight In TN]

But based on physics, I think it’s just as likely our mysterious travelers with their advanced technology are a future version of ourselves as it is aliens from other worlds.

Lol…

What physics are you talking about?

You believe that time travel (which there is 0 evidence is actually possible) is just as likely as space travel (which we do constantly)?

 

[Crazyhole]

Its not hard for me to believe that life exists outside of our solar system. The notion our planet is unique in the vastness of the known universe would be the more preposterous position to take.

But based on physics, I think it’s just as likely our mysterious travelers with their advanced technology are a future version of ourselves as it is aliens from other worlds.

This is interesting. What makes you think time travel is more possible than the idea that our current knowledge of physics isn't immutable?

 

[Boosted87]

Its not hard for me to believe that life exists outside of our solar system. The notion our planet is unique in the vastness of the known universe would be the more preposterous position to take.

But based on physics, I think it’s just as likely our mysterious travelers with their advanced technology are a future version of ourselves as it is aliens from other worlds.

One interesting takeaway I've had from my recent deep dive into this in recent weeks - The influential individuals who study this stuff are not married to "extra-terrestrial" solutions. It's regularly now described as a "phenomenon" which could be extra-terrestrial, crypto-terrestrial (hidden civilization), or extra/inter-dimensional (parallel universe /time travel / higher-dimensional entities kind of stuff). In other words, a "nuts and bolts" solution - aliens from another planet - is the least woo-woo of everything.

 

[Crazyhole]

One interesting takeaway I've had from my recent deep dive into this in recent weeks - The influential individuals who study this stuff are not married to "extra-terrestrial" solutions. It's regularly now described as a "phenomenon" which could be extra-terrestrial, crypto-terrestrial (hidden civilization), or extra/inter-dimensional (parallel universe /time travel / higher-dimensional entities kind of stuff). In other words, a "nuts and bolts" solution - aliens from another planet - is the least woo-woo of everything.

That's what makes this so fun. All of a sudden hollow earth theory, time travel, Atlantis, interdimensional beings, etc are all equally possible theories. It makes for great thought experiments.

 

[Boosted87]

That's what makes this so fun. All of a sudden hollow earth theory, time travel, Atlantis, interdimensional beings, etc are all equally possible theories. It makes for great thought experiments.

Right! I'm having too much fun right now. It also puts an interesting spin on "why" governments would cover this stuff up for decades. Aliens is a pretty good cover story for something much stranger and harder to explain.

 

[The Knightman Cometh]

Good coverage, thanks for sharing and citing your sources.

 

[Boosted87]

Lol…

What physics are you talking about?

You believe that time travel (which there is 0 evidence is actually possible) is just as likely as space travel (which we do constantly)?

I'm with you here on likeliness. But time is really weird. Like the delayed choice quantum eraser - an experiment where entangled particles seem to show an event in the past caused by a future event (good explanation here).

Quantum mechanics in general is crazy. The more you dig into it - the weirder it is. Entangled particles can essentially communicate instantly regardless of how far apart they are. Shit is weird. So I'm hesitant to laugh off crazy ideas because we think we know everything.

 

[Knight In TN]

I'm with you here on likeliness. But time is really weird. Like the delayed choice quantum eraser - an experiment where entangled particles seem to show an event in the past caused by a future event (good explanation here).

Quantum mechanics in general is crazy. The more you dig into it - the weirder it is. Entangled particles can essentially communicate instantly regardless of how far apart they are. Shit is weird. So I'm hesitant to laugh off crazy ideas because we think we know everything.

I don’t know enough to call it impossible, but likelihood is what I was commenting on. There’s just absolutely zero evidence to suggest humans traveling backwards in time is possible, while we’re traveling through space literally all the time.

 

[The Knightman Cometh]

The majority of these sightings were post 2019 when Navy began formally reporting these UAPs. It’s only a matter of time until concrete, clear photo/video is produced in the next few years of something possibly not from this world. What then will the gov response be? Continue to be transparent with reports like what they are doing now? Public will likely be shocked. Would think gov would not produce something to public until they have a response of what they will do (even if the response is to do nothing).

 

[Crazyhole]

Right! I'm having too much fun right now. It also puts an interesting spin on "why" governments would cover this stuff up for decades. Aliens is a pretty good cover story for something much stranger and harder to explain.

Yep. There is no Occam's razor with this one. I could say that these are demons rising out of the bowels of hell deep inside the earth and it is an equally possible theory as any other, lol.

 

[Boosted87]

Yep. There is no Occam's razor with this one. I could say that these are demons rising out of the bowels of hell deep inside the earth and it is an equally possible theory as any other, lol.

Exactly. There's a great freedom in saying "we have no idea WTF is going. So let's throw all pre-conceptions out the window and start from scratch."

It's amazing how hard that is to do though. Neil deGrasse Tyson was making fun of aliens on Twitter as of yesterday. That's just crazy to me. The USG is saying "we've got crazy shit on sensors WTF" - and instead of inspiring curiosity and wonder he's all like "yea I have a huge brain with superior reasoning skills so I'm gonna make fun of you."

I thought this was great - Deitrich is one of the fighter pilots that witnessed the Nimitz Tic-Tac event and just recently went public on 60 minutes...

 

[The Knightman Cometh]

Exactly. There's a great freedom in saying "we have no idea WTF is going. So let's throw all pre-conceptions out the window and start from scratch."

It's amazing how hard that is to do though. Neil deGrasse Tyson was making fun of aliens on Twitter as of yesterday. That's just crazy to me. The USG is saying "we've got crazy shit on sensors WTF" - and instead of inspiring curiosity and wonder he's all like "yea I have a huge brain with superior reasoning skills so I'm gonna make fun of you."

I thought this was great - Deitrich is one of the fighter pilots that witnessed the Nimitz Tic-Tac event and just recently went public on 60 minutes...

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He went on the Joe Rogan podcast a few weeks ago and was a pretty big skeptic on UFOs/aliens. Pretty annoying hearing him being so close minded about the topic.

 

[DaShuckster]

Lol… What physics are you talking about?

I've read articles by physicists who say that time travel is theoretically possible to the future as well as the past.

You believe that time travel (which there is 0 evidence is actually possible) is just as likely as space travel (which we do constantly)?

My point is simply that there's probably a greater likelihood of UFOs being operated by future humans than there is of them being space aliens who've traveled to Earth from far distant galaxies (which currently also has 0 evidence of actually being possible.)

 

[Crazyhole]

Exactly. There's a great freedom in saying "we have no idea WTF is going. So let's throw all pre-conceptions out the window and start from scratch."

It's amazing how hard that is to do though. Neil deGrasse Tyson was making fun of aliens on Twitter as of yesterday. That's just crazy to me. The USG is saying "we've got crazy shit on sensors WTF" - and instead of inspiring curiosity and wonder he's all like "yea I have a huge brain with superior reasoning skills so I'm gonna make fun of you."

I thought this was great - Deitrich is one of the fighter pilots that witnessed the Nimitz Tic-Tac event and just recently went public on 60 minutes...

View embedded media

I like Tyson, but he definitely has a superiority complex.

He says it can't possibly be aliens. Fine, then it's Kang the Conqueror. Prove me wrong.

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

This guy supposedly witnessed a UFO crash near Roswell This is his testimony in 1991 He and his family supposedly witnessed the crash.

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

This is another witness who had a nurse friend who supposedly saw the alien life forms..He was asked to remain silent by government..

 

[Knight In TN]

I've read articles by physicists who say that time travel is theoretically possible to the future as well as the past.

My point is simply that there's probably a greater likelihood of UFOs being operated by future humans than there is of them being space aliens who've traveled to Earth from far distant galaxies (which currently also has 0 evidence of actually being possible.)

This is retarded.

I’ve read articles that say a lot of things, but I’m smart enough to not believe everything I read.

We have far more evidence that traveling to distant galaxies is possible. It’s a matter of understanding what the barrier is. We know how to move through space. Every time you get off your couch to take a leak you’re traveling through space. The barrier to going to a distant galaxy is only how to go farther than you’re currently able to.

But tell me what the very first step in transporting yourself and a vehicle to a time in the distant past is, and you’re well on your way to a historic level of fame. There’s not even an inkling of how that might be possible, but sure… there’s “a greater likelihood” that UFOs are time traveling humans from this planet than an intelligent species from a long way away. FOH.

 

[DaShuckster]

This is retarded.

Funny how you can believe space is malleable but not time. Check out Albert Einstein's special theory of relativity. He thought both were true.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

How come it's always tornado bait, trailer camp trash that has these encounters with ETs instead of people with actual brains and real jobs? How am I supposed to believe in this stuff if it's always Bobby Joe Jeb and Sarah Bell Mayflower who see this shit while they're cooking up a batch of meth?

 

[Knight In TN]

Funny how you can believe space is malleable but not time. Check out Albert Einstein's special theory of relativity. He thought both were true.

I can believe space is traversable because we have been traversing space since the beginning of the universe.

I am skeptical of the concept of similarly traversing time BECAUSE IT HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE AND THERE IS NO THEORY ON HOW IT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE ACCOMPLISHED.

And please, stop pretending you understand Einstein. You very clearly don’t.

Time travel is possible, but it’s a one-way ticket

Chenoa van den Boogaard, Physics and Astronomy editor The ability to travel through time, whether it is to fix a mistake in the past or gain insight into the future, has long been embraced by science fiction and debated by theoretical physicists. While the debate continues over whether...

blog.scienceborealis.ca

 

[UCFBS]

Funny how you can believe space is malleable but not time. Check out Albert Einstein's special theory of relativity. He thought both were true.

Einstein only put forth the idea that for relativity -- observer v. traveler -- to work, and someone to travel faster than light, that one would be able to see the past, as a result of traveling faster than the observer, in relation to, the traveler.

There are a crapton of asterisks on all that. Meaning ... there are a lot of 'ifs' involved.

 

[Crazyhole]

Einstein only put forth the idea that for relativity -- observer v. traveler -- to work, and someone to travel faster than light, that one would be able to see the past, as a result of traveling faster than the observer, in relation to, the traveler.

There are a crapton of asterisks on all that. Meaning ... there are a lot of 'ifs' involved.

The documentary "Superman" explains how to reverse time. All you have to do is make the earth rotate in the other direction and you can save Lois.

Hashtag science.

 

[Boosted87]

So Ross Coulthart is an investigative journalist from Australia who's won basically every award they give out down there, working for their version of 60 Minutes and other things.

Well he dove down the the UFO rabbit hole and has a book coming out next month. Saw this interview he just did covering the topics in his books. Dude comes off really credible. It was interesting to hear his methods. He identified something like 160 people in the US who he thought might know stuff. To avoid digital trails, he sent them all snail mail, told them kind of what he was looking for, and gave out secure communications contact info so they could contact him.

He got responses, had conversations - some on the record some off - and those contacts gave him other people to speak to. The interview has a bunch of interesting stories. But his conclusion was pretty interesting.

He said that either his letters had lead to an intentional dis-information effort through multiple un-related contacts - OR - reverse engineering programs exist for highly advanced tech well beyond our current understanding of physics.

 

[Crazyhole]

So Ross Coulthart is an investigative journalist from Australia who's won basically every award they give out down there, working for their version of 60 Minutes and other things.

Well he dove down the the UFO rabbit hole and has a book coming out next month. Saw this interview he just did covering the topics in his books. Dude comes off really credible. It was interesting to hear his methods. He identified something like 160 people in the US who he thought might know stuff. To avoid digital trails, he sent them all snail mail, told them kind of what he was looking for, and gave out secure communications contact info so they could contact him.

He got responses, had conversations - some on the record some off - and those contacts gave him other people to speak to. The interview has a bunch of interesting stories. But his conclusion was pretty interesting.

He said that either his letters had lead to an intentional dis-information effort through multiple un-related contacts - OR - reverse engineering programs exist for highly advanced tech well beyond our current understanding of physics.

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I could buy the reverse engineering theory, buy it doesn't explain the source of the tech we are reverse engineering. Past civilization perhaps?

 

[Boosted87]

I could buy the reverse engineering theory, buy it doesn't explain the source of the tech we are reverse engineering. Past civilization perhaps?

The feeling I got from the interview, is that no one he talked to knew the whole story. Everything was compartmentalized. The stories he relayed were fascinating, but the overall takeaway was what got me.

 

[ChrisKnight06]

Exactly. There's a great freedom in saying "we have no idea WTF is going. So let's throw all pre-conceptions out the window and start from scratch."

It's amazing how hard that is to do though. Neil deGrasse Tyson was making fun of aliens on Twitter as of yesterday. That's just crazy to me. The USG is saying "we've got crazy shit on sensors WTF" - and instead of inspiring curiosity and wonder he's all like "yea I have a huge brain with superior reasoning skills so I'm gonna make fun of you."

I thought this was great - Deitrich is one of the fighter pilots that witnessed the Nimitz Tic-Tac event and just recently went public on 60 minutes...

View embedded media

I love this. Eric Weinstein was going at him pretty good too. I've been a fan but been really disappointed with NDT over this. He's either being intentionally obtuse or trolling... Either way it's frustrating.

 

[ChrisKnight06]

I'm sure life exists in other galaxies but they would be limited to our restraints with death and time. Even if they could travel at 5-10,000 mph hour would make traveling to far galaxies difficult.

Huh???