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UK breaks all time temperature record

I find myself in the awkward position of...gulp...defending @goodknightfl

To be clear, he and I rarely agree on things and I like razzing him from time to time, but as these types of wild-ass message boards go, he's okay.

When you have Ivy League politicians like Josh Hawley and posters here who STILL say with straight-faces that Trump won the 2020 election, it should be pointed out that goodknightfl has recognized the BS for what it is and has repeatedly said he doesn't want Trump to run again.

When you consider the Trumpster nutjobs who posted DAILY nonsense about the Covid vaccines and stolen elections, you could argue goodknightfl has been one of the least crazy of the crazies here. ;)
 
Anger issues? your inner snowflake/Karen is coming out. Of course you don't have opinions, just monkey training points.
The only thing worse is people that agree with the uneducated, anger-filled, value-less posts...

Regardless of "side" we all should hold each other accountable to an acceptable level of decency.
 
Regardless of "side" we all should hold each other accountable to an acceptable level of decency.
I agree -- to a point.

I'd LOVE to have real, honest-to-goodness discussions of current events here. But this board got littered by daily nonsense posts from Twitter 'news' sources over the past few years. Frankly, it got so exasperating, it was understandable why some of our long-time posters fought back against the insanity.

With the numbers of our 'Usual Suspects' (thankfully) dwindling and the BS-level starting to lower over the past month or two, maybe we can reach your "acceptable level of decency" again.
 
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Texas is literally Hell on Earth this Summer …breaking all sorts of records for days above 100 and with no rain

It can't be that bad, Ted Cruz hasn't ran away like a little bitch yet.

Or maybe it's because Cancun is even hotter, and he isn't smart enough to find somewhere else to flee?
 
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It can't be that bad, Ted Cruz hasn't ran away like a little bitch yet.

Or maybe it's because Cancun is even hotter, and he isn't smart enough to find somewhere else to flee?
at least Cancun has beautiful beaches . don’t think even Mexico would want Texas back
 
I do agree global warming must be confronted. Some people will never agree on the cause, to them I say regardless, the impacts are noticeable... I've personally seen bleaching of coral reefs on some of my dives, no bueno.

Need to get some balanced approaches to get all sides moving on it. I like the EVs, but it can't be an all or nothing strategy.
I just spent a month in the Keys. I don't dive but I snorkel. My favorite reef is Carysfort Reef and then maybe Grecian Rocks the front side. As a biologist I am fascinated with coral reefs and at Carysfort they UM/Game and Fish and local places like Robbies have taken tank raised Elkhorn and Staghorn corals and cemented them to various parts of the reef. The Elkhorn is often placed in deeper waters on the front side and Staghorn in shallower waters on the backside. Yes I have seen some bleaching but in the last three years going to this reef I have seen both species spreading on their own. The backside of Carysfort on the west (South end) by my observations and estimates the Staghorn corals have easily increased in area by 40% or more in the last three years. I have been there every year since 2018. The Elkhorn have increased in numbers and size but it's a slower growing species .

The fact is they are increasing and its just not dieing out . What I did notice on the backside is filamentous blue green algae growing on some of the living Staghorn corals. That's a water quality issues not thermal.

I don't deny climate change ,I don't even deny man contributes to it..what I deny is the catastrophic predictions these models tend to generate and the timing of the catastrophes. We discussed in several science classes at UCF climate change back in the 80s and 90s . The predictions of if we don't act now the earth is going to burn up in 20 years have been going on a long time.

Increasing the mean atmospheric temperature by .5 degrees C isn't ,I repeat isn't going to wipe out life as we know it. Life is resilient significantly more resilient than stupid ass lawyers and Hollywood people give it credit.

I live in the Smoky Mountains. If you cane here just 100 years ago much of these forests were completely logged over . I mean stripped clean. The Smokies is home to more plant species and more a salamanders than anywhere else in the western hemisphere. We trashed this place and if you know anything about stream bed ecosystems you would know that silt and temperature drive it . Too much of either and you harm the macro invertebrates which are the basis of the food chain for native trout and things like salamanders.

My point is we trashed this region big time mechanically altering stream temps, water clarity, and dumped tons of silt into the system . Yet 100 years later the salamanders are abundant, stream water quality is pretty good, the forests quickly recovered and the biodiversity is amazing. In many cases logging altered the stream bed over night and water temps increased dramatically by several degrees once the tree cover was removed.

So, yah the mean atmospheric temp is projected to rise .5 C to possible 1C over 100 years and I am to believe the cataclysmic destruction of ecosystems as a result when we actually destroyed ecosystems over night and they recovered remarkably. The predictions don't add up for me.

The other thing is this carbon dioxide is not a poisonous gas. It's essential. It's essential for photosynthesis to make sugar and oxygen . It's essential in our bodies to help regulate our blood chemistry pH. It's essential in our oceans as carbon dioxide creates in equilibrium in sea water carbonic acid . Oh,no ,the seas are be one acidic ! Wait what? You need carbonic acid in the system to free up solid calcium from calcium carbonate. Calcium carbonate in aqueous solution is needed by fish for their bones, mollusks for their shells, corals ro build the reef itself . Otherwise the the calcium and carbonate solids won't dissolve in water without a little help from carbonic acids.

Lastly I am a huge fan of do it all energy especially nuclear energy. We spend hundreds of millions in training men and women to operate nuclear powered warships . They stay in the Navy for 7 years and get out and very few work in the nuclear civilian world . Why? Because for some reason the Navy can build and run nuclear reactors on dynamic warships but it's too damn risky according to environmental groups to build static nuclear power plants on land. In my opinion this is insane . We should embrace nuclear power now. We got this as a nation based on the Navy's excellent track record of safely doing it at sea.

Y'all do know these historical facts of the last 2000 years right? Like how the Tudors grew citrus ? How about the vineyards unearthed in Newfoundland? How about the Roman Army crossing the Alps high passes at the time of Christ? Our own history shows us not so long ago the earth was a bit warmer then than today. Then earth cooked towards a mini ice age where Europe faced crop failures , the plague and other diseases due to a wetter and colder climate . While didn't measure the temperature with any scientific instruments we do have history and archeology to suggest in our recent past 2,000 years of a warning and cooling cycle lasting 100-200 years . Life , especially mammals , tend to fair better when it's warmer not colder . Plants and food drops tend to do well when it's warmer not colder . History shows us that much .

I truly don't expect to change a single mind . However, I hope some will question things . Remember,good science is about asking questions,being a bit skeptical of reports and it's not about dogma . Unfortunately in my opinion climate science has been polluted with dogma and when idiot lawyers claim you can't question science , then I walk away because science is all about questions.
 
Remember,good science is about asking questions,being a bit skeptical of reports and it's not about dogma . Unfortunately in my opinion climate science has been polluted with dogma and when idiot lawyers claim you can't question science , then I walk away because science is all about questions.
It's beyond head-shaking to see climate change deniers still stubbornly refusing to ignore the ever-mounting evidence. Worse yet, it's seeing them somehow come up with a spin that uses 'science' as their justification.

The trouble with your definition, Nauti, isn't with asking questions, it's with ignoring the answers.
 
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It's beyond head-shaking to see climate change deniers still stubbornly refusing to ignore the ever-mounting evidence. Worse yet, it's seeing them somehow come up with a spin that uses 'science' as their justification.

The trouble with your definition, Nauti, isn't with asking questions, it's with ignoring the answers.
Lucky for us the WC 4 are either all banned, dead, deleting posts, Baker acted, in therapy, or eating themselves into a frenzy. Imagine the super annoying troll crap that we would have to deal with. Now it’s just manifesto Nauti.
 
Problem is very large emerging countries, India, China, and I expect a couple more are building Coal plants at a rate much higher than we can get rid of them. Bottom line is at best we are going to slightly slow the process, but in no way can we reverse it. So I am all for making things cleaner and more efficient and would be for that with or without climate change.
But we better be putting money into understanding and dealing with the effects of global warming at the same time.

Just like most people the cars/trucks I drive today are more efficient and cleaner running than 15 years ago and on average 2 to 3 x better than what we had in the 1970's. When I graduated high school, I had a 1970 Dodge Charger Dukes of Hazzard body style. (My favorite car ever) that got 13 city and 15 highway. Today the wife drives a Rouge that gets 29 city and 38 on the highway. My old work truck that got 11 and 14 has been replaced by a Frontier that comes close to double that #. Air conditioners in homes use 1/3 the power they did back then, as do light bulbs, Refrigerators and more. This improvement will continue, but it won't reverse the issue.
 
Problem is very large emerging countries, India, China, and I expect a couple more are building Coal plants at a rate much higher than we can get rid of them. Bottom line is at best we are going to slightly slow the process, but in no way can we reverse it.
And so....then what? We shrug our shoulders and say, "guess we do nothing"?
Just like most people the cars/trucks I drive today are more efficient and cleaner running than 15 years ago and on average 2 to 3 x better than what we had in the 1970's.
Isn't that a good thing? Do you think those enhancements in cleaner running engines and better fuel-efficiency happened by accident?
 
Hottest day ever recorded on planet earth in world history in September was today folks.

 
And so....then what? We shrug our shoulders and say, "guess we do nothing"?

Isn't that a good thing? Do you think those enhancements in cleaner running engines and better fuel-efficiency happened by accident?
No, we continue to do what we have, make things better as technology gets better. make use of what we have available now. and prepare for the change that is coming, we can't stop it and at best will only delay it a few years. Right now, Nuclear is a big part of the answer, but the clean energy people took it off the board. More using of natural gas is an important stop gap measure that works efficiently for power production right now.
The enhancements came from the Gov't making difficult but manageable requirements, and the market (capitalism at work) demanding higher mileage cars.

The bottom line is we should do what makes sense as it makes sense, but don't expect to stop global warming, while other countries add more new greenhouse gasses in than we have the ability to reduce. The people who yell the loudest are the worse ones for adding to the problem. It is more about control of the masses than fixing the environment. It is no different than mask and lockdowns. Fauci making big show before a speech and soon as the cameras are supposed to be off him and his henchmen all removing them and having a grand old time not knowing someone was still filming in the back room.
 
As a side note, as of today there is 600 coal fired plants in the United States, 184 are currently being built in China, and 350 worldwide.
 
don't expect to stop global warming, while other countries add more new greenhouse gasses in than we have the ability to reduce.
Are we the world's leader or not? If we are unwilling to step forward and do what WE KNOW is right, what hope do we have that other countries will eventually step up and follow our lead?
As a side note, as of today there is 600 coal fired plants in the United States, 184 are currently being built in China, and 350 worldwide.
So we throw up our hands and give up??? My mind is boggled by this mindset of "we can't control other places so why should we even try?" How many times has the United States set the tone for the rest of the world over the course of our history?
 
No one said don't step forward, I said do what is doable at at a reasonable rate and cost. Technology will continue to move forward. But doing what California just did is stupid, no new gas cars in 12 years when they don't produce enough power already. Talking of new rolling blackouts this week and turning up air conditioning, and not charging their electric cars. Solar will improve as it already has, but it isn't going to be the answer in 10 or 15 years, Wind isn't the answer, Hydro can help, but bottom line is 20 years from now we will need much more electricity than they can provide. Even if by some miracle of nature, we cut emissions 75% in 20 years globally the greenhouse gas emissions will still be higher than today.

When the global elitist who push for the changes, live like they believe what they preach maybe we should be willing to sacrifice as well. But that isn't what they do, they live large, fly Private jets, own big yachts. and keep their mansions at whatever temperature they want. The main purpose of climate control is to gain $$, and power over the smurfs.
 
Hey guys, the high school drop out pool cleaner has thoughts on climate change.

We should listen to him instead of PhDs who make it their life's work to study this.
Almost as good as 400lb part-time I.T. specialist living in a shack in rural Alabama giving Covid and vaccine advice.

Then there’s Boston and his gold investing advice. A whole other level
 
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