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This is a pretty weak example of fraud. Most of what they listed was just technicalities, such as the wrong person witnessed it. It does say "possible forgery", but obviously if it is "possible" then they have no actual proof it happened.
About 30% of ballots in Texas were rejected this year in the most populous counties in the state, compared to that number usually being around 1%. I saw an interview with one lady whose ballot was rejected because her ID didnt match the ID she used when she registered. Except, she registered 40 years ago, so obviously she doesnt have the same ID.
Ballot Rejections in Texas Spike After New Voting Law
Ahead of Tuesday’s primary, about 30 percent of absentee ballots were rejected in the state’s most populous counties. In 2020, the statewide rejection rate was less than 1 percent.
The total # of votes might have been up, but only 2.9 million voting in a state of 29 million is still ridiculously low.
Possible forgery isnt proof of forgery. You could possibly be a serial killer, but if there is no evidence of it, then we shouldnt treat you like one right? Also, do you think people in nursing homes just shouldnt be able to vote?
Plus, the article also doesnt mention who these fraudulent votes were for, which in an article by a conservative publication, I find kind of interesting.
This had nothing to do with ID, it was literally saying it was fraudulent because health care workers assisted them with their ballots, not that they filled out ballots for the wrong people. It is a technicality. So what is your solution? Anyone who needs assistance just shouldnt be able to vote?
Why dont we just do this. When someone registers to vote they leave a stool sample, then when we cast our ballots we all rub a little shit on it, and we can make sure the DNA matches? I mean, DNA would be better than ID right? I dont think some of you are going to be satisfied until we start going to these types of routes.
Key words “to open an account”. Do you provide the same level of identification to utilize your bank account as you do to open it? Of course not, because that level of scrutiny is biased toward a failure to complete a legitimate transaction. Much like added identification requirements on casting a ballot is biased towards a failure for a legitimate ballot to count. It’s two differing opinions. Voting mechanisms (and bank transactions) for the most part err on the side of potentially allowing a fraudulent transaction rather than inadvertently denying legitimate transactions.
This is a faulty analogy . There are specific laws against murder . If there are no voter ID laws then proving forgery or not becomes difficult if not impossible right? By removing all security measures with voting then do you really have fraud when fraud occurs because after all there is no law or security measures in place to violate . It's only criminal if there is a law regulating the behavior right?
Since 1794 to 20218 we managed to run elections fairly well baring the issues after the civil war and the when black men obtained the right to vote . Today though any mention of voter ID , security measures the left decries racism. I just keep thinking why does the left assume every black person is too stupid to vote,obtain free IDs and participate in legal voting? It's the racism of low expectations placed on people of color and or poor people.
We need standards to protect and secure the ballot so when our side wins or loses we all have faith in the system . Right now all this unfettered, poorly monitored and controlled voting systems just infuses distrust into the system. The Republic can't stand if we collectively lose trust in the vote .
It’s a midterm primary. The numbers are always small.About 30% of ballots in Texas were rejected this year in the most populous counties in the state, compared to that number usually being around 1%. I saw an interview with one lady whose ballot was rejected because her ID didnt match the ID she used when she registered. Except, she registered 40 years ago, so obviously she doesnt have the same ID.
Ballot Rejections in Texas Spike After New Voting Law
Ahead of Tuesday’s primary, about 30 percent of absentee ballots were rejected in the state’s most populous counties. In 2020, the statewide rejection rate was less than 1 percent.www.nytimes.com
The total # of votes might have been up, but only 2.9 million voting in a state of 29 million is still ridiculously low.
I get that, I just dont think you can take much from it when it is so low to begin with.
I buy things every day with a credit card or debit card number or check with no verification of my identity beyond a signature or the card number. Because the system of money flow is to optimize the chances of a successful transaction at the expense of ensuring 100% fraud prevention. The purpose of holding elections is to elect popular candidates, not ensuring 100% fraud prevention. To that end, minimizing the chances of nullifying legitimate votes is the primary objective. As it should be. We aren’t developing aircraft which need a 99.9999999% success rate and are expensive advanced systems developed over years. You are talking about a voting apparatus mostly operated by volunteers with technologies funded by taxpayer dollars. And at the end of the day you could have the most advanced technology there is but it’s still going to be administered by the neighborhood grandparents and rely on their ability to see your photo ID and determine if it is truly you standing in front of them. We aren’t putting men on the moon here There is no inherent predisposition for one party to benefit from fraud over another either. And the scale of fraud that can currently occur unchecked has no impact on election outcomes.
It’s the accurate take. The system is designed to err on the side of counting every legitimate vote vs potentially nullifying legitimate votes by ensuring 100% fraudless elections. Just because you disagree with the system doesn’t make these facts incorrect.
So the integrity of our elections matters? Or it doesn’t? I can’t keep up.
The system is incompetent and thus counts every legitimate vote and a good number of illegitimate ones and most places couldn’t even tell the difference. Almost any state actor of significant means could easily compromise our elections as could a private individual who has $400 million to throw towards election offices. Or hell, you could just go the Soros route and flood State’s Attorneys races with money in urban jurisdictions so that your chosen candidates have 10 - 100x the exposure of any of their rivals. Since most of us feel the need to vote but only really pay attention to the Presidential race, it’s a highly effective strategy. Win the judiciaries and you can pretty much control the whole thing.
You seem to be off on a tangent. If your idea of a high “integrity” election is one with a 100% accurate tally of votes, then congratulations, there has never been a presidential election with “integrity”. You are lost on this easy fraud that any “state actor” could commit to change the true will of the people. Sorry you ate it up, but Trump was lying to you.
I could care less what Trump thinks. I have a good deal of very relevant experience with cyber and system security. It’s not my primary job but I have enough that I lead and consult on mission critical DOD systems. I have far more expertise in this area than Trump or anyone one this board, save maybe BS. I can tell you that there are 8th graders that can compromise our voting systems. Not to mention that so many of them rely on volunteers with little or no vetting to implement the security measures.
No system is 100% secure. That’s an unreachable goal. But our systems are damn near wide open and a good deal of the public feels it. We need to solve both the security and the perception problems.
Bit my first question still remains: is integrity a big deal or not? Are we not allowed to question election results because it hurts the integrity but at the same time we can’t do anything to secure the elections so we don’t have questions because it hurts the integrity. You’ve taken quite the position there.
MC/Visa is not the same as deposit/withdrawl from a bank account, with one exception ...
Furthermore, I do not recommend people use debit cards for this reason ... because they do not have the same 'fraud protections' while the level of 'access' to your bank is too easy.
You basically just undermined your argument right there ... that people -- like yourself -- really no idea how bad 'convience' can be versus the risk of 'fraud.'
Same with accessing your bank or retirement accounts from your everyday account and browser ... don't do it. Use a dedicated account and browser for financial-specific access.
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