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USC/ UCLA to Big 10?

Why are football programs still associated with the University? Why are students being forced to go to school to play?

The teams of today are nothing like the rec teams that played 150 years ago.

What's holding back the players and coaches from simply just starting their own independent team. That's what this is heading to
If that becomes imminent, the NFL will start a minor league system first. The Universities need to stop trying to change the setup or their won’t be big time college football for them to make money off of.
 
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This will eventually end badly for the SEC and Big12...it'll be no different from GE, Tyco and what have you.

Bigger is not always better.
 
Well I didn't go through every post here I see the same problem I keep talking to my friends about. Everyone is looking at this from a 1970 perspective and not from the new college football perspective. What the Big 10 move has shown is there is no longer a geographical footprint and rivalries don't matter. It's all about money and TV sets.

If the Big 12 is smart they take Oregon, Cal, Colorado and Arizona or Arizona state. 3 major markets and a team in Oregon that is a national brand. We don't need Utah (already have BYU)

Big 12 then gets ahead of the ACC. (ACC will be the next conference poached by Big 10) Look for the Big 10 to poach Miami and VT or a NC Raleigh area school. (More $ and market share)

SEC could then raid and take Clemson and a Raleigh NC school.

Big 12 picks up a NE school BC or Pitt and a NC school.

Eventually you have 3 -20 team leagues and the start of a real playoff.
 
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It's a historical thing. For ex, Ole Miss has been around since 1890s. There's deep history and tradition between these schools. That's pretty much what drives everything
This is only half of it. Many of the also-ran schools have history. The main difference is that ESPN has a partnership with the big properties now that includes a huge up-front investment and so will do whatever it takes to convince you that these properties are the best in the entire world. Since ABC/ESPN/Disney is the gorilla in the room, the disproportionate emphasis convinces everyone from viewers, to corporate sponsors, to 17-year-old athletes that the school in the middle of nowhere Alabama/Georgia/insert state here is the pinnacle of excellence and thus deserving of viewing/sponsorship/attendance. It’s not even a rigged game. It’s an entertainment property scripted to maintain the facade of true competition while delivering on the real goals of making money for the partnership year over year.

If the merry-go-round goes around again and leaves UCF out yet again, we should all be done with this farce.
 
The other question is when these leagues will start dropping the dead weight. You can only grow a business so much before you have to optimize what you have and organize for future growth. There is no way to have continued growth with anchors in your organization. The culling process will be quite the spectacle when it happens.
 
This is only half of it. Many of the also-ran schools have history. The main difference is that ESPN has a partnership with the big properties now that includes a huge up-front investment and so will do whatever it takes to convince you that these properties are the best in the entire world. Since ABC/ESPN/Disney is the gorilla in the room, the disproportionate emphasis convinces everyone from viewers, to corporate sponsors, to 17-year-old athletes that the school in the middle of nowhere Alabama/Georgia/insert state here is the pinnacle of excellence and thus deserving of viewing/sponsorship/attendance. It’s not even a rigged game. It’s an entertainment property scripted to maintain the facade of true competition while delivering on the real goals of making money for the partnership year over year.

If the merry-go-round goes around again and leaves UCF out yet again, we should all be done with this farce.
I am just amazed how short sighted the conferences were on playoff expansion. The problem is the biased invitational is destroying college football when the same teams are in the playoffs every year.
 
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There’s going to be a lot of upset fan bases (& fired coaches) when they don’t win for decades at a time with these super conferences.
 
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There’s going to be a lot of upset fan bases (& fired coaches) when they don’t win for decades at a time with these super conferences.
Yea. It makes sense to me that they'll want to keep Vandy, Rutgers, Illinois, etc. because 1) they need cupcakes in their conference to beat up on and 2) those brands are part of the larger conference branding. I don't think we'll see a bunch of teams cut.
 
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This is only half of it. Many of the also-ran schools have history. The main difference is that ESPN has a partnership with the big properties now that includes a huge up-front investment and so will do whatever it takes to convince you that these properties are the best in the entire world. Since ABC/ESPN/Disney is the gorilla in the room, the disproportionate emphasis convinces everyone from viewers, to corporate sponsors, to 17-year-old athletes that the school in the middle of nowhere Alabama/Georgia/insert state here is the pinnacle of excellence and thus deserving of viewing/sponsorship/attendance. It’s not even a rigged game. It’s an entertainment property scripted to maintain the facade of true competition while delivering on the real goals of making money for the partnership year over year.

If the merry-go-round goes around again and leaves UCF out yet again, we should all be done with this farce.
yep drop big time investments in facility upgrades too if it gets this bad for UCF
 
Everyone is looking at this from a 1970 perspective and not from the new college football perspective. What the Big 10 move has shown is there is no longer a geographical footprint and rivalries don't matter. It's all about money and TV sets.

Eventually you have 3 -20 team leagues and the start of a real playoff.
You’re right about the first part but wrong about the second part.

The SEC and the B1G raids that have taken place this summer have ensured there won’t be a third superconference. It’s either get an invite from one of the Big Two or you’ve lost your big boy football status.

Truth is, there will be enough of those teams left to form their own separate college football league with their own championship and bowl games.
 
NCAA isn't going to die. It makes pennies off FBS to begin with.

60-80 teams starting their own league doesn't affect the 400+ other programs, and the Gonzagas of the NCAA without football that never depended on FBS monies.

Cash-maker for NCAA was always M&W Basketball post-season for 3 divisions....and other sports, baseball, softball (growing interest), etc. NCAA already had little power over FBS. So financial impact can already be softened by departures.

Many saying the "NCAA WILL DIE!". They are mis-speaking if anything. NCAA "will die as a governance of these programs", but it won't DIE DIE Muerte doom death.

It will just move teams up from lower divisions.

This shift reminds me A LOT of the 1995 BCS shift, remember...entire "non-BCS auto-qualifier" status was a result.

There is money made, believe it or not...on that concept alone. Underdogs, etc.
 
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You’re right about the first part but wrong about the second part.

The SEC and the B1G raids that have taken place this summer have ensured there won’t be a third superconference. It’s either get an invite from one of the Big Two or you’ve lost your big boy football status.

Truth is, there will be enough of those teams left to form their own separate college football league with their own championship and bowl games.
Again, fans from any conference left out are not going to tune in.
 
Again, fans from any conference left out are not going to tune in.
This is perhaps thr huge miscalculation. Nobody will care about those two conferences once they screw cfb. Much of those schools have low enrollment and low alumni bases that are dying off.
 
Looks like those who spoke of 4 super conferences which totalled 64 teams might be a reality.

The PAC 12 without USC and UCLA is incomplete conference with best teams to be picked from. They weren't that good before this if you check the final rankings of these teams in last decade.
 
This is perhaps thr huge miscalculation. Nobody will care about those two conferences once they screw cfb. Much of those schools have low enrollment and low alumni bases that are dying off.

The fanbases is not tied to enrollment. They are like professional teams.

When UCF was not involved in the national picture, a lot of the student base and alumni were out their cheering for UF, FSU, UM. That will happen again at most schools that are left out of the big conferences over time.
 
This guy seems to have good sources. Reported on USC/ UCLA going to the BIG 10 on April 18


This is what he is Reporting Today




So it seems ESPN will help the BIG 12 add the PAC12 teams in return the BIG 12 will let OU and UT leave early at a reduced price. This guy has been spot on so far so I trust his sources.
Here are other interesting nuggets.







 
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This guy seems to have good sources. Reported on USC/ UCLA going to the BIG 10 on April 18


This is what he is Reporting Today




So it seems ESPN will help the BIG 12 add the PAC12 teams in return the BIG 12 will let OU and UT leave early at a reduced price. This guy has been spot on so far so I trust his sources.
Here are other interesting nuggets.







Good stuff. I’d love for Oregon and Washington to be shut out of Big10 and forced into Big12. Then take AZ and UT and call it a day
 
This guy seems to have good sources. Reported on USC/ UCLA going to the BIG 10 on April 18


This is what he is Reporting Today




So it seems ESPN will help the BIG 12 add the PAC12 teams in return the BIG 12 will let OU and UT leave early at a reduced price. This guy has been spot on so far so I trust his sources.
Here are other interesting nuggets.







All 5.5K followers, just like Tuxedo Yoda...ok
 
BS fool.
RU brought the biggest market in the Country to the B1G and Conference ha$ benefited great a$ a re$ult.
You are certainly the #1 delusional fan.... Rutgers brought nothing to that conference except assuming the role of slump buster, the Vanderbilt of the North....without the academics.
 
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UCF swag in Az? Who would have ever thought that? And the poor stupid usf fans are having trouble finding their stuff in Tampa.
Look, someone bought that in Orlando and then returned it while they were at the 2014 Fiesta bowl after we won so they could buy the Good Knight merch
 
Never underestimate the t-shirt fan.
Definitely. The t-shirt fan - and they are legion - will simply start following a brand in one of the big conferences based off either which one is closest or which one they simply like the branding of (success mostly). Folks who just follow FBS ball because they are alumni or formed a true connection with one of the left out FBS programs in another way will check out.
 
I find it a bit amusing that some YouTube pundits are hyping Notre Dame's 'BIG decision.' Hmmm...do they stay independent and stay with their own NBC TV contract worth $15M annually? ....or do they join the B1G and likely make $95M to $100M annually? SUCH a tough call, right guys?
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The reality is that ND's cachet is such that they're guaranteed a spot in either the B1G or the SEC. But given the Irish's rivalry with USC and their long history playing B1G teams like Michigan, Michigan St., Purdue, and Nebraska, the direction they'll end up going is obvious.

The question isn't IF they join but WHEN they'll announce it. I'm guessing the school's lawyers need time to figure out how they extract themselves from the ACC at the lowest possible expense. And ND's invite is good news for Stanford and potentially bad news for Oregon and Washington.
 
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I find it a bit amusing that some YouTube pundits are hyping Notre Dame's 'BIG decision.' Hmmm...do they stay independent and stay with their own NBC TV contract worth $15M annually? ....or do they join the B1G and likely make $95M to $100M annually? SUCH a tough call, right guys?
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The reality is that ND's cachet is such that they're guaranteed a spot in either the B1G or the SEC. But given the Irish's rivalry with USC and their long history playing B1G teams like Michigan, Michigan St., Purdue, and Nebraska, the direction they'll end up going is obvious.

The question isn't IF they join but WHEN they'll announce it. I'm guessing the school's lawyers need time to figure out how they extract themselves from the ACC at the lowest possible expense. And ND's invite is good news for Stanford and potentially bad news for Oregon and Washington.
Spot on.
 
Good stuff. I’d love for Oregon and Washington to be shut out of Big10 and forced into Big12. Then take AZ and UT and call it a day
Az blows. You take Az State before Az, unless you're just saying you want a patsy for football, and are just taking them for the other sports (specifically basketball). In like ~90 years they have 3 season where they won 10+ games. They haven't won an outright conference title since 1936. Last time they were even co-champs was 1993.

Az is in Tucson (the #71 market). Az State is in Phoenix (the #12 market). Arizona has like ~50k students. ASU has ~75k students.

Utah makes a lot of sense, especially with BYU already on board. Natural rivalry already in place. You have locked down the state of Utah. Not trying to make that sound like more than it is but basically "owning" both products in a state is better than one or none of them. They are unique in the kinds of players they typically roster their teams with.
 
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You are certainly the #1 delusional fan.... Rutgers brought nothing to that conference except assuming the role of slump buster, the Vanderbilt of the North....without the academics.
Rutgers = Loss accumulator, and paycheck collector
 
RU brought the biggest market in the Country to the B1G.
Exactly. Anyone who laughed at adding Rutgers to the Conference isn't a fan of the member universities who will be earning north of $100M annually from its next TV deal.

The B1G now has teams in the Top Four TV markets and eight out of the top ten.
 
This guy seems to have good sources. Reported on USC/ UCLA going to the BIG 10 on April 18


This is what he is Reporting Today




So it seems ESPN will help the BIG 12 add the PAC12 teams in return the BIG 12 will let OU and UT leave early at a reduced price. This guy has been spot on so far so I trust his sources.
Here are other interesting nuggets.








"So it seems ESPN will help the BIG 12 add the PAC12 teams in return the BIG 12 will let OU and UT leave early at a reduced price. This guy has been spot on so far so I trust his sources.
Here are other interesting nuggets."

Sounds like a win for the Big 12. Texas and Oklahoma are leaving any ways. Why not get more in return. The question I have with this the Big 12 is locked into Fox Sports not ESPN.
 
I am just amazed how short sighted the conferences were on playoff expansion. The problem is the biased invitational is destroying college football when the same teams are in the playoffs every year.
Yeah, but three gentlemen shook hands and looked each other in the eye and whatnot…… you know, the “alliance.”

Warren played the ACC and P12 for complete fools. Now you have essentially the AFC and NFC.

Still though, who would have thought this time last year that the Big 12 might be the third conference to survive?

ND is not joining the ACC. Too much money and now too many historical rivals for them in the Big 10.

The ACC is on borrowed time. The GOR just lets them kick the can down the road. The only thing that can save them now is raiding the Big 12 for about 6 teams, renegotiate their TV contract, and extend the GOR to about 2060… if they can convince everyone to get onboard with extending it. But, you know UNC, UVA, and GT know the Big 10 covets them. VT, Clemson, FSU and NC State would join the SEC today.

Oregon and Washington are the only thing that could save the P12, but nobody in the B12 will ever believe they are committed to staying in the P12 and will jump at the B10 the first chance they get.

So the Big 12, once thought for dead, is in position to scoop up the remnants of the P12 and ACC and become a potentially 20+ team super conference where legitimately every team has an equal chance to rise to the top. No “most favored nation” status for the likes of Texas or Ohio State.

Conservatively forecasting, the current Big 12 ( I do not include OU/UT, and do include the new 4) could pick up any combination (or all) from a pool of…

P12 - Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State, Washington State, Oregon State and California.

ACC - Pitt, Louisville, Syracuse, BC, Wake Forest and Duke.

Notes: If the Big 10 doesn’t want Kansas, I can’t see them coveting Duke. And, Cal has issues joining the Big 12 because the state of California has laws in place that prevent public universities from using state funding to travel to states California deems as discriminatory towards gay people. (Oklahoma has specifically been pointed out.)

This projection was put out PRIOR to the UCLA/USC announcement, but AFTER the Texas/Oklahoma announcement.



Adding a boatload of power 5 schools should positively affect that number, plus there will be more money available because there will be three leagues instead of five.

Not to mention there are more bidders this go round than 10 years ago. Apple TV just signed a $2.5 Billion deal with Major League Soccer, so broadcasters are in the market for live sports content and are willing to pay for it.

Potential suitors include:

CBS/Paramount+
NBC/Peacock
ABC/ESPN/2/U/+
Fox/FS1/FS2/FX
Apple TV
Amazon Prime

The future of the Big 12 looks a lot brighter potentially, right now, than it did a year ago. Bringing in UCF, Houston, Cincinnati and BYU last year stabilized the league to the point where it is in a position of strength to poach others when the time comes.
 
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