USF

[swift996]

Although improved, ends this year again with 0 conference championships, 0 10-win seasons, 0 BCS bowl wins.

I saw some chatter last week about the tides turned, etc. I just wanted to remind everyone, yes they are a better team but as a program, they have accomplished nothing.

 

[Happy Hands]

USF should be happy with what they did this year. It was a big improvement over the last few. I'm not worried about what they do apart from our game with them. They had a Beef o Brady year--not great, but not bad either( basically our 2012 and 2014). It's no reason for them to claim some sort of AAC greatness, but they've never been the most realistic of fans.

 

[Central Floridave]

found this on twitter:

Programs in Florida that have won conference championships:

Florida

FSU

UCF

Miami

FAU

FIU
Programs that haven't:

USF

 

[SCKnight]

Meh, talking smack after 0-12 is pretty pathetic. They waxed us this year. But then again, who didn't.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

I'm glad we didnt play Yale or Harvard because we can't call them hicks.

 

[rizbull1]

Who cares, Conference USA was a joke.

 

[mikejones89]

Congrats on your "success". UCF has also accomplished something USF has never done before... Going 0-12 not only once but twice!

 

[LemmyKilmister]

Funny how all the USF turds are coming out now...

 

[swift996]

USF has certainly fielded a better team this year, no doubt, they dominated us. I'm just showing facts because their fan base thinks UCF is following their footsteps in a collapse. My only point is they aren't close to accomplishing what we have as a program. They are much improved and likely will be a solid team next year.

 

[CBlackwellRN]

Congrats on your "success". UCF has also accomplished something USF has never done before... Going 0-12 not only once but twice!

If that makes you feel better...

 

[mikejones89]

USF has certainly fielded a better team this year, no doubt, they dominated us. I'm just showing facts because their fan base thinks UCF is following their footsteps in a collapse. My only point is they aren't close to accomplishing what we have as a program. They are much improved and likely will be a solid team next year.

Welcome to the new world of CFB. Nobody cares about your CUSA trophies, and your AAC and BCS trophy certainly hasn't helped your program. USF even in its worst years generally still had a recruiting edge even with all your "success". Let's be real, I want USF to win the AAC, but it doesn't mean shit to anyone but our school or conference mates. We've all been left behind and all our accomplishments are diminished. Even your BCS bowl win, which was over the easiest BCS team, has been forgotten because of the new playoff system. It gets mentioned sometimes, but it doesn't carry much weight anymore. Point being, you can talk all you want about trophies, but in the end, we're both stuck in a sub-par conference with shit bowl ties and on the outside looking in. We're both small fish and nobody gives a damn about us.

 

[OmniKnight]

Congrats on your "success". UCF has also accomplished something USF has never done before... Going 0-12 not only once but twice!

go take your western kentucky coach and continue in mediocrity

we'll wave from the plane when headed out west for our next 1/1 bowl

 

[OmniKnight]

Welcome to the new world of CFB. Nobody cares about your CUSA trophies, and your AAC and BCS trophy certainly hasn't helped your program. USF even in its worst years generally still had a recruiting edge even with all your "success". Let's be real, I want USF to win the AAC, but it doesn't mean shit to anyone but our school or conference mates. We've all been left behind and all our accomplishments are diminished. Even your BCS bowl win, which was over the easiest BCS team, has been forgotten because of the new playoff system. It gets mentioned sometimes, but it doesn't carry much weight anymore. Point being, you can talk all you want about trophies, but in the end, we're both stuck in a sub-par conference with shit bowl ties and on the outside looking in. We're both small fish and nobody gives a damn about us.

Can't agree with this. An AAC team that dominates in and out of conference will make a big bowl and will have a shot at the playoff if stars align.

CFP is in its infancy. We are not on the outside looking in forever. AAC needs to continue fielding top quality teams and winning quality OOC. Memphis did good beating Olé Mississippi... Need more of those, especially over SEC.

Also, the bit about UCF's fiesta bowl win not carrying much weight is fallacy at best. All Florida State and Florida Gators fans I talk to still hold it in very high regard, and casual fans remember it quite well. You can't say things like "easiest BCS team" and retain any credibility.

 

[UCFProud]

Our BCS trophy didn't help us?!?!?!

Check out our new head coach's quote in this article:

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...ost-central-florida-head-coach-oregon-offense

 

[UCFProud]

Oh, and I almost forgot.....

Our win in the Fiesta Bowl was against the Big 12 Champion that year. When have the Cows ever beaten a P5 Conference Champion in the same year they had won said championship?

Keep hugging your Mascot Trophy and your "one week at #2" glory, it really is the only legacy you have to reminisce about.

 

[rizbull1]

Congratulations on 1 major bowl victory. You clearly are the greatest team in Florida

 

[wagers]

Yeah, the UCF win over Baylor was good, but that is all I can really give credit for. Also, the Georgia bowl win was nice. You guys are also still seeking your 1st Big 3 win. You guys would kill for that now.

I would not trade that over these wins:
@FSU
@Auburn
@Notre Dame
@Clemson (bowl win at Charlotte)
Top 10 L'Ville and WVU teams
@Miami

 

[UCFProud]

Rizzbull1 - I never said we were the best team in Florida. In fact, it was USiF that made that claim years ago by way of a "Welcome to the big 4" billboard......

Wagers - I would trade your wins for finishing two seasons ranked in the top 25 (the latest a top 10 ranking), 4 conference championships, and a Fiesta Bowl win.

 

[UCFKnightATL]

Those wins are great, and I wish UCF had wins against other Florida teams. However, none of those victories are of substantial, lasting significance. A BCS championship is reservered only for the absolute best teams of that season, and are as a result, those teams are written in the history books and remembered by the national football community. The "well one time we beat this or that team" just doesn't carry the same weight. Not even close. Plenty of crap programs beat big time programs once in a while. Crap programs don't win BCS championships.

 

[wagers]

One could argue that 0-12 seasons also have the lasting effect. Things could stay really bad for a while. This year's recruiting is going to be very iffy, due to the late start. An influx of ready to play JUCO's is really needed if Frost can find them this late. O'Liar really left nothing.....could be a long while. This series could get to 2-8 before UCF gets it's sea legs again and is ready to compete.

 

[OmniKnight]

are you guys still doing the longhorns ripoff thing or did that finally die

 

[EngAlum98]

One could argue that 0-12 seasons also have the lasting effect. Things could stay really bad for a while. This year's recruiting is going to be very iffy, due to the late start. An influx of ready to play JUCO's is really needed if Frost can find them this late. O'Liar really left nothing.....could be a long while. This series could get to 2-8 before UCF gets it's sea legs again and is ready to compete.

I disagree with most of this. Recruiting just really opened up yesterday not to mention twitter is blowing up with major recruits indicating they want to check out UCF. There is a ton of talent on this team. They are just very young and were thrust into a starting role without knowing much of the playbook. Add in injuries and it was just a mess. The big question mark will be defensive coordinator. We should have never hired USF's fired DC.

But, with Holman in a spread offense, Jordan Akins back, valuable experience acquired at all positions, the offense could be very good next season. Defense will need time to adjust and gel together. I just hope it is with a new DC. But even with a slight improvement there, we may be able to beat everyone we play through offense alone.

 

[mikejones89]

Can't agree with this. An AAC team that dominates in and out of conference will make a big bowl and will have a shot at the playoff if stars align.

CFP is in its infancy. We are not on the outside looking in forever. AAC needs to continue fielding top quality teams and winning quality OOC. Memphis did good beating Olé Mississippi... Need more of those, especially over SEC.

Also, the bit about UCF's fiesta bowl win not carrying much weight is fallacy at best. All Florida State and Florida Gators fans I talk to still hold it in very high regard, and casual fans remember it quite well. You can't say things like "easiest BCS team" and retain any credibility.

Yes, an AAC team does have a chance if the stars align, but that is a stretch. Face it, we're in a terrible position and you know it.

There's a big difference between people remembering your BCS win, and it helping your program. You did land a nice 2014 class after the win, but USF still had a higher class ranking all while winning 2 games. USF had a higher ranked class in 2015, and is far and away better in 2016 class rankings.

Yea, I can without a doubt say Baylor was likely the easiest team you could've faced in that years BCS bowls. Out of Michigan State, Stanford, Clemson, Ohio State, Alabama and Oklahoma, Baylor is by the far the weakest link, even though they did beat Oklahoma earlier that season. They were still a good team though, so it isn't a knock on the win.

 

[emrober5]

Our BCS trophy didn't help us?!?!?!

Check out our new head coach's quote in this article:

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...ost-central-florida-head-coach-oregon-offense

Wait...You mean to tell me that your new coach decided to focus on a BCS bowl win, rather than the hilariously awful, safety on a kickoff, 0-12 team?

You don't say.

Doesn't change a thing. UCF is viewed as a joke right now. You suck until you don't.

 

[OmniKnight]

UCF is viewed as a joke right now.

that's not true

 

[Knight on 5th]

Bull terds are so predictable. Mike '89 and others spouting off now have been silent for the last two years. Where have you been hiding kids?

 

[Guinness_Knight]

1. I find it funny that we haven't seen USF posters in over 2 years over here. Where were all of these big talkers the past 2 seasons? I kind of missed them, so welcome back.

2. I guess I'm an optimist, but I don't see our turnaround taking very long. We recruited as well or better than normal the past 2 seasons. I just think this was a perfect shit storm of a season. If Frost recruits well this year, I think we'll be able to turn this around quicker than most feel.

**EDIT: LOL, Knight on 5th must have read my mind and posted 5 minutes before me.

 

[Square Knight]

I would not trade that over these wins:
@FSU
@Auburn
@Notre Dame
@Clemson (bowl win at Charlotte)
Top 10 L'Ville and WVU teams
@Miami

The fact that you wouldn't change positions proves you are a fool.

The FSU, Auburn, Notre Dame and Miami wins you crow about are no better than UCF's win over a bad Alabama team in 2000. Nobody (except delusional USF fans) remembers wins over name teams having bad years. People do remember post season wins. Especially BCS wins where the underdog mostly dominated the "power" team.

 

[Yung Knightt]

Your greatest feats in program history is apparently your recruiting (which hasn't produced anything substantive or special and is sub-par no matter how excited you guys get) and one game wins over other bcs teams on their down seasons?

 

[UCFProud]

Saying that we only beat the weakest of the BCS teams sounds like an admission that UCF has indeed accomplished more than USiF ever has. That weakest link conquest is still better than anything USiF has ever managed to pull off.

True, we had a dramatically awful year, one that surprised a good number of us. We have been put in this situation before and managed to stage an equally dramatic comeback and I wouldn't have missed that ride for anything. The fact remains that we can build on the success our program has achieved over the years instead of making weak claims of greatness like being ranked #2 for a week, beating a few P5 teams in some of their weakest years and a marginally better recruiting class.

We can take pride in our school's positive accomplishments while we endure down times. USiF on the other hand.... well let's just say that it's a good thing your other color is green, it matches your jealous nature.

 

[CBlackwellRN]

Yeah, the UCF win over Baylor was good, but that is all I can really give credit for. Also, the Georgia bowl win was nice. You guys are also still seeking your 1st Big 3 win. You guys would kill for that now.

I would not trade that over these wins:
@FSU
@Auburn
@Notre Dame
@Clemson (bowl win at Charlotte)
Top 10 L'Ville and WVU teams
@Miami

lol-- Okay. If that makes you feel better.

 

[CBlackwellRN]

Bull terds are so predictable. Mike '89 and others spouting off now have been silent for the last two years. Where have you been hiding kids?

So true! Crickets over the last two years and suddenly an 8-4 season brings the termites out of the woodwork! Love it!

 

[Knight_Light]

Yeah, the UCF win over Baylor was good, but that is all I can really give credit for. Also, the Georgia bowl win was nice. You guys are also still seeking your 1st Big 3 win. You guys would kill for that now.

I would not trade that over these wins:

Top 10 L'Ville

Yeah...been there, done that...gave UL their ONLY loss that season....and helped UCF win ANOTHER Conference Title (something USF has never ever done in their football history)

UCF and USF have now had 3 football seasons as conf members and the scoreboard reads:

Conf Games won: UCF 2, USF 1

Conference Championships Won: UCF 2, USF 0

Even when USF finally win a few games...their fan base is still almost non-existant:

2015 USF Actual Attendance (from Tampa Tribune)

USF vs FAMU 21,928
USF vs Memphis 14,305
USF vs Syracuse 18,039
USF vs SMU 15,157
USF vs Temple 18,470
USF vs Cincinnati 18,889

Average Actual: 17,798

NOTE: Thanks to some FAMU fans for pushing USF over the 20,000 mark for one game this year.

Also, more UCF students showed up to the season opener this year (over 18,000) than USF averaged for ALL fans this season.

Here's a photo taken yesterday as USF fans were depressed over the UCF hiring of Scott Frost...as this fan stands in front of USF's BCS & Conf Championship Trophy Case:

 

[firm_bizzle]

Yeah...been there, done that...gave UL their ONLY loss that season....and helped UCF win ANOTHER Conference Title (something USF has never ever done in their football history)

UCF and USF have now had 3 football seasons as conf members and the scoreboard reads:

Conf Games won: UCF 2, USF 1

Conference Championships Won: UCF 2, USF 0

Even when USF finally win a few games...their fan base is still almost non-existant:

2015 USF Actual Attendance (from Tampa Tribune)

USF vs FAMU 21,928
USF vs Memphis 14,305
USF vs Syracuse 18,039
USF vs SMU 15,157
USF vs Temple 18,470
USF vs Cincinnati 18,889

Average Actual: 17,798

NOTE: Thanks to some FAMU fans for pushing USF over the 20,000 mark for one game this year.

Also, more UCF students showed up to the season opener this year (over 18,000) than USF averaged for ALL fans this season.

Here's a photo taken yesterday as USF fans were depressed over the UCF hiring of Scott Frost...as this fan stands in front of USF's BCS & Conf Championship Trophy Case:

Post like these are why I can never stay mad at you for very long.

 

[swift996]

Some big time college football fans might remember that USF win over Aubrun but that has mostly gone away. I think the biggest sign to me is 3-5 years ago, people would say, "UCF, they have a pretty good team don't they? They were ranked really high right?" I always had to correct them that they could be thinking of USF. Last couple years, every person I talk to knows who UCF is, knows who Blake Bortles is, etc.

The biggest fact of the matter is USF has won nothing of importance. No team in America plays to win a single regular season game. USF is still the only FBS school in the state of Florida to never win a conference championship and that isn't going to get any easier for USF. While 0-12 is embarrassing for our program, I still think UCF has passed up USF and then some. You had an edge when we were in C-USA and you were in the Big East, but that has gone away. The American has 3 top 25 teams, finishing ranked is something USF isn't accustom to but it reflects a successful season.

 

[KnightMo]

Meh, talking smack after 0-12 is pretty pathetic. They waxed us this year. But then again, who didn't.

Agree, going defeated pretty much means ya gotta take your lumps and keep quiet until next season

 

[wagers]

While 0-12 is embarrassing for our program, I still think UCF has passed up USF and then some. You had an edge when we were in C-USA and you were in the Big East, but that has gone away.

Passed up USF? I think you had a couple of good years under Bortles, but none of the recruits think that UCF passed USF up. As a fan, I see that USF was ahead during the 4-0 years. UCF had the upper hand when they won 2 in a row (one on a late bomb that was very fortunate for you guys). Now USF won 44-3 and will be heavily favored next year. Spread will be 20+ points again. I think USF now has the upper hand...and not even close to what I saw on the field this past week. BTW...our players are freshman and sophs too (mostly).

 

[hemightbejeremy]

Yeah, the UCF win over Baylor was good, but that is all I can really give credit for. Also, the Georgia bowl win was nice. You guys are also still seeking your 1st Big 3 win. You guys would kill for that now.

I would not trade that over these wins:
@FSU
@Auburn
@Notre Dame
@Clemson (bowl win at Charlotte)
Top 10 L'Ville and WVU teams
@Miami

UCF doesn't have scheduled games against the "Big 3" so will have to settle for BCS or new years bowl type wins and conference championships.

 

[rc1]

1. I find it funny that we haven't seen USF posters in over 2 years over here. Where were all of these big talkers the past 2 seasons? I kind of missed them, so welcome back.

2. I guess I'm an optimist, but I don't see our turnaround taking very long. We recruited as well or better than normal the past 2 seasons. I just think this was a perfect shit storm of a season. If Frost recruits well this year, I think we'll be able to turn this around quicker than most feel.

**EDIT: LOL, Knight on 5th must have read my mind and posted 5 minutes before me.

I'll tell you where we were the last two years. we were reading how you were telling us how we sucked.

 

[Knightiac]

Passed up USF? I think you had a couple of good years under Bortles, but none of the recruits think that UCF passed USF up. As a fan, I see that USF was ahead during the 4-0 years. UCF had the upper hand when they won 2 in a row (one on a late bomb that was very fortunate for you guys). Now USF won 44-3 and will be heavily favored next year. Spread will be 20+ points again. I think USF now has the upper hand...and not even close to what I saw on the field this past week. BTW...our players are freshman and sophs too (mostly).

Overall program and overall team are two different things and you are failing to see that. Overall program takes fanbase into account, merchandising, TV markets, potential and the list goes on. UCF became level with USF three years ago and proceeded to go 2-1 immediately while winning two conference championships. UCF went 0-12 this year and I'm willing to bet our attendance if it wasn't better than USF's this year, it was still damn close. UCF has built a foundation and the leaders have shown they want to be the best, USF has hired three or four new coaches in the last six or so years and that does not look good for a program. USF really needs to get an on campus stadium/facilities and reap the rewards. Leadership has not shown the ability or desire to get that done yet. Things like money being poured into the program, UCF's new HC is getting $1.7m per year with a $2.3m assistant pool compared to Taggart's $1.2m and $1.9m assistant pool (that was just a quick search). Those things all add up pretty quickly.