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Venezuela Crisis

Colombia should be preparing for the inevitable collapse of the government and having a failed state on their border.

A failed state with some of the most violent people in the world.
 
Colombia should be preparing for the inevitable collapse of the government and having a failed state on their border.

A failed state with some of the most violent people in the world.
Im sure theyve been preparing for that for the last year.
 
Colombia will be alright; they've been militarized for the last half century and everybody knows they don't play around. Brazil should actually be more worried.
 
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Of course, in the event of a refugee "crisis," the U.S. will be more than willing to take on as much of the 18-32 year old female population as we can.

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Colombia will be alright; they've been militarized for the last half century and everybody knows they don't play around. Brazil should actually be more worried.
Yeah Colombia does a ton of joint exercises with the US. Military and currently has a great relationship with us. It's actually a great turnaround story the last 30+ years, even Medellin is a nice tech hub in present day

I wish that the U.S. relationship would improve with Brazil. I hate seeing them aligned with Russia, China economically with B.R.I.C.S.
 
Yeah Colombia does a ton of joint exercises with the US. Military and currently has a great relationship with us. It's actually a great turnaround story the last 30+ years, even Medellin is a nice tech hub in present day
Thank you Poolside. Colombia is a great example of how if people really love their country, they'll stay and fight for it instead of swarming over to the U.S. and slowly turning it into the craphole that you just left.
 
Thank you Poolside. Colombia is a great example of how if people really love their country, they'll stay and fight for it instead of swarming over to the U.S. and slowly turning it into the craphole that you just left.

That's easy to say behind a keyboard. Tell that to the largely unarmed protesters being gunned down by the Venezuela police for protesting Maduro's rule. Or the Syrian's who "stayed to fight" with small arms that are being completely decimated by Syrian and Russian air support.

Sorry but some battle's, especially from broken state's, are just unwinnable, especially for normal citizens in today's world of advanced weaponry.

Just be grateful you grew up in the U.S where systematic corruption didn't plague your entire economic and political life.

And what happened in Colombia didn't happen overnight. It's not as simple as you put it. It took decades and largely is due to the fact that Mexico took over the brunt share of the drug business from Colombia. The violence went down because the Cartels were hunted to extinction with U.S help and because they paid the Mexican middle men in cocaine who overtime just bumped them off and took over the drug empires. Now Mexico is having the problems, not Colombia.
 
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That's easy to say behind a keyboard. Tell that to the largely unarmed protesters being gunned down by the Venezuela police for protesting Maduro's rule. Or the Syrian's who "stayed to fight" with small arms that are being completely decimated by Syrian and Russian air support.

Sorry but some battle's, especially from broken state's, are just unwinnable, especially for normal citizens in today's world of advanced weaponry.

Just be grateful you grew up in the U.S where systematic corruption didn't plague your entire economic and political life.
Isn't socialism great!
 
That's easy to say behind a keyboard. Tell that to the largely unarmed protesters being gunned down by the Venezuela police for protesting Maduro's rule. Or the Syrian's who "stayed to fight" with small arms that are being completely decimated by Syrian and Russian air support.

Sorry but some battle's, especially from broken state's, are just unwinnable, especially for normal citizens in today's world of advanced weaponry.

Just be grateful you grew up in the U.S where systematic corruption didn't plague your entire economic and political life.

And what happened in Colombia didn't happen overnight. It's not as simple as you put it. It took decades and largely is due to the fact that Mexico took over the brunt share of the drug business from Colombia. The violence went down because the Cartels were hunted to extinction with U.S help and because they paid the Mexican middle men in cocaine who overtime just bumped them off and took over the drug empires. Now Mexico is having the problems, not Colombia.

You're right that it took Colombia decades of resolve to dig themselves out of that hole they were in, but with Mexico they aren't even trying. They love boasting about defeating the French during the Battle of Puebla but can't even crush the cartels? The Mexican government knows where every cartel member lives, why not just wipe them out in one fell swoop?

There's also people fleeing violence in Central America. Last time I checked, MS-13 didn't have "air support" or "advanced weaponry." Your comment that "some battles, especially from broken state's, are just unwinnable" is a defeatist attitude if I ever heard one.

And going back to Mexico, you actually proved my exact point. Colombia didn’t have a ready-made blueprint for eradicating the narcotraffickers handed to them. They fought and continue to fight to keep their country free of the type of violence that plagued it during Pablo Escobar’s rule. However, in the case of Mexico they have the Colombia blueprint ready to go. There’s really no excuse for their apathy.
 
You're right that it took Colombia decades of resolve to dig themselves out of that hole they were in, but with Mexico they aren't even trying. They love boasting about defeating the French during the Battle of Puebla but can't even crush the cartels? The Mexican government knows where every cartel member lives, why not just wipe them out in one fell swoop?

There's also people fleeing violence in Central America. Last time I checked, MS-13 didn't have "air support" or "advanced weaponry." Your comment that "some battles, especially from broken state's, are just unwinnable" is a defeatist attitude if I ever heard one.

And going back to Mexico, you actually proved my exact point. Colombia didn’t have a ready-made blueprint for eradicating the narcotraffickers handed to them. They fought and continue to fight to keep their country free of the type of violence that plagued it during Pablo Escobar’s rule. However, in the case of Mexico they have the Colombia blueprint ready to go. There’s really no excuse for their apathy.
Don't forget in Colombia we were fighting the rebels (3+ groups of guerrilla) at the same time.
On the other hand, fighting against a dictatorship that has the support of the army is different. People usually don't have the level of weaponry to win that fight unless some troops flip
 
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You're right that it took Colombia decades of resolve to dig themselves out of that hole they were in, but with Mexico they aren't even trying. They love boasting about defeating the French during the Battle of Puebla but can't even crush the cartels? The Mexican government knows where every cartel member lives, why not just wipe them out in one fell swoop?

There's also people fleeing violence in Central America. Last time I checked, MS-13 didn't have "air support" or "advanced weaponry." Your comment that "some battles, especially from broken state's, are just unwinnable" is a defeatist attitude if I ever heard one.

And going back to Mexico, you actually proved my exact point. Colombia didn’t have a ready-made blueprint for eradicating the narcotraffickers handed to them. They fought and continue to fight to keep their country free of the type of violence that plagued it during Pablo Escobar’s rule. However, in the case of Mexico they have the Colombia blueprint ready to go. There’s really no excuse for their apathy.

Lol. You keep bringing up Colombia as if they are their own success story. They were successful in eradicating the cartels because the U.S did all the heavy lifting after intense political pressure from the U.S government to allow our forces to get involved. The DEA and CIA went in there and kicked ass through covert warfare and the deliberate chemical eradication of the jungles being used by the narcos for cover. Pablo Escobar was killed because of good U.S. Intel work not because Colombians stood and fought. Our intense focus on Colombia along with a growing payment of drugs to Mexican middle men helped Mexico get its start. But the drug war has changed.

Another reason "the Colombia blueprint" won't work in Mexico is because we aren't fighting cocaine being grown in jungles anymore. Opioids, meth, heroin, fentanyl, etc. which are the big players now derive from poppy or are completely synthetic by design and don't need the cover of jungles. You add in the increases in technology and the fact that Mexico is massive compared to Colombia and it's easy to see that the battles are completely different. What we did in Colombia won't just work in Mexico. Nothing is as easy as it seems in International politics.
 
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In a sham vote over the weekend, they re-elected maduro. the crisis will only continue to get worse
 
Lol. You keep bringing up Colombia as if they are their own success story. They were successful in eradicating the cartels because the U.S did all the heavy lifting after intense political pressure from the U.S government to allow our forces to get involved. The DEA and CIA went in there and kicked ass through covert warfare and the deliberate chemical eradication of the jungles being used by the narcos for cover. Pablo Escobar was killed because of good U.S. Intel work not because Colombians stood and fought. Our intense focus on Colombia along with a growing payment of drugs to Mexican middle men helped Mexico get its start. But the drug war has changed.

Another reason "the Colombia blueprint" won't work in Mexico is because we aren't fighting cocaine being grown in jungles anymore. Opioids, meth, heroin, fentanyl, etc. which are the big players now derive from poppy or are completely synthetic by design and don't need the cover of jungles. You add in the increases in technology and the fact that Mexico is massive compared to Colombia and it's easy to see that the battles are completely different. What we did in Colombia won't just work in Mexico. Nothing is as easy as it seems in International politics.

Your comment about Colombians not standing and fighting is asinine and totally ignorant. Escobar absolutely slaughtered thousands of Colombian soldiers and police who dared to stand up to him, fight him, and work with the US to stop him. The cartels in Colombia ONLY fell because they was a lasting military presence that was willing to fight them and stop them; not because of the DEA and CIA intel alone. All told, between all of the cartels, it's estimated that 3,000 - 3,500 Colombian police and military were killed fighting.

That comment is unbelievably insane.
 
Your comment about Colombians not standing and fighting is asinine and totally ignorant. Escobar absolutely slaughtered thousands of Colombian soldiers and police who dared to stand up to him, fight him, and work with the US to stop him. The cartels in Colombia ONLY fell because they was a lasting military presence that was willing to fight them and stop them; not because of the DEA and CIA intel alone. All told, between all of the cartels, it's estimated that 3,000 - 3,500 Colombian police and military were killed fighting.

That comment is unbelievably insane.

Where did this even come from. I’m not getting into this on a post that a year old.
 
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It was bumped today by Wayne.

It may have been asinine, I may have thought it was common knowledge, or I wasn’t thinking about it. I’m not going to bother re-reading the discussion to figure out what was said or what I was thinking. Soooooooo...yeah
 
That's how democratic socialism works.

That is not how democratic socialism works.

Democratic Socialism is more of an economic train of thought, while what Maduro is doing is being a dictator. They are not correlated.
 
That is not how democratic socialism works.

Democratic Socialism is more of an economic train of thought, while what Maduro is doing is being a dictator. They are not correlated.
so is venezuela not a democratic socialist country? does venezuela not control all the means of production?
 
so is venezuela not a democratic socialist country? does venezuela not control all the means of production?

I am not arguing that.

However - the sham election has nothing to do with Democratic Socialism.
 
I am not arguing that.

However - the sham election has nothing to do with Democratic Socialism.

Not in theory, but in practice it's undeniable that giving the government that much power pretty easily can lead to a dictator.
 
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Not in theory, but in practice it's undeniable that giving the government that much power pretty easily can lead to a dictator.
The issue is that there appears to be significant percentage of "democratic" socialist countries that have become dictatorial not in theory, but in actuality. With tragic consequence. Enough so that it is a path any society should not simply jump into on emotion.
 
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The entirety of the civilized world is democratic socialist. Using Venezuela for your example is assheaded. Why don't you use all of Europe, Scandinavia, Canada, Australia, or Japan?

Venezuela isn't socialist. Venezuela is a dictatorship.
 
The issue is that there appears to be significant percentage of "democratic" socialist countries that have become dictatorial not in theory, but in actuality. With tragic consequence. Enough so that it is a path any society should not simply jump into on emotion.

Even if it isn't a significant percentage, the worst case scenarios that we have seen come to fruition should show that the risk/reward of doing so isn't worth it. Even if 9 out of 10 times it works fine, the 1 time it leads to 10s of millions of people being exterminated should be a pretty big deterrent
 
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Democratic Socialism is code amongst Bernie Bros for “white people socialism”. They don’t ever want to mention brown people socialism

There’s a reason they almost always reference white homogenous Scandinavian countries as their wet dream.
 
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The entirety of the civilized world is democratic socialist. Using Venezuela for your example is assheaded. Why don't you use all of Europe, Scandinavia, Canada, Australia, or Japan?

Venezuela isn't socialist. Venezuela is a dictatorship.

Thanks to democratic socialism it is.


Name all of the representative republics that have devolved into a dictatorship.
 
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