Venezuela Crisis

[Crazyhole]

So providing healthcare to everyone won't work because we don't view all ethnicities as equal in America?

So what would happen? White people would be mad that brown people could go to the doctor? I'm trying to figure out what the issue is here.

From an economic model, the issue with healthcare in the US is the fact that we lead the world in research and development thanks to a combination of free market principles and fascistic political modeling. Money is, and always will be, the ultimate driving force in progress but the socialist model deletes that motivation. There is no racial component to the healthcare issue. There is, however a cultural and societal component to other aspects of socialism.


We've been told that things like having a police force is a form of socialism. Is there a level of racial inequality that comes with that form of socialism?

 

[UCFWayne]

it would be interesting to see if denmark could afford all of those social programs if they actually had to spend money on a defense budget.

 

[fried-chicken]

From an economic model, the issue with healthcare in the US is the fact that we lead the world in research and development thanks to a combination of free market principles and fascistic political modeling. Money is, and always will be, the ultimate driving force in progress but the socialist model deletes that motivation. There is no racial component to the healthcare issue. There is, however a cultural and societal component to other aspects of socialism.


We've been told that things like having a police force is a form of socialism. Is there a level of racial inequality that comes with that form of socialism?

Do you know where most new drugs are created?

 

[fried-chicken]

Allow me to educate you. @Crazyhole

Nearly 100% of drug research is funded by the government, either state or federal.

Then there's the testing phases which are carried out primarily by research universities.

Once a company knows a drug can make them money they are given (mostly for FREE) the research and they help the drug get approved and distributed.

Capitalism is nothing to our drug development process other than when a company knows a drug can work and make them money they profit off of the government spending that created the drug.

Research and development of drugs is too expensive and too risky for companies to internalize. So they rely on... wait for it... socialized research.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK50972/

 

[Crazyhole]

Do you know where most new drugs are created?

Yes. 57% of all new drugs created come from US laboratories, although the companies headquarters are often located overseas like Roche and AstraZeneca.

 

[fried-chicken]

Yes. 57% of all new drugs created come from US laboratories, although the companies headquarters are often located overseas like Roche and AstraZeneca.

No no no, I know they come from here. But you misunderstand who funds the research. Read the link I shared and you'll better understand how little of a role "capitalism" plays in innovation in this field.

 

[DaShuckster]

There is no racial component to the healthcare issue.

The statistics in areas like maternal morality in the U.S. would dispute that assertion.

My wife is involved in a United Methodist Women initiative to reduce maternal mortality in the United States. One of many troubling statistics that their organization reports is that pregnant Black women have nearly triple the mortality rate of white pregnant women.

An OT point that I found equally disturbing from their report is that the United States has the worst maternal mortality rate of any developed country--and that disparity is rising.

It would appear our State governments care more about the unborn than they do about the health of their living, breathing mothers-to-be.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Remember, Democrats want white people socialism, not brown people socialism. They are racists who frequently reference near homogenous small, white populaces as gleaning examples of socialism while insisting that brown people socialism isn't their socialism.

lol how pathetic that #DNC2019 is forced to defend Maduro since he's a fellow socialist homeboy.

 

[Crazyhole]

The statistics in areas like maternal morality in the U.S. would dispute that assertion.

My wife is involved in a United Methodist Women initiative to reduce maternal mortality in the United States. One of many troubling statistics that their organization reports is that pregnant Black women have nearly triple the mortality rate of white pregnant women.

An OT point that I found equally disturbing from their report is that the United States has the worst maternal mortality rate of any developed country--and that disparity is rising.

It would appear our State governments care more about the unborn than they do about the health of their living, breathing mothers-to-be.

I have a really hard time believing that the US has a higher birth mortality rate for mothers than all other developed countries. There must be some form of bias involved to reach this conclusion. Have any of us here personally known a woman that died giving birth over the last 40 years? If so, what were the circumstances that led to the death and if so, what would have prevented it?

 

[Crazyhole]

Remember, Democrats want white people socialism, not brown people socialism. They are racists who frequently reference near homogenous small, white populaces as gleaning examples of socialism while insisting that brown people socialism isn't their socialism.

lol how pathetic that #DNC2019 is forced to defend Maduro since he's a fellow socialist homeboy.

This is an interesting point. The fact that liberals only have favorable points about socialism that comes from white populations is actually a form of racism in itself.

 

[fried-chicken]

This is an interesting point. The fact that liberals only have favorable points about socialism that comes from white populations is actually a form of racism in itself.

This was already covered in this thread.
We don't actually want socialism as an economic system. Pure socialism doesn't exist in the 1st world. There are plenty of countries who are capitalistic and have strong social safety nets. That's the model where people are happiest and that's what we want to strive for.

It's you clowns who are always spouting off calling Canada and similar countries socialists we've just adopted your stupid terminology.

 

[Poolside Knight]

my Marco Rubio posts earlier ITT getting proven right, no longer ‘behind he scenes’. He is very predictable

 

[Crazyhole]

I have a really hard time believing that the US has a higher birth mortality rate for mothers than all other developed countries. There must be some form of bias involved to reach this conclusion. Have any of us here personally known a woman that died giving birth over the last 40 years? If so, what were the circumstances that led to the death and if so, what would have prevented it?

I looked this up. According to the WHO, the rate of maternal deaths ranges from 1360 per 100,000 to 3 per 100,000. The US has as rate of 14 per 100,000. We are talking about 11 fewer deaths per year which would make us #1 compared to 1346 more deaths that would make us the worst. The median is 678 deaths, which means we are 98% more effective at preventing maternal deaths than the world average.

 

[fried-chicken]

I looked this up. According to the WHO, the rate of maternal deaths ranges from 1360 per 100,000 to 3 per 100,000. The US has as rate of 14 per 100,000. We are talking about 11 fewer deaths per year which would make us #1 compared to 1346 more deaths that would make us the worst. The median is 678 deaths, which means we are 98% more effective at preventing maternal deaths than the world average.

Math harder please

 

[fried-chicken]

11 deaths per 100k means 440 more deaths not 11.

Also the median is not 600 that would be if you averaged the best and worst only.

The 10th worst country is 69 so there are some clear outliers.

Basically everyone should disregard your post all together because it's a dumpster fire.

 

[Crazyhole]

This was already covered in this thread.
We don't actually want socialism as an economic system. Pure socialism doesn't exist in the 1st world. There are plenty of countries who are capitalistic and have strong social safety nets. That's the model where people are happiest and that's what we want to strive for.

It's you clowns who are always spouting off calling Canada and similar countries socialists we've just adopted your stupid terminology.

Not surprisingly, you again only present the most favorable aspect of your position. You reference the term socialism and claim that Canada and the Scandinavian countries are not socialist nations but they are among the top 10% of countries in the happiness index, along with the US. Conversely, the vast majority of socialist countries are in the bottom 50% in that same metric. At the same time, you embrace self identified socialists that run for public office. So what is the disconnect?

 

[fried-chicken]

Not surprisingly, you again only present the most favorable aspect of your position. You reference the term socialism and claim that Canada and the Scandinavian countries are not socialist nations but they are among the top 10% of countries in the happiness index, along with the US. Conversely, the vast majority of socialist countries are in the bottom 50% in that same metric. At the same time, you embrace self identified socialists that run for public office. So what is the disconnect?

But we're All in agreement that no one is campaigning on the state controlling the means of production so why are you choosing to play dumb?

 

[Crazyhole]

11 deaths per 100k means 440 more deaths not 11.

Also the median is not 600 that would be if you averaged the best and worst only.

The 10th worst country is 69 so there are some clear outliers.

Basically everyone should disregard your post all together because it's a dumpster fire.

Not sure if you are being intellectually dishonest or just ignorant. The fact of the matter is that the median is just south of 700 deaths per 100,000 and we have 14 per 100,000. The claim was made that we are the very worst in the developed world regarding maternal deaths but there is no context with that claim. When looking at thr actual numbers, being within 1% of the best country relative to the worst gives a much different story.

 

[Crazyhole]

But we're All in agreement that no one is campaigning on the state controlling the means of production so why are you choosing to play dumb?

This is the most ironic part of your position. You and your favorite politicians aren't advocating the takeover of production or services, you are advocating for the takeover of payment for goods and services, which is by definition Fascism.

 

[Crazyhole]

The statistics in areas like maternal morality in the U.S. would dispute that assertion.

My wife is involved in a United Methodist Women initiative to reduce maternal mortality in the United States. One of many troubling statistics that their organization reports is that pregnant Black women have nearly triple the mortality rate of white pregnant women.

An OT point that I found equally disturbing from their report is that the United States has the worst maternal mortality rate of any developed country--and that disparity is rising.

It would appear our State governments care more about the unborn than they do about the health of their living, breathing mothers-to-be.

An interesting but important point: according to Kaiser Permanente, the increase in maternal deaths among women of color closely mirrors the rate among deaths that occur after unintended pregnancies. The maternal death rate includes deaths that occur up to 12 months after childbirth and 25% of those deaths are related to cardiovascular diseases or cardiomyopathy which are unrelated to pregnancy.

 

[UCFWayne]

An interesting but important point: according to Kaiser Permanente, the increase in maternal deaths among women of color closely mirrors the rate among deaths that occur after unintended pregnancies. The maternal death rate includes deaths that occur up to 12 months after childbirth and 25% of those deaths are related to cardiovascular diseases or cardiomyopathy which are unrelated to pregnancy.

you are such a racist*

 

[fried-chicken]

Not sure if you are being intellectually dishonest or just ignorant. The fact of the matter is that the median is just south of 700 deaths per 100,000 and we have 14 per 100,000. The claim was made that we are the very worst in the developed world regarding maternal deaths but there is no context with that claim. When looking at thr actual numbers, being within 1% of the best country relative to the worst gives a much different story.

You don't understand how mathematical medians work I think.

 

[fried-chicken]

This is the most ironic part of your position. You and your favorite politicians aren't advocating the takeover of production or services, you are advocating for the takeover of payment for goods and services, which is by definition Fascism.

It's called taxes not fascism. You're being a bit dramatic.

 

[fried-chicken]

So back to the median thing. If you have 500 data points you take the one data point in the middle, that's the median.

In this case since the 10th worst is 69 I would assume the median is probably somewhere around 15 or 20.

You for sure don't do what you did which is average the lowest and highest. That means nothing. To say that we are 98% more efficient than the average shows a pretty insane lack of understand of basic high school level statistics. I'm as embarassed for you about this as I was for me about being fooled by Jussie Smollett.

If you want to work with averages you can add all the numbers and divide by the number of samples.

 

[Crazyhole]

"Undeveloped" countries with higher maternity death rates than the US:


Russia
Costa Rica
Lebanon
Turkey
Thailand
Chile
Every eastern european nation
Egypt
Mexico
Cuba
Brazil
VENEZUALA

 

[Crazyhole]

So back to the median thing. If you have 500 data points you take the one data point in the middle, that's the median.

In this case since the 10th worst is 69 I would assume the median is probably somewhere around 15 or 20.

You for sure don't do what you did which is average the lowest and highest. That means nothing. To say that we are 98% more efficient than the average shows a pretty insane lack of understand of basic high school level statistics. I'm as embarassed for you about this as I was for me about being fooled by Jussie Smollett.

If you want to work with averages you can add all the numbers and divide by the number of samples.

You are confusing mean with median.

 

[Crazyhole]

Global average is 84 per 100,000.

 

[fried-chicken]

Global average is 84 per 100,000.

So basically even with 1 country at 1300 the global average isn't even skewed over 100 including the poorest of the poor African nations yet you claimed the median was 600.

And you're the one confusing the two. Google mathematical median please for the love of God.

 

[Crazyhole]

More importantly, there is less than .0015 chance in the united states of a woman dying within 12 months of giving birth, of which 26% of those deaths are directly related to diet and lifestyle. The disparity in deaths on the basis of race is consistent with the rest of the world. Less than 10% of maternal deaths in the US are directly connected to complications from childbearing and over half are directly related to complications arising from abortion. That means that there is a .000075 chance of dying from live birth

 

[UCFKnight85]

This was already covered in this thread.
We don't actually want socialism as an economic system. Pure socialism doesn't exist in the 1st world. There are plenty of countries who are capitalistic and have strong social safety nets. That's the model where people are happiest and that's what we want to strive for.

It's you clowns who are always spouting off calling Canada and similar countries socialists we've just adopted your stupid terminology.

This is just a cover for "yes, we want white people socialism". You don't even reference countries like the UK or France that have "extensive security nets", mostly because these are also deeply flawed economies and systems that (gasp!) have a lot of brown people living there.

No, you guys ALWAYS go straight to the Nordic regions to tell us how awesome "democratic Socialism" could be. Yep, the places with very few people, tons of natural resources, and where they're all white.

Destroying 1/5 of our economy to nationalize an industry is not "a safety net". Destroying entire industries at the altar of a "Green New Deal" is not "a safety net". Taxing people and corporations are 70-90% at the top marginal rate is not "a safety net". It's socialism. Shit that's already been tried and has failed.

Sorry if it huts being reminded that your beloved strategies have already been tried, and failed, in Latin and South American but it's the reality. It's why you keep telling us that brown people socialism isn't YOUR socialism - just look at those awesome white people in Scandinavia!

 

[fried-chicken]

This is just a cover for "yes, we want white people socialism". You don't even reference countries like the UK or France that have "extensive security nets", mostly because these are also deeply flawed economies and systems that (gasp!) have a lot of brown people living there.

No, you guys ALWAYS go straight to the Nordic regions to tell us how awesome "democratic Socialism" could be. Yep, the places with very few people, tons of natural resources, and where they're all white.

Destroying 1/5 of our economy to nationalize an industry is not "a safety net". Destroying entire industries at the altar of a "Green New Deal" is not "a safety net". Taxing people and corporations are 70-90% at the top marginal rate is not "a safety net". It's socialism. Shit that's already been tried and has failed.

Sorry if it huts being reminded that your beloved strategies have already been tried, and failed, in Latin and South American but it's the reality. It's why you keep telling us that brown people socialism isn't YOUR socialism - just look at those awesome white people in Scandinavia!

You've got a mental illness.

 

[UCFBS]

US intervention would play right into their arguments.

Agreed.

It's really more of the Hispanic Republicans, traditionally Cuban and similar who grew up in the oppressive regimes, pushing for intervention. I fear Trump listening to them too much. But I'm a non-interference Libertarian.

The only way I see the US going is if the OAS calls for 'peacekeepers.' And the OAS is far, far less willing than, say, the UN to do so.

 

[UCFBS]

No, you guys ALWAYS go straight to the Nordic regions to tell us how awesome "democratic Socialism" could be. Yep, the places with very few people, tons of natural resources, and where they're all white.

Even Nordic socialists think the US (and UK) style of socialism is nuts. We utterly do it wrong.

 

[UCFBS]

From an economic model, the issue with healthcare in the US is the fact that we lead the world in research and development thanks to a combination of free market principles and fascistic political modeling. Money is, and always will be, the ultimate driving force in progress but the socialist model deletes that motivation. There is no racial component to the healthcare issue. There is, however a cultural and societal component to other aspects of socialism.

The US also is one of the few nations that respects patents on medicines, so the US bears the burden of costs associated with that. If other countries respected patents on medicines, the costs would be more distributed.

 

[Poolside Knight]

some Coup Salsa

 

[Poolside Knight]

Agreed.

It's really more of the Hispanic Republicans, traditionally Cuban and similar who grew up in the oppressive regimes, pushing for intervention. I fear Trump listening to them too much. But I'm a non-interference Libertarian.

The only way I see the US going is if the OAS calls for 'peacekeepers.' And the OAS is far, far less willing than, say, the UN to do so.

Marco Rubio is already starting to plant the Cuba intervention seed and Venezuela is not even settled yet. Agree with you that Trump needs to stop listening to him with how far he will push it.

 

[UCFKnight85]

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Marco Rubio is already starting to plant the Cuba intervention seed and Venezuela is not even settled yet. Agree with you that Trump needs to stop listening to him with how far he will push it.

Rubio taunts a shitty Castro lap dog stooge for insisting that getting aid to needy people is a "sinister plan" , and yet you find fault with Rubio and not the shitty Castro stooge.

Your hard on for Rubio is reaching historic levels. Or do you just have a soft spot for dictators and despots that starve and imprison their people in Latin America ?

 

[Crazyhole]

It's called taxes not fascism. You're being a bit dramatic.

No, its fascism. The government uses its authority to protect big businesses who in turn enrich those politicians.

 

[Poolside Knight]

Rubio taunts a shitty Castro lap dog stooge for insisting that getting aid to needy people is a "sinister plan" , and yet you find fault with Rubio and not the shitty Castro stooge.

Your hard on for Rubio is reaching historic levels. Or do you just have a soft spot for dictators and despots that starve and imprison their people in Latin America ?

You've got a mental illness.

Quit being so dramatic and if you have read this thread it is known where I stand. You do the same thing in every thread with false accusations if someone doesn’t agree 100% with someone’s agenda. Grow up

 

[UCFKnight85]

Quit being so dramatic and if you have read this thread it is known where I stand. You do the same thing in every thread with false accusations if someone doesn’t agree 100% with someone’s agenda. Grow up

What false accusations? I am literally responding to the tweet you posted. You have a long history here of posting stuff that is needlessly whiny and critical of Rubio