https://news.yahoo.com/venezuelans-swarm-sewage-drains-desperate-120558057.html
Venezuelans swarm sewage drains in desperate search of water
damn thats sad
Venezuelans swarm sewage drains in desperate search of water
damn thats sad
Venezuela Crisis
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It was only a matter of time before they started pinning everything on Guaido and the opposition and start making faux cases to jail them.
Great blueprint of socialism. Ran out of other people's money.
Thats not what this is. This is an example of how democratic socialism gives all power to a ruling class, and in the case of Venezuala, the ruling class has single handedly taken all of the profits that originate from their natural resources. Oil is still being pumped and sold, but only the economic elites and the political class are getting any of the profits. Meanwhile, the workers are drinking sewer water and eating stray cats. Same song, different verse.
Whew, thank goodness this business of rigging the system to favor the economic elites only happens in socialist countries!!!
Aw, is this where you attempt to equate meanie US corporations to the state owned slush fund companies in VZ?
Greed is a human condition that exists regardless of borders or politics. Its impact can be felt with the have-nots drinking sewer water or going bankrupt in order to purchase a life-saving drug.
Last I checked, there aren't a lot of capitalist countries out there where people are drinking sewage.
It happens in inverse. Shitty communist or socialist country devolves to people drinking sewage water or trying to eat dirt due to lack of food. Reforms are eventually adopted towards a market based economy, things improve, and people are no longer seeking out sewer water or eating dirt.
You mean like the United States?
Tell that to the lead-contaminated residents of Flint, Michigan.
What a terrible comparison. You're really going to bat for these shithole socialist countries here.
Hmm, wonder why?
In hindsight, you're absolutely right. The Venezuelans are drinking sh*t water out of desperation. The people of Flint were duped into drinking sh*t water by their Governor.
People drinking contaminated water from 60+ year old pipes is a little bit different than people getting into the sewer to stave off dehydration. One was a mistake, the other is better described as genocide.
You may want to look into that a little bit closer. It was the mayor who was duping people. Snyder isnt the reason they switched from Lake Huron to the Flint river, but to his credit he provided relief to the residents once the situation was understood. Meanwhile, the Mayor is going on tv drinking water saying "nothing to see here"
An accurate description of the situation that developed with the drinking water in Flint is closer to being considered 'genocide' than it was to being considered 'a mistake.'
This guy really thinks that a localized problem like the Flint water crisis is the same thing as an entire nation being reduced to drinking their own piss and sewage water since the national government has led the country into ruin.
Actually, I'm just addressing the 'pat ourselves on the back' because we are a Capitalist non-sh*thole country.
Horribly bad leaders can royally screw things up any place and in any form of government.
Horribly bad leaders can royally screw things up any place and in any form of government.
So would you say that the man who spearheaded the switch to the Flint River would be considered more fiscally conservative or more fiscally liberal? The man who stood in front of tv cameras and told people to keep drinking the water even after concerns had been raised.
This is true. And the more power you give them, the worse it can get. (Ahem) socialism.
As I recall, Governor Snyder appointed "the emergency manager" who ended the city's original water agreement with Detroit (to save millions of dollars) by taking water from the Flint River instead.
This would never have happened to a wealthy or middle-class community, but if it did, heads would have rolled once the lead poisoning was discovered. In the case of Flint, as you pointed out, people were told to keep drinking the water. This sure sounds to me like the kind of leadership you'd expect from a sh*thole third world socialist country.
there are several other countries in Latin America with market based economies that have rolling blackouts and water outages almost every day
This. The free market countries in central america are developing nations. Venezuala was at one time a top 10 economic country and now the people have to drink
water. There is nothing that anyone can point to in Venezuala to explain their situation other than the result of corrupt socialism.
Partly true. He was appointed as an emergency manager because Flint was near bankruptcy. Its unclear whether he played a role in changing over the cities water service but it would have just been in an economic advisory role. I know the county played a direct role in it, and when given the opportunity to switch back over to the old service, the mayor declined even though the reports were starting to come in about the contamination. I know people want to throw blame around about that deal but I don't think anybody had nefarious intent. It was just a crappy situation that nobody could have foreseen.
https://www.usatoday.com/picture-ga...ghting-coup-attempt-amid-uprising/3627649002/
Venezuela fighting 'coup' as opposition calls for uprising
its only getting worse down there. you can vote a country into socialism, but have to shoot your way out of it.
Venezuela fighting 'coup' as opposition calls for uprising
its only getting worse down there. you can vote a country into socialism, but have to shoot your way out of it.
Will be curious to see how much of the military really defected.
This. The free market countries in central america are developing nations. Venezuala was at one time a top 10 economic country and now the people have to drink
If you have any actual understanding of the situation in Venezuela then you have to know the bolded statement is complete nonsense. It is a complicated situation for sure, but if you leave out the fact the multinational oil companies were basically taking their oil without the people of Venezuela being able to profit from their own resources, then you are leaving out the what is basically the biggest reason that caused the entire situation.
B-B-But wait a sec...that would mean the real culprit was unfettered capitalism!!!
no, your original response was just plain stupid. the problems theyve been facing the past few years are direct results of them going full blown socialism.
but you keep your fingers in your ears and sing lalalalala while they kill zoo animals for meat and drink sewer water to survive because you dont want to admit socialism doesnt work.
B-B-But wait a sec...that would mean the real culprit was unfettered capitalism!!!
But saying that instead of actually doing even the most basic research on the situation isn't as easy as muttering "socialism" over and over liked a trained parrot.
No it isn't and your take is extremely simplistic. Quit being such a simple person and maybe actually do the slightest bit of research on the situation.
yea you are right, i havent been following this situation at all until recently. this thread was definitely not started 2 years ago, it was 2 weeks ago. i wouldnt use wikipedia or anything to see what type of gov theyve run in venezuela. i wouldnt google direct quotes from bernie sanders praising their acceptance of socialism. nope none of that is true. yup, you are right, i have an overly simplistic understanding of the failures of capitalism in venezuela.
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yea you are right, i havent been following this situation at all until recently. this thread was definitely not started 2 years ago, it was 2 weeks ago. i wouldnt use wikipedia or anything to see what type of gov theyve run in venezuela. i wouldnt google direct quotes from bernie sanders praising their acceptance of socialism. nope none of that is true. yup, you are right, i have an overly simplistic understanding of the failures of capitalism in venezuela.
I don't know how much you have been following it, but if you think that socialism is the primary reason behind this whole thing then you are either using terrible sources, or you are using good sources that you aren't comprehending. Honestly, there could be entire college courses on this situation, so to break it down into "socialism is bad" as the entire argument is both lazy and completely ill informed. You surely have to know the world is more complex than simple sound bites don't ya?
dont let facts get in the way of your terrible argument. clearly they dont matter to you. socialism sounds like a great gov structure but always leads to failure as weve seen in venezuela. sure other factors helped like the falling price of oil but the real problem is socialism. at some point you always run out of other peoples money. you act like you know more but fail to even address the biggest culprit because youve been told the wonders of socialism and fell for it.
You haven't laid out any facts. Socialism works just fine in many places, and in some other places it doesn't, and there are various reasons behind that. The world is complex so breaking it down to social is bad and capitalism is good, is simply naïve and lazy. But again, Venezuela isn't just about socialism. It is about global capitalism as well. Plus, the US has sanctioned Venezuela numerous times has hurt their economy. But I know I know. Just repeating "socialism" over and over is easier than talking about the numerous factors in this situation.
The VZ Socialist Government controls every single industry and means of production in the country, and yet here you are attempting to blame meanie companies from capitalist countries for what's going on down there. Are you being serious right now?
The country is failing because a authoritarian socialist government, which controls every mechanism of industry and commerce in the country, eventually could not centrally plan an economy and actively worked against market forces which eventually led to a country with as much oil as Saudi Arabia somehow going dark from blackouts.
This all stems from Chavez's socialist revolution and enduring socialist policy. To claim otherwise is pretty hilarious.
Again, this super simplistic. If you don't think sanctions hurt an economy, I don't know what to tell you. And as far as the oil industry, it was basically deciding between nationalizing and keeping the profits in Venezuela, or not nationalizing and having the profits go to shareholders in America and Europe (and yes, that is also way over simplified, but many of you don't acknowledge that aspect of it at all). Nobody is saying Venezuela has handled it perfectly, but to dismiss the other factors and to be nothing more than the parrot squawking "socialism bad, socialism bad" is simply ignorance.
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